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nothing wrong with digressing :) How about having the VP as the ‘Head of Government’? :rolleyes: If there was one position in the administration that was less so, it might be the Commissioner for National Parks (if there is such a thing. :D

I'm okay with that, actually, since the VP despite their apparent lack of constitutional power often can and does have an influence on policy and such. Cheney being a recent if controversial example. If you're going to shoehorn 90 different national governments into a single 10-minister format, you can do much worse, and many other governments around the world in 1936-1948 have similar figurehead positions that are represented overly much by this system (see: Kalinin in the USSR).
 
It always amazes me that the Paradox team made such an inflexible system that every nation on the planet have the exact same government positions. That's one thing about HoI4 that I do respect: the ministers are (relatively) flexible. Don't have a Navy? Don't bother expending the political mana to hire one!
I can sort of understand Paradox's position. Famously faction specific bonuses are the hardest things to balance in a game, it's too easy for them to stack in ways the developers never considered and end up with ridiculous situations. I saw a chap manage to trick the Civ 6 engine into allowing him free units by combing the right combination of bonuses. Locking it down does solve the balance problem, at the cost of verisimilitude and immersion.

An actual LOL from reading this.

EDIT: Ok, so clearly there should be a study on every single cabinet in this set up because they are all clearly wrong.
I am delighted at the reaction, because I do think this has been some of my best work.

I also concur that it is likely every cabinet contains some unfortunately broken options.

This is the only remotely excusable part of this update, as it stands to reason that Paradox probably wanted Quito to be less well-defended for balance reasons. Of course, this explanation falls apart when you realize that Paradox doesn't give a rat's ass about proper balance, but perhaps the South American Cabinets Guy™ took it up as a hobby. :p

It always bugged me that the USA is required to have a Chief of Staff when they didn't have a united head of the Joint Chiefs until 1942, but I digress...
That sounds far too plausible. I am prepared to believe that more thought went into balancing South American combat than into cabinet composition. Not necessarily time, someone put a lot of effort into finding obscure corpses to serve as ministers, but they clearly never thought about what they had found.

Chief of Staff is an anachronism for many nations. Britain never got one till long post-WW2 and the commonwealth followed a similar pattern.

nothing wrong with digressing :) How about having the VP as the ‘Head of Government’? :rolleyes: If there was one position in the administration that was less so, it might be the Commissioner for National Parks (if there is such a thing. :D
Digressions are a key ingredient in any El Pip AAR.
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on the specific point, I defer to @nuclearslurpee 's excellent answer to which I have nothing of substance to add.

As an architect in learning, this one cracked me up. You should know that this Architect doesn't really care about the science, he just believes that Jet fighters will look better than propeller-driven aeroplanes. Also, Nuclear bombs will allow for destruction on an unseen scale, and that will just mean more space for Architects to develop their incredibly expensive, impractical, and ultimately useless schemes for reconstruction. It's a win-win really.

I love the quadruplets theory, fascinating really... instead of just saying that Colombia only has an army with maybe a few biplanes, and thus has no need for a Chief of the Navy or Chief of the Air Force, so one man is enough, you just whip out the quadruplets, presumably bringing their speeches on the defence of the nation as a barbershop quartet... That's the kind of thing that makes this AAR one of a kind...
As was said at the time, the only people more delighted with the destruction caused by the Blitz than the Germans were the architects. Shame they insisted on Corbusier-esque modernisn, like so much in life this is basically France's fault and they should apologise for it. ( :D ;) )

So far as I am aware, the US National Parks actual control such an insanely large amount of land that the person leading it probably is pretty powerful.
But not a cabinet official, and therefore not in the line of succession!
US national parks is but a mere 80,000 square miles (the UK is ~93,000 square miles for comparison). So basically nothing. The US Bureau of Land Management takes care of ~390,000 square miles, which is about 1/8th of the total land mass of the US. That is an insane amount of land and the Bureau of Land management, as well as the National Parks, all fall under the US Department of the Interior.

