Let the ruling classes tremble – an Interactive Revolutionary AAR

[Xanthippus]

Freedom of the press does not empower the workers.

Rubbish. If we don't have freedom of speech then we are not a democracy. Socialism without democracy is barbarism.

There are 2 paths down the road of liberal appeasement. Would the Luxembourgists have us end our support of the international worker? For that is the only way to remain at peace. Without such an abandonment of our principles, war is inevitable.

No the Luxemburgists would not. Their platform is not to attack unless we are attacked, that does not mean they aim to withdraw all support for international revolution and pander to the Capitalist powers to outrightly avoid any war whatsoever. Moreover, the Luxemburgist platform doesn't even have a hint of liberal policy. It successfully blends the best of Marxist philosophy, without the authoritarian leanings of Lenin, with the best of Anarchism. It seems to suit many comrades too well to attempt to sully Anarchist thought with the taint of liberal, borugeois thought. With the exception of Enewald, who throws the entire movement into disrepute by attempting to claim that he is one of us, we Anarchists revile bourgeois politics as much as you do, comrade.

 

[Plank of Wood]

Luxembourgists

 

[Thragka]

For freedom and an end to tyranny, the Democrats.

 

[marnues]

Rubbish. If we don't have freedom of speech then we are not a democracy. Socialism without democracy is barbarism... Moreover, the Luxemburgist platform doesn't even have a hint of liberal policy.

I applaud your audacity for using such an obvious contradiction.

 

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I applaud your audacity for using such an obvious contradiction.

I see no contradiction. Care to explain comrade?

 

[Xanthippus]

I applaud your audacity for using such an obvious contradiction.

Liberals do not have a monopoly on the ideas of democracy, free speech and personal autonomy. True enough, Liberal thought was the genesis of such ideas, but Social Anarchist thought has long since departed from the traditional school of Liberalism/Anarcho-Liberalism. Social Anarchy is the evolution of these ideas meshed with ideas of communal property, equality and international fraternity.

 

[Konnigratz]

Marxist-Leninists.
Lenin has proven time and time again that he is the man who is best for our Republic. He must be granted another term!

 

[tomy0619lee]

Luxemburgists!

We've seen enough reckless imperialism and creeping authoritarianism in the Republic.
Though I supported Lenin from the beginning his time has come to pass the baton to the next generation of true communists.

 

[WelshDude]

Rubbish. If we don't have freedom of speech then we are not a democracy. Socialism without democracy is barbarism.

I agree with you, but I think he was saying that just having free speech doesn't necessarily make you democratic.

I thought he meant 1:30 today.

Oh, okay. i thought you were whining it wasn't earlier. Sorry.

Tommy, how did you represent the unions and independent collectives ingame? And if you have no capitalists you must be paying a lot of subsidies! Are you sure that's not how the treasury collapsed?

If the Luxemburgists political reforms are adopted, with the chairman elected purely by the Party, will it be elected by AV? Option 2 in the referendum? I may have to vote tactically otherwise.

 

[yourworstnightm]

Comrades! It's soon time to get the election results and see which faction will guide the Republic for the next couple of years. I hope that faction will embrace the true revolution and put Socialism and the interests of the Working Class before Self Interest, and stop the Bourgeois infiltration in the Republic. Also I hope the winning faction will embrace Total Revolution, and start a program to abolish Capitalist influenced culture and support a new International Socialist language, to replace the false languages of the Bourgeois.

 

[lordvagrant]

Democrats

Down with the Tyrant, freedom for the people

 

[Gergenuss]

This is an interesting point.
Our Workers are all pretty wealthy. The problem is that prices are rather odd. The most worrying thing is that food prices are very high whilst commodity prices are very low. On top of this it would be increasingly difficult for the state to provide adequate housing. This means that it living conditions are on the slide and it is becoming increasingly difficult for workers to feed their families and have money left over. However they can do as much shoping as they want .

It sounds like there is a world shortage of basic resources, a continuation of "liberating" Africas resource rich provinces, for the needs of the people, should solve the problem, from my experience

 

[Enewald]

Rubbish. If we don't have freedom of speech then we are not a democracy. Socialism without democracy is barbarism.



