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29th December 1944 - Peru

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29th December 1944

We return, but not to frozen and forsaken Bratislava. Instead we go to South America where the Allies powers of that continent had banded together to form the Pan American Theatre Headquarters Expeditionary Troops Integrated Command. With that prestigious body due to meet in the New Year there are preparations to make. We begin in Lima where Prime Minister Sanchez had been summoned for a pre-cabinet meeting with the Peruvian President

"Sanchez, how are goes the war?" President Ugarteche asked.

"Not well, the foul monkeys of Ecuador still hold out." Prime Minister Sanchez replied.

"And relations with out Allies?"

"Much better." Sanchez beamed. "We had been concerned that the title of our military command was too long and no-one would use it, but we often hear the British and American call us PATHETIC so it must have caught on."

"Excellent. Is the Cabinet ready?"

Sanchez looked a bit unsure.

"Well as ready as they can be."

Sanchez and Ugarteche walked into the Cabinet Room. It contains a surprising number of skeletons.

"What the hell is going on?" Ugarteche asked.

"It's your cabinet."

"I know that, but who is that?" Ugarteche pointed at a gentlemen in white coat holding a clipboard.

"I am Doctor Montes from 'El Refugio'. Congress is concerned about the cabinet and has asked me to consult." Montes explained.

"I can't imagine why anyone from the national Aslyum for the Incurably Insane would be concerned about any of this." Ugarteche gestured at the cabinet. There was a small *crash* noise as some bones fell off one of the skeletons.

"Shall we begin with the civil side." Sanchez suggested.

"Alberto Ulloa Sotomayor is our Foreign Minister, he is a hard negotiator but these are hard times." Ugarteche pointed out the stern and brutish looking minister.

"I recognise the name, isn't he a Colónidaist poet?" Montes made a brief note.

"He was. But he has made a complete recovery since taking up Maritime and International Law." Ugarteche defended his minister against the foul accusation of being a post-modernist poet.

"I haven't reneged on exoticism for over 10 years." Sotomayor beamed proudly.

"We do find that the complexity of legal language is an excellent treatment for post-modernist poetry." Montes agreed.

"When looking for a Security Minister we were concerned about the possibility of a coup, so we wanted someone utterly trustworthy." Ugarteche explained his thinking as they moved onto the next chair.

"So you went for ex-President Luis Sánchez. A man who launched three separate coup attempts before finally seizing power himself." Montes made some more urgent notes.

"Well he's probably learnt his lesson by now." Sanchez squirmed.

"I find that unlikely, if nothing else he was shot dead back in '33 and that tends to limit your future learning opportunities." Montes carefully explained.

"Exactly! As a long dead corpse he is no position to lead a coup, making him the most trustworthy candidate." Ugarteche beamed widely, prompting further frantic note taking by Montes.

"There are no such issues around our head of Intelligence, Senor Farfan is a vibrant and energetic figure." Sanchez tried to move things along.

"I have often noted those properties in his work." Montes agreed. "But as much as I do admire his music, questions have been raised about the suitability of a composer for the role of Head of Peruvian Espionage."

"He has hidden depths." Ugartecher said enigmatically.

"Shall we move onto the military side." Sanchez tried to hurry things along.

"I of course recognise ex-President General Larrea, but your colleagues are less familiar." Montes greeted the Chief of the Army.

"You don't recognise former President Jimenez." Larrea gestured at the skeleton on his right.

"He has changed since his time in office." Ugartecher nodded considerately.

"He's got a lot thinner for starters." Sanchez agreed.

"Why is your naval opposite number wearing a kilt?" Montes hoped that the Socratic Method may yield some results. And if nothing else humouring them might keep them calm.

"That's not a kilt, it's a dress." Larrea said.

"We were honouring the widows request." Sanchez

After some desperately frantic scribbling Montes looked up.

"So those are the remains of former Prime Minister José de la Riva-Agüero?" He clarified.

"Yes. If you put aside his extreme fascism, transvestism and lack of any naval experience at all he is a perfect Chief of the Navy." Ugartecher said.