This is probably why the Secretary of the Interior is 8th on the list of Presidential Succession, but also has their own (separate) order of succession as to who becomes the new Secretary of the Interior if the incumbent dies or gets lost.

Hmm isn't the 3rd in the line of inheritance the speaker of the house and the 666th the janitor of the white house or something!!!
I defer to xckd on this subject - https://xkcd.com/2003/

I'm okay with that, actually, since the VP despite their apparent lack of constitutional power often can and does have an influence on policy and such. Cheney being a recent if controversial example. If you're going to shoehorn 90 different national governments into a single 10-minister format, you can do much worse, and many other governments around the world in 1936-1948 have similar figurehead positions that are represented overly much by this system (see: Kalinin in the USSR).
The monarch (and governor general in the Dominions) get way to much influence under the HOI3 system as Head of States, but as you say it's not a bad system given the requirements of only 10 (identical) ministers for the entire government.

The biggest problem is when the country has El Presidente as HoS and HoG but Paradox has given the two ministers opposite traits, despite them being (in theory) the same person. Best example I know of - Liberia '44 has William S Tubman, who is both a Ruthless Powermonger and a Silent Workhorse. Bonus - in the Liberia 1944 start the default Chief of Army is Iver Virgin and chief of Air Force is Won Loy Chan. They also have random US banker and Chair of the Texas-Mexico railway as Minster of Security, and a random US general who visited Liberia once as Chief of Staff and Head of Intelligence.

I think this also proves TBC's point that all the HOI3 cabinets are wrong/broken in some way. :)
 
Chief of Staff is an anachronism for many nations. Britain never got one till long post-WW2 and the commonwealth followed a similar pattern.

Well...we know from Ian Fleming that British Intelligence used Chief of Staff for their second in command, as did several other departments. There still wasn't a chief of staff in the sense paradox was talking about yeah.

The US Bureau of Land Management takes care of ~390,000 square miles, which is about 1/8th of the total land mass of the US. That is an insane amount of land and the Bureau of Land management, as well as the National Parks, all fall under the US Department of the Interior.

Ah yes, this is who I meant. What a ridiculously large amount of land. The USA is just insane when you look at it even a little.

I think this also proves TBC's point that all the HOI3 cabinets are wrong/broken in some way.

Probably, but it is impressive how paradox made each one uniquely terrible. As we have been puzzling over for months now, this all took geniune effort to create and research. Who were those people? And were they being serious or not?
 
"Yes. We will form our tanks into a mighty armoured spearhead, this will break through the Ecuadorian defences and allow our massed hordes of infantry to overwhelm the enemy. Meanwhile the fleet, supported by the maritime squadrons of the air force, will force the Ecuadorian navy into a decisive battle and clear them from the coast."
One assumes Paradox interactive chooses the traits for these obscure Military ministers based on the roll of a die.
 
While obviously Paradox made sure this was indeed a hilariously freaky cabinet update for the Powerful State of Columbia, I did miss at least one opium-derivated reference... Or I just didn't get it.
 
Probably, but it is impressive how paradox made each one uniquely terrible. As we have been puzzling over for months now, this all took geniune effort to create and research. Who were those people? And were they being serious or not?
While I do wish to see those questions answered, I don't wish it enough to trawl through the game credits and start stalking people till they give up their secrets. And I fear that is the only way we will get to the bottom of this mystery.

One assumes Paradox interactive chooses the traits for these obscure Military ministers based on the roll of a die.
It has to be something like that. There is no pattern that I can detect and certainly very little (if any) logic.

While obviously Paradox made sure this was indeed a hilariously freaky cabinet update for the Powerful State of Columbia, I did miss at least one opium-derivated reference... Or I just didn't get it.
Putting a reference to the famous white powder into a Colombian update would be a tired old cliche, and I try to avoid cliches like the plague.


