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Tanzhang (譚張) said:
Okay, I'm going to post the next chapter now it fit's in with the contest. Please bear in mind that this chapter is only a work in progress and more content will be added within the next day or two, when I consider it completed I'll let you guys know so please refrain from commenting until then, that way you can comment on the whole chapter, rather than just two or three quarters of it. :)
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Thank you Tanzhang for your last chapter for the contest, the edit to complete this chapter is granted.
Please be mindfull not to get over the contest limits tough :)
 
Alexspeed said:
Thank you Tanzhang for your last chapter for the contest, the edit to complete this chapter is granted.
Please be mindfull not to get over the contest limits tough :)
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Could you quickly elaborate on those contest limits?
 
Alexspeed said:
I meant the word & image limits, but i am sure you are allready aware of them :)
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The reason that I asked was because i was sure i was over 400 words and i figured you would have only brought it up if i was under.
 
Tanzhang (譚張) said:
The reason that I asked was because i was sure i was over 400 words and i figured you would have only brought it up if i was under.
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I just felt the need to say it because i assumed you could get over 2000 words,
when thats only a small part of your update, wasnt meant in a bad way :)

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The Contest has reached its end now, and is closed for further chapters!

Anything posted after this posting will not be taken in account from any judge.
You are also free to continue your AAR in any style and form that you prefer,
and arnt bound by any contest rules any more.

Thank you very much for your participation!

The final Overview Posting is here!

The judging is in progress, watch the contest thread
for the announcment of the scores as soon as i get them. :)
 
Okay, I've finished up with Chapter Eight, feel free to comment away! :)

As you may have guessed since we have passed 1870 we have researched Machine Guns and thus started colonising, but I'll include that in the next election update as part of the Royalist's platform.
 
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Wait ... Did you somehow annex Luxemburg?

I feel mixed feelings towards these Anarchists. They seem to have totally betrayed virtually every tenent of the Anarchist ideology. On the other hand their stance against religion is both brave and admirable, we can only hope that it shall be successful too. However the attack of Mecca seems pointlessly destructive, totally against the Anarchist idile and worse still blatantly Imperialistic. Perhaps the loss of the Phillipines will be the kick up the backsides these faux-Anarchists need to begin revolutionary change.

Viva le Anarchism!
 
Tommy4ever said:
Wait ... Did you somehow annex Luxemburg?

I feel mixed feelings towards these Anarchists. They seem to have totally betrayed virtually every tenent of the Anarchist ideology. On the other hand their stance against religion is both brave and admirable, we can only hope that it shall be successful too. However the attack of Mecca seems pointlessly destructive, totally against the Anarchist idile and worse still blatantly Imperialistic. Perhaps the loss of the Phillipines will be the kick up the backsides these faux-Anarchists need to begin revolutionary change.

Viva le Anarchism!
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No I didn't annex Luxembourg, It is however, no longer in the French SoI. The only real affect this will have on the AAR is that Election updates will now feature Luxembourg as an extra seat.

I do too find it odd that the first thing an Anarcho-Liberal government would do upon assuming power would be to go warmongering in Hedjaz, especially considering the miserable state of the Spanish Armed forces. That's the Vicky 2 AI for you!

Personally I see nothing admirable in gunning people down because of what they believe or the destruction of irreplaceable historical buildings but hey, to each his own.

As for any territory we may try to gain from this, at this point in the game even Micronesia is a state, let alone the three regions which make up The Philippines. Thus any hopes of The Netherlands emulating the conquests of the US in 1898 would be unlikely to be fulfilled.
 
@ Tanzhang: I wasn't necessarily glorifying the methods of the Anarchists but their aim. The destruction of religion should be the primary aim of all true far-left parties, even more important than the redistribution of wealth or the breaking down of social classes as it is a prequisite to socialism. This should be done through education, the changing of the cultural view of religion (eg removing its protective aura of respect) and if worse comes to worse and your in a hurry I wouldn't be opposed to anti-religious laws. But as always changing people's opinions through choice is more effective and just than by force. Gunning down worshipers is not just immoral but counter-productive as it allows the church-goers to paint themselves as the victims and provides them with that precious currency of martyrs. I support the brave aim to be an Atheist nation in a Christian world but not neccessarily the methods of defeating this foe.

/rant over
 
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Middelkerke: I wish! Just taking the Philippines will give me 30 BB points (anything over 25 is bad on Vicky II) and unfortunately restoring the Carlists isn't a game recognised casus beli.

Tommy: That's the aim of the Far-Right Parties? I swear i'll never vote Tory again :D

On a more game-related note, I haven't actually declared war on Spain yet, because I haven't decided what casus beli to use. What territory do you, my loyal readers, think I should claim from Spain? (remember, each region costs 10 BB) Also, since the whole point of this war is to restore the Carlists is there any way I can make Spain an Absolute Monarchy legally? (ie. without save editing)
 
Cuba, Morocco? To be honest nothing makes as much sense as taking whatever you can of the Philippines islands.