"Why is that skeleton wearing a beret?" Montes decided to rush through so he could leave.

"Do you remember back in 1920 the French tried to sell us some second hand Great War aircraft?" Ugartecher asked.

"Vaguely. It all ended in a disaster when one of the French pilots crashed his plane while trying to show off." Montes replied.

Ugartecher pointed at the skeleton.

"So that's the remains of the French pilot?"

"The very same. We made him Chief of the Air Force to serve as a warning to other pilots not to show off." Ugartecher explained.

"I think I've seen enough." Montes snapped his notebook shut. "I must warn you that what I've seen here confirms the worst fears of Congress."

Ugartecher and Sanchez exchange a worried look and then nodded.

"Of course doctor, that is between yourself and Congress." Ugartecher said.

"On an entirely unrelated point, you may have noticed there was no armaments minister in the cabinet. We have been reviewing various candidates, but none have measured up." Sanchez explained while walking to the drinks cabinet.

"However we have been impressed by your grasp of the problems and piercing intellect, so we'd like to offer you the role." Ugartecher told the shocked doctor.

"Make no mistake, this will be an arduous role. The lucrative salary is barely adequate re-numeration for the work involved. So much travel and fine dining with foreign armaments company." Sanchez offered a glass containing a generous shot of well aged whisky to the doctor.

"Worse we are required to 'take care' of the salary of those cabinet members who are unable to collect their money." Ugartecher sighed at the thought of that onerous burden..

"Would I be allowed to divert far too much of the military budget towards Submarines?" Montes asked the decisive question.

"Of course!" Ugartecher beamed. "Welcome aboard."

"Now about your report." Sanchez asked.

"As I said, it will confirms the worst fears of Congress. The fear that Congress are wasting everyone's time complaining about the President and are basically unfit for power." Montes declared.

"So you would support me scrapping the elections?" Ugartecher asked.

"Of course! Why take the risk that the electorate would break up such a perfect team." Montes enthusiastically nodded.

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The Peruvian Government in all it's magnificence. A good 60% of them are even alive, what more could any country ask for.

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Notes:
All genuine ministers. I may have picked the best (worst) choices for a couple of them, but all legitimate options for Peru.

Not quite sure how Peru ended up a Right-Wing dictatorship, at the time it was a mostly functioning democracy and would be until the 1962 Coup. Bonus incompetence - at this point Paradox claim Peru is Paternal Autocrat (the light grey one) under the Partido Civil. The Partido Civil was (a) anti-military, centre-left (ish) and (b) dissolved and declared illegal in 1930. Double Bonus Incompetence - The President's party Acción Popular was only founded in 1956. Paradox did at least get the names of the HoG and HoS correct.

For the rest;
  • Paul de Beaudiez - French airforce captain. Part of France's (failed) mission to sell aircraft and training skills to Peru, Crashed in Peru in 1920 in a Caudron G.III he was attempting to show off in.
  • José de la Riva-Agüero - Former Prime Minister of Peru. Went utterly fascist Transvestite. Died in October 1944
  • Óscar Raymundo Benavides Larrea - Ex-president of Peru and former General. Decent enough choice as CoA, except for the whole ex-President issue
  • Gustavo Jimenez - Temporary President of the Preuvian Junta for a week before handing over to Sanchze. Died in 1933
  • Benigno Ballón Farfán - Genuinely famous Preuvian Composer who was alive at the time. His works were declared part of the "Cultural Patrimony of the Nation of Peru". Never worked in intelligence or the government in any capacity
  • Luis Miguel Sánchez Cerro - Joined his first coup when only 15 (lost three fingers on his hand grabbing a firing machine gun, which he turned against loyalist troops). Second coup 7 years later in 1921, also got shot but this coup was unsuccessful. Joined the Spanish Foreign Legion (got shot). Organised 3rd coup in 1930 against the dictatorship of the time and won. Then got kicked out by the rest of the Junta after 6 months and went into exile. Junta then organised fresh elections a couple of years later, which Sanchez (maybe) won. Then got assassinated in 1933. Very interesting chap. Very dead, even in 1936
  • Alberto Ulloa Sotomayor - Peruvian Jurist and world renowned expert in International Law. Was indeed a post-modernist poet in his youth, but gave it up to study the law. Was legitimately Peruvian Foreign Minister at various points. Believed sincerely in the primacy of law and the very opposite of an iron-fisted brute though..
  • Oscar Trelles Montes - Peruvian Doctor who genuintely ran a mental hospital called the "asylum of incurables". In fairness was Minister for Health in 1945 and did get other government jobs in the 1960s. Actual view on Submarines, unknown.
One down, three to go.
 