After many exciting real world issues I'm back. Currently researching obscure South American quasi-governmental figures from the 1930s in order to make slightly contrived jokes that most people will miss. Truly, it's good to be back. The final chapter of our South American detour will be heading your way soon, almost definitely sometime this week.
 
I try to avoid cliches like the plague.
As you should. Personally, I wouldn’t touch one with a ten-foot barge pole!
The final chapter of our South American detour will be heading your way soon, almost definitely sometime this week.
Now, don’t be so hasty, young hobbit!
 
Good to see things over here still proceed as useual. The useual majestic pace, allowing ample time to reflect upon the horrors uncovered and wonder about their origins. Looking forward to it.
 
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Putting a reference to the famous white powder into a Colombian update would be a tired old cliche, and I try to avoid cliches like the plague.


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Cliches make the world turn around... ;) But anyway, do carry on in your own most El Pipish Way so I can continue sniggering with the jokes I get and wondering which the ones I missed.
 
As you should. Personally, I wouldn’t touch one with a ten-foot barge pole!
Now, don’t be so hasty, young hobbit!
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I am pleased to see you appreciate the perils of rapid updating. If only you would apply such wisdom to yourself I might be able to keep up with your own many works. ;)

Good to see things over here still proceed as useual. The useual majestic pace, allowing ample time to reflect upon the horrors uncovered and wonder about their origins. Looking forward to it.
Wise words. These things should not be rushed, the strain these revelations put upon the constitution should not be dismissed lightly.

Cliches make the world turn around... ;) But anyway, do carry on in your own most El Pipish Way so I can continue sniggering with the jokes I get and wondering which the ones I missed.
I am delighted to induce sniggering, though given the rich material Paradox has so kindly (if unintentionally) provided I really have no excuse for this not to be at least somewhat funny.

But now, let us return to the world of T&T as we complete our South American Interlude!
 
29th December 1944 - Bolivia
29th December 1944 - Bolivia

As President Pumarejo prepares a traditional Colombian 'pick-me-up' to help Londono Y Londono recover (a nice Enyucado cake and some strong coffee from the highlands), we depart Bogoata and travel further South, rising up to the Andes until we reach the highest capital on earth - La Paz.

We arrive and see President Gualberto Villarroel receiving an unexpected visitor, the head of the Supreme Court of Bolivia had demanded an urgent meeting and the President had considered it wise to agree. After the usual pleasantries, Tomás Monje revealed the reason for his visit.

"The National Assembly have grave concerns about some of your recent decisions." Monje said.

"Why could they not bring such concerns to me themselves?" Villarroel asked.

"They were concerned you would kill them and dump their bodies from the heights of Death Road."

"That's only for anti-people traitors." Villarroel explained.

"Like those opposition leaders." Monje suggested.

"Surely they don't count, they all willing chose to jump off."

"Because it was that or be shot."

"Exactly." Villarroel nodded.

"And then there were all those trade union leaders?" Monje reminded him.

"Well I let them form a miner's union and then they went on strike against me. How was I supposed to react to such ingratitude?" Villarroel huffed.

"But you can see why people might be anxious about questioning you?"

"Maybe." Villarroel grudgingly conceded. "So what are these concerns?"

"To begin with, your choice of Foreign Minister." Monje read the first item from the list.

"There is nothing wrong with Rafael Franco, he is eminently qualified!"

"He's a Paraguayan Colonel who seized power in a military coup and was so hated his own army launched another coup to force him into exile less than a year later."

"That proves his experience of high office and skills at rapidly arranging foreign travel."

"He's still in exile in Uruguay!" Monje raised his voice.

"I don't see the problem, he's a foreigner living in a foreign country. How could he be more qualified to be foreign minister?"

Monje sighed and moved on.

"There is the matter of Moritz Hochschild."

"The man is a traitor, the worst of the tin barons, he has openly called for a revolution and plotted against the me and my government." Villarroel declared. "He was pardoned by my predecessor after the last plot, but he has thrown that kindness back in our face. I will not be swayed by any petitions or request for leniency, he must face justice."

