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i hope worker support doesn't collapse. It seems the easiest way to balance the budget would be to heavily/moderately industrialize Africa, M-L are the only party that support this fully
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Paradox has a game mechanic whereby if pops are not meeting needs the ruling party's policy is discredited and the opposite propped up. Since Lenin's (and Luxemburg's) policies protectionism and planned economy, free trade and state capitalism is encouraged. So... Democrats for the win!
Your arguments is that I eat babies?
And the faction I vote is thus also malicious?
The anarchists will be bach, retribution shall come...
NEVER! We'll never let you steal the greatest Organist this Revolution has produced! Death to those who would attempt to sully the Maestro of Eisenach!
Tommy, another question (i'm very intrested in the in-game mechanics of this AAR) before we joined you in 1850 did you have to fight off the Prussians to keep the VSVR alive?
I admit I'm a bit closer to the Luxemburgist position, and hope Bernstein concedes this in the coalition agreement, but my position is that rather than waging war with capitalist nation we should help fund revolutions in them. Should revolution break out then I would not be adverse to sending heavy equipment and perhaps volunteer forces(Spanish Civil War Style) but we should stop short of war.
I admit I'm a bit closer to the Luxemburgist position, and hope Bernstein concedes this in the coalition agreement, but my position is that rather than waging war with capitalist nation we should help fund revolutions in them. Should revolution break out then I would not be adverse to sending heavy equipment and perhaps volunteer forces(Spanish Civil War Style) but we should stop short of war.
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This election is kinda difficult for me, since I don't really like any of the factions and their respective political programs.
Anyway, I vote for the Moderates.
The lesser evil.
Anyway, I vote for the Moderates.
The lesser evil.
Be patient. Tommy doesn't sit around on the Paradox forums 24/7 just waiting for people to comment.
Shh, he is watching.
Anyway, how do you think Luxemburg is going to be different from Lenin?
L = L
Recipe for disaster.
In addition to the problems you have highlighted above, remember our republic is currently in the middle of a budget deficit. Our country has been dependent on capitalist loans achieved by a capitalist method (ie. investment and borrowing) for some time now. These methods were put into place by none other than Lenin, one of the most devout Marxists in our republic.
Now is not the time to be idealistic, now is the time to be realistic. I assure you that the Democrats economic platform is a temporary measure to get our economy back to scratch, once we have freed ourself from debt, we can continue on the correct economic path.
Then maybe some party members can see that the capitalistic method must be used to make our revolution victorious.
Free economy must be achieved or else we risk economic stagnation.
Our current model limits the growth and is not fair.
Comrade Lenin is a Leninist first and a Marxist second. True Marxists would never entertain the thought of dealing with Capitalists in the way Lenin has, and particularly not the way the Democrats intend to.
The 'free market' is only free for the rich. Markets need to be abolished, not freed. The market serves one purpose and one purpose only: to redistribute wealth and resources inequitably and permit the accumulation of surplus capital in the hands of a wealthy few. Growth in particular is the exact opposite of what we need! It is unchecked growth that has gotten us into this mess in the first place.
That is not the issue, Lenin has not only entertained that thought, he has acted upon it. It appears to me that your answer to the debt crisis is to pretend it never happened.
Again, you only recite tired old ideals and provide no solutions. We all know the evils of the capitalist system, it is after all why we became party members in the first place, but how can we possibly continue on the path to revolution when our people are not getting proper healthcare, or pensions, or subsidies? Our debt crisis is a reality, cutting social services is a reality. You cannot use idealism to fight facts.
Democrats
We need some peace, comrades. The treasury is boned, and the economy needs no small amount of attention either. The rural proletariat have waited long enough for political inclusion. And any moves to further rend the country with excessively anti-religious policies is not in anyone's interest.
I really do hope that the Luxemburgists and the Democrats can work in partnership together, to rebuild the country and the movement after the chaos of the last few decades.
(Honestly I think we need to hold off on WC for the moment... especially given that we've still got 45 years left in-game. If we're going to do it, we should really do it properly)
Edit: Great minds, konkoe
We need some peace, comrades. The treasury is boned, and the economy needs no small amount of attention either. The rural proletariat have waited long enough for political inclusion. And any moves to further rend the country with excessively anti-religious policies is not in anyone's interest.
I really do hope that the Luxemburgists and the Democrats can work in partnership together, to rebuild the country and the movement after the chaos of the last few decades.
(Honestly I think we need to hold off on WC for the moment... especially given that we've still got 45 years left in-game. If we're going to do it, we should really do it properly)
Edit: Great minds, konkoe
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People keep saying the Democrats are pacifist, when in fact they are simply seeing the current state of our nation. We are in debt to the foreign powers as it is. More war coupled to the growing debt at home could send us into bankruptcy. Even with the worlds greatest land army, we could not with stand the potential force if when we go into the next war Britain and some other power intervened. Even if we ended up victorious on all Continental fronts, the economic isolation and blockade would likely cripple us. The Democrats simply don't plan to have much war in the next five years (most other parties will probably forced to face the reality also) if thing turn around during their term then we could see the minor coalition partners nudging Democrats into a war or two (assuming we have a Democrat led government which looks unlikely).