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I was going to make a skeletons in the cabinet joke, but I thought better of it. That would have been PATHETIC...
With an update like that, the comments just write themselves...
 

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With such a governent Peruvian and Allied Victory is assured. I actually believe dead politicians are the best politicians. Except for dead politicians which weren't politicians, but dead pilots or dead composers.

I'm confused. I guess all is right.
 

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Hah, nice going there. Perhaps an even sillier and more incongruous Government than Slovakia, if that is possible!
 

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Whoa... that's just special. Of course, there's not much out there on the internet either...
 

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"So you went for ex-President Luis Sánchez. A man who launched three separate coup attempts before finally seizing power himself." Montes made some more urgent notes.

Okay can sort of see how incompetent researcher might-

"Well he's probably learnt his lesson by now." Sanchez squirmed.

Huh. Ok...

"I have often noted those properties in his work." Montes agreed. "But as much as I do admire his music, questions have been raised about the suitability of a composer for the role of Head of Peruvian Espionage."

Are you saying composers aren't qualified to do everything?

"Yes. If you put aside his extreme fascism, transvestism and lack of any naval experience at all he is a perfect Chief of the Navy." Ugartecher said.

Better than some naval commanders even.

"So that's the remains of the French pilot?"

"The very same. We made him Chief of the Air Force to serve as a warning to other pilots not to show off." Ugartecher explained.

Ok, someone at paradox genuinely seems to have put real effort into composing (sic) the most ridiculous and insane list of people possible for goverbemnt. This suggests that paradox put their only good researcher on Peru and south america, which hacked them off good and so they decided to take the piss, and found some truly hilarious historical people to stuff into each cabinet in revenge.

The Peruvian Government in all it's magnificence. A good 60% of them are even alive, what more could any country ask for.

Yeah, at least none of them are communists! Bo ho ho!
 

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Now this is something special. My expectation were well and truly defied.
This is the reaction I was hoping for. Digging up the histories of some of those characters took a while (if you find nothing is it because the person didn't exist, Paradox misspelt their name or you haven't looked in the right place?) so I am please that time was not wasted.

That is a lot of former Presidents on a cabinet ... some being a death weight on the government.
They bring experience and gravitas. And bones. And soil. And a vague suggestion of Necromancy and the Dark Arts.

I was going to make a skeletons in the cabinet joke, but I thought better of it. That would have been PATHETIC...
With an update like that, the comments just write themselves...
It would indeed so it is good you thought better of it. I did wonder if just listing the madness would be enough, but then I was inspired to put a bit of narrative to it.

With such a governent Peruvian and Allied Victory is assured. I actually believe dead politicians are the best politicians. Except for dead politicians which weren't politicians, but dead pilots or dead composers.

I'm confused. I guess all is right.
I think I agree with you. Dead politicians can't make anything worse, so are therefore the best. In the future we will look at Peru's inactive government in envy and admiration.

Hah, nice going there. Perhaps an even sillier and more incongruous Government than Slovakia, if that is possible!
While Slovakia set the bar low, I believe Peru has slunk underneath it to be more ridiculous. Which is a very T&T-esque result - they can't even be the best at being the worst!

Whoa... that's just special. Of course, there's not much out there on the internet either...
I would dearly love to know the research books and sources that Paradox used to find out these names. They are copied over from HOI2 so it was sometime in ~2004 they were putting these names and photos in. Someone in Paradox had access to some exceptionally specialist and detailed books and sources, they then either used them badly or (as TBC suggests) decided to take the piss. Either way I'd like to know what they were.