"If that is all true, why have you made him Minister of Security?"

Villarroel looked around before leaning in towards the baffled judge.

"Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer." He whispered, before collapsing back into his chair.

"Even if they traitors you have condemned to death?"

"Especially if they are traitors you have condemned to death." Villarroel nodded.

Monje looked down the list.

"The Assembly has doubts about your choice of commanders for the Bolivian armed forces."

Villarroel bristled. "I have chosen the very best men available, I have total confidence in their unparalleled ability."

"You brought back that German idiot Hans Kundt." Monje shook an accusatory finger. "We sacked him during the Chaco War because all he knew how to do were frontal assaults, and he couldn't even do them very well."

"He's learnt from the experience." Villarroel shifted in his seat. "I'm sure he will work well with Chief of Staff Busch as they prosecute the war with the Ecuadorian devils."

"Thank you for raising my next point, why did you appoint one of our unstable, multiple coup launching, ex-Presidents as Chief of Staff?"

"I believe Busch and Kundt have a great deal in common and will form an excellent team."

"A great deal in common? Like the fact they are both dead?" Monje glared.

"Yes! And they both died in 1939, so that's another thing they have in common." Villarroel beamed.

"You are just trying to stop anyone in the Army getting a higher rank than you. Your plan is to keep appointing corpses so you don't have to promote any living people." Monje accused.

The former Major Villarroel looked shifty and tried to change the subject.

"Surely they can have no complaint about the other armed forces appointments? David Toro will make a magnificent Chief of the Air Force."

"Your issuing of a pardon to ex-President Toro is not popular, he was exiled to Chile for a reason. In addition his only experience of aircraft is flying into exile under pain of death" Monje admonished.

"I haven't pardoned Toro for his part in his second coup."

"So you have appointed a Chief of the Air Force who isn't allowed into the country?" Monje called on his years of legal experience to avoid putting his head in his hands.

"The edict of exile remains valid, he still can't step foot onto Bolivian soil." Villarroel looked smug.

A look of horrified realisation crossed over Monje's face.

"My god. You are going to claim that flying doesn't count as 'stepping foot' aren't you? So as long as he stays in the air he's still technically in exile."

"It is an ingenious loophole." Villarroel contrived to look even smugger.

"That doesn't explain the Chief of the Navy." Monje hurriedly changed the subject.

"We don't have a navy or even a coastline, the Chief of the Navy is a honorary post, a sinecure." Villarroel waved his hand dismissively.

"That is all true, so why have you given it to a mining baron everyone hates?"

"While we advance the cause of Military Socialism to reform Bolivia, we must be pragmatic and include all views, including the mining interests, in the government." Villarroel tried, and failed, to look statesman like.

"Yes but Felix Aromyao died in 1929. You've given a job to a corpse. Again." Monje accused.

"He has been quiet in cabinet meetings, I thought he was just annoyed because I'd spelt his name wrong." Villarroel had the decency to look mildly embarrassed.

"Speaking of quiet people, the latest intelligence briefing to the Assembly was a disaster and they are requesting you replace the Intelligence Minister."

"I realised he would not be a popular choice, but I believe Bolivia needs a spy who is a master of industry. We depend upon Tin and so our efforts must be focused upon understanding how the world's factories stand so we can plan and prepare for changes in demand for Tin. Sadly I could not find a local candidate who could be trusted, certainly the Tin Barons had the knowledge but few would say they had the patriotism." Villarroel paused and drew himself up. "So I was again forced to look further afield to find a man with the experience, knowledge and reliability the position requires."

"That's all well and good, but it doesn't justify appointing a 19th Century Mexican diplomat."

Villarroel glared at the judge.

"You can't even bring his skeleton to cabinet, because he was exiled and buried in Paris. Why do you keep appointing people who have been exiled?" Monje asked suspiciously.

"I feel their desire for forgiveness will motivate them to do well." Villarroel replied. "It is never too late to seek redemption."