No the Luxemburgists would not. Their platform is not to attack unless we are attacked, that does not mean they aim to withdraw all support for international revolution and pander to the Capitalist powers to outrightly avoid any war whatsoever. Moreover, the Luxemburgist platform doesn't even have a hint of liberal policy. It successfully blends the best of Marxist philosophy, without the authoritarian leanings of Lenin, with the best of Anarchism. It seems to suit many comrades too well to attempt to sully Anarchist thought with the taint of liberal, borugeois thought. With the exception of Enewald, who throws the entire movement into disrepute by attempting to claim that he is one of us, we Anarchists revile bourgeois politics as much as you do, comrade.

I am more anarchist than anything else. Which means, I do vote for them because the other factions suck even more.
And because there is no Enewaldist faction.

I find your lack of faith disturbing.

I am what I am.

 

[yourworstnightm]

I am very much disturbed by how many Anarchist are putting their support behind the Bourgeois traitors. The Anarchists used to be enlightened revolutionaries, unwilling to compromise the Socialist ideas. I was once very much a supporter of the Anarchist idea myself. Well, I am not anymore, but I still respect many Anarchists and their ideas, and is worried, when people who used to be valiant champions of worker's rights ally with the enemies of the Revolution.

 

[WelshDude]

Democrats

Down with the Tyrant, freedom for the people

Good decisision Comrade! Democrats FTW!

I am very much disturbed by how many Anarchist are putting their support behind the Bourgeois traitors. The Anarchists used to be enlightened revolutionaries, unwilling to compromise the Socialist ideas. I was once very much a supporter of the Anarchist idea myself. Well, I am not anymore, but I still respect many Anarchists and their ideas, and is worried, when people who used to be valiant champions of worker's rights ally with the enemies of the Revolution.

We are not traitors to the revolution, we simply do not want any more needless bloodshed! Many people say Lenin has fought to further the revolution. Well, is Russia socialist? France? the UK? All these nations we have fought under his watch, yet are they socialist? Lenin wages war for the sake of war, not socialism!

 

[yourworstnightm]

Good decisision Comrade! Democrats FTW!



We are not traitors to the revolution, we simply do not want any more needless bloodshed! Many people say Lenin has fought to further the revolution. Well, is Russia socialist? France? the UK? All these nations we have fought under his watch, yet are they socialist? Lenin wages war for the sake of war, not socialism!

I acctually agree that more focus must be done to further the Revolution at home, than spreading it outwards right now. The fact that the nations that have had Communist revolutions haven't joined the VSVR, but instead kept their false bourgeois nation states saddens me, and have convinced me the time for a World Revolution is not yet here. The new Luxemburgist faction is the ones I hope win, but the Democrats are clearly not Socialists, and only want to destroy the revolution.

 

[Konnigratz]

I acctually agree that more focus must be done to further the Revolution at home, than spreading it outwards right now. The fact that the nations that have had Communist revolutions haven't joined the VSVR, but instead kept their false bourgeois nation states saddens me

This, comrades, is an issue that simply must be rectified at once. The Comintern should not exist - every 'state' should be incorporated into the VSVR! Many of the states are reverting to their old, oppressive bourgeois ways. The fervour of the Revolution is dying. Spain, comrades, must be artificially propped up and protected from the people they should be working to free! We already successfully have Germans, Belgians, Poles, and many other ethnic groups within our glorious republic; we can easily incorporate more. The nation state is a bourgeois creation, meant only to divide and cause strife between the people. So why do we allow it to continue to exist?

 

[Tommy4ever]

I am more anarchist than anything else.

I found this quite amusing.

With an hour to go we have an impressive 71 votes. We've not just surpassed the previous record turnout. We've smashed it.

If you are yet to vote then do so now. This is your last chance!

 

[Tommy4ever]

Sorry for the double post but I found this quite amusing.

After coming directly from this thread.

Those revisionists are everywhere!

 

[Enewald]

I found this quite amusing.

With an hour to go we have an impressive 71 votes. We've not just surpassed the previous record turnout. We've smashed it.

If you are yet to vote then do so now. This is your last chance!

Well what am I then?
I hate all those damned commies and want to bring them down. In name of anarchy!
Destroy the state, destroy the party, kill Lenin and his slaves!
Doom everyone to freedom and competition!