Are you saying composers aren't qualified to do everything?
It's a heretical view point, but one that is growing in popularity in the psychiatric community. I would suggest that while Composers may not be the theoretical ideal choice, they are often better than the available alternatives - dead men, traitors, Czechs *spit* and so on.

Ok, someone at paradox genuinely seems to have put real effort into composing (sic) the most ridiculous and insane list of people possible for goverbemnt. This suggests that paradox put their only good researcher on Peru and south america, which hacked them off good and so they decided to take the piss, and found some truly hilarious historical people to stuff into each cabinet in revenge.
That theory fits the known facts and the typical Paradox level of testing and Quality Assurance (i.e. none).

Yeah, at least none of them are communists! Bo ho ho!
There will be time for the Hard Left before we finish our tour of Latin America, rest assured.

At the risk of raising expectations, I believe that Peru is not the most ridiculous cabinet we will be looking at. Find out more next time, which might even be this week. Maybe. Hopefully. Perhaps.
 
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would dearly love to know the research books and sources that Paradox used to find out these names. They are copied over from HOI2 so it was sometime in ~2004 they were putting these names and photos in. Someone in Paradox had access to some exceptionally specialist and detailed books and sources, they then either used them badly or (as TBC suggests) decided to take the piss. Either way I'd like to know what they were.

It's a really good question. I really am quite interested to know who was on that research team and what they were doing. Anyone looked through the credits to see where they got these esteemed scholars of history from? And let's see...well 2004 obvs is far beyond what i know personally in regards to how one would go about finding out anything so someone else is going to have the theorize that one too. Still, that is very specific knowledge whoever it was dug up and then used suspiciously incorrectly.

It's a heretical view point, but one that is growing in popularity in the psychiatric community. I

It would certainly get you burnt at the stake in many a ckii AAR. Of course in ages where there is such a thing as applied science, the psychiatric community is disturbingly easy to buy off for a blossoming dictator if he or she manages to get a pet doctor in their organisation and stuff them full of grant money. Or in the case of this Peru, literally just give then government posts and shoot them if they step out of line.

No one will think us crazy then.

That theory fits the known facts and the typical Paradox level of testing and Quality Assurance (i.e. none).

It does bear thinking about, yes? It's certainly what one of us would do had we been given the remit.
 

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There will be time for the Hard Left before we finish our tour of Latin America, rest assured.

At the risk of raising expectations, I believe that Peru is not the most ridiculous cabinet we will be looking at. Find out more next time, which might even be this week. Maybe. Hopefully. Perhaps.
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And perhaps you could sub-title this journey 'The Race to the Bottom' or perhaps 'The Dutch Auction'! :p
 

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:eek:

And perhaps you could sub-title this journey 'The Race to the Bottom' or perhaps 'The Dutch Auction'! :p

I'm pretty sure everyone is quite interested in the AAR but also reasonably sure everyone is at least for now interested in how far this snake pit goes in terms of historical ridiculousness. Tune in next week for El Pip's Top Ten Worst Cabinets of HOI!
 

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José de la Riva-Agüero - Former Prime Minister of Peru. Went utterly fascist Transvestite. Died in October 1944

Described as the De Maistre of Peru, which is probably not the person that Peru needed a version of, admirer though I am of De Maistre's thought.

Anyway, I have a 40 page thing in Spanish on him, so in an attempt to regain my ability to read Spanish, I'll plumb that for further details on his insanity/transvestism.
 

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This is what Team of Rivals was actually supposed to be about.
I dread to think what Daniel Day-Lewis would do if cast in some of these roles.

It's a really good question. I really am quite interested to know who was on that research team and what they were doing. Anyone looked through the credits to see where they got these esteemed scholars of history from? And let's see...well 2004 obvs is far beyond what i know personally in regards to how one would go about finding out anything so someone else is going to have the theorize that one too. Still, that is very specific knowledge whoever it was dug up and then used suspiciously incorrectly.
There is a great story there, but not one I think Paradox would ever discuss as it's probably not going to reflect well on them.

https://www.mobygames.com/game/windows/hearts-of-iron-ii/credits - Best I can tell no actual esteemed scholars on that list, just a lot of Beta Testers and/or people who had others jobs. It appears 'database research' was something you either did to get on the Beta or did in-between your actual development job.