"Well it is too late for the dead." Monje flatly stated.

"Possibly some of them have left their bid for redemption a tad too late." Villarroel conceded. "Is that all?"

"There is just this letter of complaint from the Holy See." Monje passed over the crisp vellum.

"What problem can the Pope have with my cabinet?"

"The Holy Father is concerned that it is not appropriate for Archbishop Pierini to serve as your Armaments Minister."

"He is impressively obsessed with Tanks." Villarroel argued.

"If he was obsessed with tanks, which the Vatican dispute, that stopped in 1939."

"Because he saw the horrors of war as German Panzer threatened to end Christian Civilisation?" Villarroel asked.

"No, because he died." Monje explained slowly.

"I looked long and hard to find a tank obsessed archbishop to serve in my cabinet. So if you, or the Pope, think I'm going to let a little thing like him being long dead stop me you will be sorely disappointed." Villarroel said haughtily.

The two men stared at each other.

"I must warn you, if you keep this up someone is going to launch a coup." Monje threatened.

"This is Bolivia, there is always a coup!" Villaroel laughed. "Besides most of the country is distracted with the war with Ecuador, so I think I'll get away with it."

Monje left the laughing President and, head bowed, walked out of the office.

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The impressively unique Bolivian Cabinet in all it's majesty.

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Notes:
Where to begin with this one?

Gualberto Villarroel was indeed the 46th President of Bolivia and, best I can tell, also Head of the Government (constitutionally things are unclear as will become clear). He was from the proud tradition of "progressive Military-Socialist dictatorships" which Bolivia enjoyed for much of the early 20th century. As was traditional he was a junior(ish) officer who came to power in a coup. Like all Military-Socialist he as a bit odd, mixing progressive reforms on pensions, unions and workers rights with murdering anyone who looked at them funny or tried to use those rights in ways they didn't like. Got a bit murderously unhinged towards the end and was deposed in a coup before being strung up from a lamp post Mussolini style.

Yungas Road, also known as Death Road, was a stupidly dangerous road through the Bolivian mountains which killed 200/300 Bolivians a year due to it being fundamentally unsafe. You may, or may not, have seen it in the Top Gear Bolivian Special a few years back.

Bolivia was the land of coups at the time. There were successful coups in 1930, 1934, 1936, 1937, 1943, 1946, 1951 and 1952. Plus half a dozen more Unsuccessful ones. Most President tried to legitimise themselves and there were a lot of Constitutional Conventions/Assembles, so it was all a bit of a mess. This helps explains why there are so many ex-Presidents around the place. Speaking of which Thomas Monje was indeed head of the Bolivian Supreme Court and would be the next full-time President after Villarroel, appointed solely as someone who was trusted to arrange some elections before vanishing back into obscurity. Given Villarroel did like killing opponents, Monje seemed one of the few who could have that sort of chat with him, Monje did manage to die of old age and not be exiled - impressive achievements for a Bolivian President of the time.

