Let the ruling classes tremble – an Interactive Revolutionary AAR

[WelshDude]

If i may do some roleplay... "Personally I don't think Lenin has a chance. The Moderate won't form a coalition with the Militarists and he can't settle for one of them. The only question is whether they'll be a coalition or a majority, if the Marxist-Leninist support collapse with the workers." That was political pundit Comrade Vileinater commenting on the election.

 

[LordTempest]

Luxemburgists, hoping for a coalition with a warlike faction.

Potential Coalition Partners: Moderates, Democrats and Marxist-Leninists (unlikely)

Although Tommy hasn't ruled out the possibility of a Marxist-Leninist/Luxemburgist coalition, I think the chances of one are very unlikely, and there is no way the Luxemburgists will form a coalition with the Militarists.

 

[KomodoWaran]

Looking at the game (I went in to get the stats for the Workers' Vote) I've noticed that several African territories are now states. What d'you guys think? Should I bring industry to the Dark Continent?

Of course!
Just keeping them for their raw materials and their value as a market would be downright imperialist.
We can't allow that!

 

[Tommy4ever]

Latest Poll:

Total: 31

Lux: 10

Democrats: 9

M-Ls: 7

Militarists: 4

Moderates: 1

 

[Mr. Sometimes]

Looks very exciting so far!

 

[Dyranum]

Hmm, it looks like it'll be a close one.
I wonder how popular the new factions are with the workers.

 

[cpteveros]

Marxist-Leninist

Anarchists and Independents won for the first time last election. They destroyed our country's economy, and nearly ruined everything we have worked for. Lenin has shown through repeated bouts as chairman, he can do the necessary things to find solutions. Why vote out the man that has held us all together? Do you not remember Gigantomania? How about every successful war we have fought under him? Lenin is the glue holding the VSVR together. Some may not enjoy his policies but that is irrelevant considering his achievements. Yes, he may not share your political views, but what difference does it make? We are all Comrades here, and that is what matters. Vote accordingly.

 

[KomodoWaran]

We propose a new system of Council Communism. Each individual factory, farm and mine shall elect a single representative. These representatives shall meet together in Workers’ Councils (or Soviets) in local areas. For example there would be a Soviet in Berlin, in Leipzig, in Magdeburg and in Danzig. Each Soviet will have attached to it an economic Commissar. The Commissar shall act as a go between, betwixt the Soviet and Cologne and shall organise Soviet funding. Then the Soviet shall use these funds in order to expand industry. With this decentralised economic system the state will still be able to pump funds into areas it wishes to but the local Soviets shall be able to spot problems that the central government cannot.

Why does comrade Luxemburg insist on using the Russian word for "Räte" when describing her new economic system?
Did Lenin also have a linguistic impact on the VSVR?

We need a new democratic system. We should develop a two tier system. The Chairman should be elected by Party vote alone. The Constituent Assembly should be elected by the people alone. The Assembly should act as merely an advisory body – its largest faction should have a representative in the Central Committee (which shall replace the Politburo as the centre of government) who shall communicate the Assembly’s view to the Committee. This way the Party and People can both elect their own representatives and shall both have bodies that represent them directly.

What the magma?
That would actually be less democratic than before!
If the Assembly is reduced to an advisory body, we are essentially going back to a party member democracy. It seems like comrade Luxemburg doesn't really trust the people.

 

[LordTempest]

Hmm, it looks like it'll be a close one.
I wonder how popular the new factions are with the workers.

I'd say the traditional Marxist vote will be split between the Leninists, the Luxembergists and the Moderates while the Democrats will get most of the old Anarchist vote and the Militarists will receive support from the military.

 

[Enewald]

Why does comrade Luxemburg insist on using the Russian word for "Räte" when describing her new economic system?
Did Lenin also have a linguistic impact on the VSVR?




What the magma?
That would actually be less democratic than before!
If the Assembly is reduced to an advisory body, we are essentially going back to a party member democracy. It seems like comrade Luxemburg doesn't really trust the people.

And that is why Luxemburg is nearly as bad as Lenin.
Except I have not yet been fighting Luxemburg nor have they been killing anarchists...

Räte's would just take the old place of unions, building some sort of Schicht between the workers and the rulers, blinding both efficiently from knowing about the aims and needs of the other ones.

Democrats are the least worst alternative, for now.
Best would be anarchy, but that is not the option now...

 

[thekonkoe]

Is anyone else put off that we are using the word Soviet rather than Rat (the German equivalent). One weird thing though would be that even though the German plural i Raete, the Anglicized version would almost certainly be Rats hence we would have the government run by the Rats which just sounds weird.

On second thought that sounds awesome. I can just imagine Enewald saying something like human thought has been corrupted by counter-revolutionary influences it is time we handed power to the animals. And what animal is more oppressed and run down and urban than the rat. Truly the rats are the greatest of the proletarians.

EDIT: Just noticed that this just came up, unfortunately Enewald's response is not what I had hoped:

 

[thekonkoe]

Democrats

Unfortunately the militarists have gone a bit farther left in their economics, and abandoned the farmers, such a dark day. We need war, but not without freedom and sound policy at home.

 

[LordTempest]

Democrats are the least worst alternative, for now.
Best would be anarchy, but that is not the option now...

Judging from past policies, aren't you anarchists supposed to love the unions?

 

[thekonkoe]

Judging from past policies, aren't you anarchists supposed to love the unions?

The Anarchists became disillusioned with the unions before they came to power. The unions were seen as overly corrupt, and had become cnsolidated and bloated to the point that they weren't much better than Leninist bureaucracy.

Ironically I think this might be the same reason the Leninist didn't like them, they were they were the competition.

 

[LordTempest]

And what animal is more oppressed and run down and urban than the rat. Truly the rats are the greatest of the proletarians.

Rats are like capitalists, they live off the labour of others, they steal their food from the proletarians who earn theirs through hard work.

The Anarchists became disillusioned with the unions before they came to power. The unions were seen as overly corrupt, and had become cnsolidated and bloated to the point that they weren't much better than Leninist bureaucracy.

That makes sense, thank you.

 

[LOka]

Marxist-Leninists!

 

[KomodoWaran]

OOC:
BTW, Tommy were you able to put the African Socialist Republic and its cores into the game?

 

[Tommy4ever]

OOC:
BTW, Tommy were you able to put the African Socialist Republic and its cores into the game?

Frustratingly no.

I will revive my attempts to add the cores closer to when they will be needed.

To those who didn't like the use of Soviet:

I cannot write Rate on my keyboard as I lack the umlaut. But I can write Soviet.

Soviet is generally seen as a word meaning the exact same thing as Rate.

Soviet is more internationally recognised. People will know what it means more than Rate.

I don't understand why anyone would be put off by the use of the word Soviet instead of Rate.

 

[Phalanxia]

Besides, "soviet" is now for all intents and purposes a word in English, and you could always RP it as the translation of Räte into English. Even the article linked about the Bayerische Räterepublik is given in English as the Bavarian Soviet Republic.

 

[calum the VI]

Marxist-Leninist