Honestly I think this could be the start of the grand unified theory of Paradox game development. The people who should of been Beta testing were too busy looking up obscure South American politicians, but getting it wrong as they weren't actual researchers. This explains why the Research is so wrong and why Paradox games always appear so badly bugged and unbalanced - because no-one actually did any Beta testing, the test team were all too busy looking up names for a Panamanian Communist Minsters of the Air Force or whatever. This explains many things.
IndeedSir.gif


:eek:

And perhaps you could sub-title this journey 'The Race to the Bottom' or perhaps 'The Dutch Auction'! :p
That may be tempting fate, after all has anyone looked at who Paradox put into the Dutch Government in Exile for 1944? My expectation is that is exactly the kind of scenario they are most likely to cock up.

I'm pretty sure everyone is quite interested in the AAR but also reasonably sure everyone is at least for now interested in how far this snake pit goes in terms of historical ridiculousness. Tune in next week for El Pip's Top Ten Worst Cabinets of HOI!
If I wasn't horrifically over-committed to too-many AARs (and trying to move house) I would probably start a new thread and do that.

Described as the De Maistre of Peru, which is probably not the person that Peru needed a version of, admirer though I am of De Maistre's thought.

Anyway, I have a 40 page thing in Spanish on him, so in an attempt to regain my ability to read Spanish, I'll plumb that for further details on his insanity/transvestism.
I look forward to any details that should emerge from your studies.

I think the big change in Riva-Agüero's life was when he started mixing with Charles Maurras while he was in exile in Paris, it clearly had an impact on him and from being a notional centrist type he ended up a bit Action Française. That I suppose is where the indirect connection to De Maistre came from, not sure Riva-Agüero was quite as keen on giving the Pope supreme temporal authority though. ;)
 

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Honestly I think this could be the start of the grand unified theory of Paradox game development. The people who should of been Beta testing were too busy looking up obscure South American politicians, but getting it wrong as they weren't actual researchers. This explains why the Research is so wrong and why Paradox games always appear so badly bugged and unbalanced - because no-one actually did any Beta testing, the test team were all too busy looking up names for a Panamanian Communist Minsters of the Air Force or whatever. This explains many things.
IndeedSir.gif

Mm. I think all it needs is a write up document and we could share the nobel prize in game design for solving the Paradox Problem.

Also that Peruvian composer was a genuinely good one and so far as I know remains popular today. So...well, somebody at least was trolling Paradox. In fact, these names make much more sense when you know it was beta testers competing with each other to be the most ridiculous or offensive. And they put far more effort into that then play testing the game.
 

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I have just done some serious catching up after the forum once again forgot about poor little slovakia. At a complete loss for for words here so i wont even try to comment on anything i saw today. If i remember ill dig into the dutch government in exile for a bit for you later.
 

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Mm. I think all it needs is a write up document and we could share the nobel prize in game design for solving the Paradox Problem.

Also that Peruvian composer was a genuinely good one and so far as I know remains popular today. So...well, somebody at least was trolling Paradox. In fact, these names make much more sense when you know it was beta testers competing with each other to be the most ridiculous or offensive. And they put far more effort into that then play testing the game.
I listened to said Peruvian composers efforts... not my cup of tea but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and perhaps his best efforts didn't make it onto the internet.

I have just done some serious catching up after the forum once again forgot about poor little slovakia. At a complete loss for for words here so i wont even try to comment on anything i saw today. If i remember ill dig into the dutch government in exile for a bit for you later.
A failure to comment is probably the safest response. I am delighted the forum software is getting into the historic spirit by forgetting about Slovakia, just like everyone else did.

Tantalisingly close to the top of the next page, just as I am tantalisingly close to being ready to post the next exciting episode of "Top Four Worst South American Cabinets in HOI".
 

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I think we are all waiting for that one.
 

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Yes that would be much anticipated indeed