Onto the cabinet;
  • Rafael Franco Rafel - ex-President of Paraguay who seized power in a coup in 1936. Another Military-Socialist, so lots of money spent on re-building the armed forces, but also extra holiday, union rights, nationalisations and building hospitals. The taxes to pay for this were not popular, so there was a counter-coup in 1937 and he spent the next decade in exile in Uruguay. An odd choice.
  • Moritz Hochschild - Tin Mining Baron and the Bolivian Schindler for all his work on helping to save Jews, paid for ~10,000 odd to escape Germany and helped them set up a new life in Bolivia. Sadly he did this while utterly screwing over his Bolivian workers and threatening to fund coups against any Bolivian government that tried to make him treat them fairly or pay any tax. Got arrested and sentenced to death twice for this (1939 and 1944), after being conditionally pardoned the second time he fled Bolivia never to return. Again, odd choice for Security Minister as at this point he is sitting on Bolivian Death Row and officially awaiting execution.
  • German Busch - Colonel in the Bolivian Army and hero of the Chaco War (he won his bits, even as the rest of the Army lost the wider war badly.) Launched three separate coups, including one during the Chaco war, was President twice - first time was only for a few days as he handed over to David Toro, then a year later realised Toro was a liability so couped him and became President. 'Tempestuous and volatile' according to wiki. Utterly unhinged would also apply. Committed suicide in 1939 while President as he was enraged and depressed that a country was harder to reform than an army unit.
  • Hans Kundt - German Colonel who got sent to Bolivia as part of a training mission. Bolivia liked him so called him back after WW1 to head up their army and be Minster of War. Sadly he was utterly useless. He was a decent staff officer who cared for his men, but he was crap at logistics, contemptuous of aerial recon (the one edge Bolivia actually had in the Chaco War), awful at strategy and beyond terrible at tactics, having seemingly learnt nothing at all during WW1 about the limits of front assaults against dug in machine guns. Sacked and deported from Bolivia in 1933, he died in 1939. So even if they wanted him back (and they never would) he was not available.
  • Felix Aromyao (Paradox added an extra 'R' to his name, just to make researching him that bit harder) - Tin and Bismuth mining magnate. Just as influential and unpleasant as Hochschild, but without the redeeming features. Died in 1929 and not an obvious choice for Chief of the Navy, but then this is Bolivia so there are no historical option. In Paradox's defence he did like doing things off-shore (like putting his companies there to avoid tax) so there is that link.
  • David Toro Ruilova - Another ex-President and another Colonel, a pattern is developing. As discussed above he was put into power by Busch in the1936 coup, then kicked out by Busch in the 1937 coup. Nationalised all the Standard Oil interests in the country (not much, but it was the thought that counted), but also had to cope with the country being bankrupt after losing the Chaco War. Couldn't reform fast enough for his allies, but was moving too fast for the previous elite, so everyone hated him. He attempted a counter coup against Buch in 1938, but this failed (because everyone hated him) and so he was exiled to Chile never to return. Zero air force experience, if any more reason were needed to declare him an odd choice.
  • José María Gutiérrez - Mexican Diplomat who died in 1867. That is absolutely his photo Paradox have used. A fanatical monarchist he was kicked out of Mexico in 1840, but didn't let that slow him down. Eventually he became the link man between the Mexican conservatives and Napoleon III, being instrumental in making Maximilian Hapsburg the Mexican Emperor. This did not go well, which sums up Gutiérrez's career. A baffling choice even if he had been Foreign Minster. As an Industrial Specialist Minister of Intelligence.. I lack the words to describe his total lack of suitability.
  • Francesco Pierini - Absolutely my favourite. Italian who ended up Archbishop of Sucre. Died in 1939, like so many of Bolivia's ministers. Views on tanks and mobile warfare doctrine - unclear. But if you can't appreciate the idea of a zombie Italian Archbishop muttering "Taaaaanks" in a Bolivian cabinet meeting, this probably isn't the AAR for you.
The notes are only just shorter than the actual update, and the entire thing is a bit of a beast. But we are now done and can leave South America to return to Europe and the actual war, Huzzah! *Hipflask toast* *Glug, glug, glug*
 
Well, I’m just about rendered speechless by that. Not quite, but almost. :eek:;) You have devoted more time to researching them than their dubious lifetime achievements deserved. Luckily for them, most were able to continue their in-game careers well beyond death - I suppose they were all late for their own funerals.

One can imagine the Paradox researcher for South America just googling ‘Bolivia, people’ and then picking anyone noted for anything up to 1936, then assigning them random characteristics for gameplay purposes (well, to the extent they thought anyone may actually play Bolivia in a WW2 simulation - little did they realise).

There, my words returned after the initial shock wore off. ;) South America is making Slovakia ‘44 look like a well-researched liberal paradise of carpet bombing Social Realist poets who may actually be alive. Even if Run by fascists obsessed with spitting angrily, chugging from hip flasks and consigning enemies to pencil-encrusted pits!
 