Out of character for a moment, the only way I've ever succeeded economically late game is using radical capitalism coupled with a strong safety net. Strong social reforms especially in health and unemployment bring good immigrants, and I leave rich taxes at zero as well as tariffs. I have 15% unemployment mostly because my capitalists cannot build and expand factories fast enough to keep up with growth and immigration (every profitable factory is in constant expansion, and even some unprofitable ones that the capitalists reopen to eke out small profit spikes). I think this suggests that the economics of the game go haywire at the end of the game (I ended up with 70,000 industry score, and industry was essentially the only factor among the biggest great powers).
Maybe other people have seen other successful strategies late game, but this does not bode well for the AAR. Also I haven't seen many AAR's going this far (i.e. 1920's and 30's)
EDIT: Saxifrage has said essentially the same just before me. I also echo his other sentiments, the Democrats are realists on foreign policy, reluctant realists on economics, and on social issues seek to recify the mistakes of the past and tackle an issue that has been ignored and avoided for too long.
Out of character for a moment, the only way I've ever succeeded economically late game is using radical capitalism coupled with a strong safety net. Strong social reforms especially in health and unemployment bring good immigrants, and I leave rich taxes at zero as well as tariffs. I have 15% unemployment mostly because my capitalists cannot build and expand factories fast enough to keep up with growth and immigration (every profitable factory is in constant expansion, and even some unprofitable ones that the capitalists reopen to eke out small profit spikes). I think this suggests that the economics of the game go haywire at the end of the game (I ended up with 70,000 industry score, and industry was essentially the only factor among the biggest great powers).
Maybe other people have seen other successful strategies late game, but this does not bode well for the AAR. Also I haven't seen many AAR's going this far (i.e. 1920's and 30's)
EDIT: Saxifrage has said essentially the same just before me. I also echo his other sentiments, the Democrats are realists on foreign policy, reluctant realists on economics, and on social issues seek to recify the mistakes of the past and tackle an issue that has been ignored and avoided for too long.
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I was actually talking about everyone else. Four hours with no discussion is very long for this thread, particularly in an election.
Luxemburgists
This is the moment I've been waiting for since the beginning of this AAR. We will finally have the inimitable Rosa Luxemburg as our Chairwoman, and the revolution will be stronger than ever.
This is the moment I've been waiting for since the beginning of this AAR. We will finally have the inimitable Rosa Luxemburg as our Chairwoman, and the revolution will be stronger than ever.
That's no reason to be impatient.
I couldn't agree with you more (for once) thekonkoe, remember comrades what happened when Napoleon thought he could take on the world and win.
That should be our faction manifesto!
It took you 3 hours in the middle of the day to get agitated? Patience is a virute WelshDude.
I edited the game to create the VSVR in 1836. Then I placed an LF Party with free trade, residency and everything else I could think of that was capitalists (they were called the anti-revolutionaries
) and left things until 1850. I had expected the Prussians to attack, but they never di. Quite impressively I was actually once attacked by the vile Frenchies but won a WP (I put everything in the Saar and waited until they gave up). Despite becoming a GP during this period I didn't use any influence points. I also researched mostly industrial techs. That's basically how we got to 1850 - I'll admit Prussia's timidity towards me from game start until I annexed them was kinda disapointing.
@ those blaming Lenin for being the first to borrow money:
It was during Kropotkin's reign that things went to shit really with my finances. My attempts to cut taxes came at just the wrong time whilst unlike previous terms I played that one in several short chunks and as well all know whenever you load up the game your economy crashes and you rack up huge debts - in a country the size of the VSVR each reload translates into 10,000s of £s lost.
About late game economics:
I've never played past 1902 in a V2 game. How bad does the economy get in the 20th century?
Finally, POLLS!
Total - 55 (very impressive, this may well be a record breaking election
)Lux - 21
Dems - 14
M-Ls - 13
Mils - 5
Mods - 2
Interesting results.
With it now clear that the Dems are going to do rather well I've been thinking of who I could add to that faction. I've settled on Julius Martov (the leader of the RL Mensheviks) as a definite. Enewald will no doubt rage at another Slav entering our Germanic Socialist Imperium but I quite like Martov (although not his politics) so he gets in. I reckon we can have a 3rd Dem and that leaves a question - Jaures or Ebert ?
For a Republic once filled with important Frenchmen we haven't had any for some time so Juares might be a decent catch. However France is now a Republic so he might have less reason to come over. Ebert is also a German but might be a bit of a drag on the Democrat support here in the AAR due to his position as a bit of a hate figure for his RL betrayals of socialism. So I'm undecided.
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