I am pleased to see you appreciate the perils of rapid updating. If only you would apply such wisdom to yourself I might be able to keep up with your own many works. ;)

More shade here than a forest of Ents...

"Thank you for raising my next point, why did you appoint one of our unstable, multiple coup launching, ex-Presidents as Chief of Staff?"

"I believe Busch and Kundt have a great deal in common and will form an excellent team."

Because they're both mad and dead?

"A great deal in common? Like the fact they are both dead?" Monje glared.

"Yes! And they both died in 1939, so that's another thing they have in common." Villarroel beamed.

Ah, ok. It's going to be one of those cabinets.

"I haven't pardoned Toro for his part in his second coup."

"So you have appointed a Chief of the Air Force who isn't allowed into the country?"

This is in many ways worse than having a corpse in office.

That is all true, so why have you given it to a mining baron everyone hates?"

And how did paradox find out he existed and then put him in charge of a government office?

"Yes but Felix Aromyao died in 1929.

Huh. Weird. Wasn't 1939.

"That's all well and good, but it doesn't justify appointing a 19th Century Mexican diplomat."

Villarroel glared at the judge.

"You can't even bring his skeleton to cabinet, because he was exiled and buried in Paris. Why do you keep appointing people who have been exiled?" Monje asked suspiciously.

...this may be the worst one yet. Someone at paradox was probably trolling someone with this choice.

"The Holy Father is concerned that it is not appropriate for Archbishop Pierini to serve as your Armaments Minister."

"He is impressively obsessed with Tanks." Villarroel argued.

Somone at paradox was definitely trolling with this one.

"No, because he died." Monje explained slowly.

"I looked long and hard to find a tank obsessed archbishop to serve in my cabinet. So if you, or the Pope, think I'm going to let a little thing like him being long dead stop me you will be sorely disappointed." Villarroel said haughtily.

Weclome to Sweden.

Where to begin with this one?

Not really sure...probably a cemetery to get rid of some of these bodies.

Got a bit murderously unhinged towards the end and was deposed in a coup before being strung up from a lamp post Mussolini style.

This probably wouldn't deter him from becoming prime minister of Australia in Paradox Land.

Felix Aromyao (Paradox added an extra 'R' to his name, just to make researching him that bit harder)

Indicated either someone was trolling or they were geniunly getting this off an early webpage or cheap book of dubious quality.

José María Gutiérrez - Mexican Diplomat who died in 1867. That is absolutely his photo Paradox have used.

...and yet, they somehow manage to get the exact photograph and name right on this one. Even a diplomat. Just so happens to be dead.

Eventually he became the link man between the Mexican conservatives and Napoleon III, being instrumental in making Maximilian Hapsburg the Mexican Emperor. This did not go well, which sums up Gutiérrez's career.

Huh. He actually sounds pretty interesting. Best move on quickly.

Died in 1939, like so many of Bolivia's ministers.

A dead government is perhaps seen as better than all the other choices they had.

But if you can't appreciate the idea of a zombie Italian Archbishop muttering "Taaaaanks" in a Bolivian cabinet meeting, this probably isn't the AAR for you.

Yes, and sadly he's driving off into the sunset with all the other south amercia crazies, never to be seen again.

One can imagine the Paradox researcher for South America just googling ‘Bolivia, people’ and then picking anyone noted for anything up to 1936, then assigning them random characteristics for gameplay purposes (well, to the extent they thought anyone may actually play Bolivia in a WW2 simulation - little did they realise).

Well...I think the research is both too precise and too awful for that. It's getting to the point where we really can't tell whether they were joking or amazingly incompetent.

...hey, hang on a minute, Sweden has a cabinet in this game doesn't it???
 
Oh dear, I must applaud the Paradox Researchers for finding all those obscure zombie cabinet members once again. A Monumental Task to say the least.

Also I sniggered a couple of times.
 
Yeah I recommend looking up the swedish government to see exactly how far down the rabbit whole Paradox went with this.
 
You can't really blame Paradox for people dying during the timeline of the game, or maybe they could have an expire date on them? the rest is ... time ran out I guess and the game had to be delivered :)
 
I give up, I've got nothing. *glug*
 
Well, I’m just about rendered speechless by that. Not quite, but almost. :eek:;) You have devoted more time to researching them than their dubious lifetime achievements deserved. Luckily for them, most were able to continue their in-game careers well beyond death - I suppose they were all late for their own funerals.

There, my words returned after the initial shock wore off. ;) South America is making Slovakia ‘44 look like a well-researched liberal paradise of carpet bombing Social Realist poets who may actually be alive. Even if Run by fascists obsessed with spitting angrily, chugging from hip flasks and consigning enemies to pencil-encrusted pits!
An excellent recovery from the horror of speechlessness. The Bolivian motley band may not have achieved much, but I think they are an interesting bunch in their own way. I think there is great potential for a very character driven story set in inter-war Latin America, I'm thinking something Art Deco Noir style about a well-connected private pilot caught up in the Chaco Wars and the constant coups. One of the escaped Jews rescued by Hochschild discovering his "saviour" is also an unscrupulous sociopath, with someone in the government playing on that to get him to betray Hochschild. Definite potential there for someone better at narrative and character.

And how did paradox find out he existed and then put him in charge of a government office?
There is a book about Aromayo and how he became the Tin / Silver / Bismuth King of South America, some of the facts are lifted from a review of it I found online. Apparently the book contains his biography, tales of complex and contrived mine financing and engineering detail on how his mines worked. For my sins I sort of want to read it, but alas it is only in Spanish.

Well...I think the research is both too precise and too awful for that. It's getting to the point where we really can't tell whether they were joking or amazingly incompetent.
I think your guess of trolling is the most correct. Who in their right mind would ever play as Bolivia in 1944, so why not hide some random stuff in there for a laugh with your fellow researchers? As we know that Paradox combined researchers and Beta testers into one job it is the perfect crime - the only people who might notice are your mates who are doing the same thing to other small countries the world over.

Yes, and sadly he's driving off into the sunset with all the other south amercia crazies, never to be seen again.
While I find Gutiérrez the most interesting (in a Victoria II kind of way), I agree I will miss zombie tank archbishop most of all.

Oh dear, I must applaud the Paradox Researchers for finding all those obscure zombie cabinet members once again. A Monumental Task to say the least.

Also I sniggered a couple of times.
Excellent on the sniggering, you can see why I saved Bolivia for last! :D

Yeah I recommend looking up the swedish government to see exactly how far down the rabbit whole Paradox went with this.
I had a look, it's a bit meh. There will be an intermission on the subject.

You can't really blame Paradox for people dying during the timeline of the game, or maybe they could have an expire date on them? the rest is ... time ran out I guess and the game had to be delivered :)
Paradox could have put in a death date for ministers / generals. Maybe an option; Historic death dates / random dates / ministers+general immortal.

On the second point I think not. All these errors were present in HOI2 and were pointed out at the time. Paradox just copied them across, errors and all. BUT they had to do some work because the traits changed, so old minister had to be given new traits and the file format all changed. It's just while doing that, they didn't bother fixing their previous cockups.

I give up, I've got nothing. *glug*
*Glug* is the very best reaction.
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Admittedly, the number of coups alone must've made assembling consistent historical cabinets a pain for Paradox...
But a dead man is a dead man, and they could've at least drawn the line there.
Dying before the time frame of the game really should rule you out of contention and as you say it's not exactly a demanding criteria.

Especially when they have mostly got the Head of Government and Head of State correct, so some work was done working out all the governments. Just not enough. Or perhaps not the right sort of work.
 
Or have a "placeholder" Empty Suit for those where one couldn't find a broadly similar cabinet posting for the various micro states... no benefit to having them but able to maintain some level of historical nod that "Bolivia didn't have a navy department since it lost its coast line..." or something similar...