Tanzhang (譚張) said:
Tommy: That's the aim of the Far-Right Parties? I swear i'll never vote Tory again :D
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:rofl: To be honest, anything in the far far right is going to be so immoral that any pretence of religion will just be an excuse anyway.
 
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:rofl:
 
Tanzhang (譚張) said:
On a more game-related note, I haven't actually declared war on Spain yet, because I haven't decided what casus beli to use. What territory do you, my loyal readers, think I should claim from Spain? (remember, each region costs 10 BB)
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The Balearic Isles. For that coaling station in the Med, when your steamers are on the way to the Suez Canal.
Or else Cadiz, for the same reason, and to piss off the english, that you have a bigger base than Gibraltar....
 
On a more game-related note, I haven't actually declared war on Spain yet, because I haven't decided what casus beli to use. What territory do you, my loyal readers, think I should claim from Spain? (remember, each region costs 10 BB) Also, since the whole point of this war is to restore the Carlists is there any way I can make Spain an Absolute Monarchy legally? (ie. without save editing)
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Or you could give yourself a break and consider all of Spain's Pacific territories one unit, netting you 10BB (I did this in my Japan game). I don't think it's ridiculous to edit away the 30 extra BB (10BB per the three Philippine regions and 10 for Micronesia) as would the Great Powers really get mad if you took the whole Philippines, as opposed to just Luzon? For the sake of a clean-looking map I say edit out the extra.

To take an example, let's look at the U.S. acquisitions in the Spanish-American War in a Vic2 context. We'll give the USA the benefit of a "Free People" CB for Cuba because of the USS Maine incident; even with that the US would wrack up 40BB for its conquests in the Spanish-American War! (8BB each for Place in the Sun; IIRC Puetro Rico is in a separate state from Cuba) Now, I don't know about you all but I don't seem to remember the US facing major containment wars through the McKinley-Roosevelt Presidencies. If anything the real world outrage came upon hearing of the US conduct in the guerrilla war in the Philippines AFTER the United States took control, as opposed to when it wrested control from Spain.

In summation, I think 10BB for their Pacific holdings would be very fair.
 
I love that Frederik's response to Anarcho-Bourgeois Spain is a 'hmn, this oughta be useful in uniting people and bringing glory to the crown.' He is quite seriously the most practical monarch in ever. Of course, I'm interested to see if Anarcho-Liberal rebels get some sort of fervor bonus to combat skills outside of spawning massive stacks of angry artisans at inopportune times... ;)

Tommy4ever - Thanks for your /ranting, I personally agree. As an anarcho-syndicalist myself (and a very faithful man, although one *could* make the argument my faith is a total joke. And Eris isn't telling, fwehehe) I can't say I'm in favor of the destruction of religion itself - maybe organized religion, mind, but I am disappointed by the needless violence and Hedjaz-bashing these rebels have put into action! Indeed, it seems to me that they combine the worst traits with this sort of 'anarchy' and and this sort of liberalism! Horror of horrors! xD Good points, even if you did have a rather amusing lil' mistake in there. ;P (it happens to the best of us).

Tanzhang - Absolutely awesome update - not that there's one that isn't. :) That archaeology chain is lovely indeed - but it doesn't really solve your casus belli problems. From a game standpoint, what I'd do is make a country tag of Carlist Spain, giving it cores on all it's provinces and oversea territories, and use the free people casus belli. Failing that, however? I like the idea of taking the Baleares. A naval power needs bases for power projection, and it gives you some interesting future opportunities. And if Spain acts uppity? Frederik can blockade their ports, letting the miserable revolutionaries starve inneffectually as his warfleets halt all trade and goods. Taking the Phillipenes is ideal, but I honestly don't know how to make it work, BB wise. Sorry about that. :/ At least the fruits of partial union and archaeology await!
 
Thanks for the input guys!

aldriq: Well Morocco is the only Spanish colony that hasn't been made into a state yet but you're right, nothing makes as much sense as the Asian colonies.

Clydwich: Personally I'm against taking any territory from mainland Spain. King Frederik's main ambition here is to liberate Spain and restore the Carlists, it wouldn't really be a war of liberation if we demanded a concession of (mainland) Spanish land now would it?

Middelkerke: Puerto Rico is part of the West Indies (like St. Martin) whereas the Caymans, Jamaica and Cuba are part of a separate region (Greater Antilles). We could release (just) Cuba, but that would be rather pointless, wouldn't you think?

Alyosha: Welcome back! You make a very good point and one I'm inclined to agree with. Thank you.

Communitarian: The problem with that is, most Spanish colonies aren't Spanish cores! (Micronesia, Fernando Po and Canarias are the only ones with cores, I checked) So it would actually be fairer (and a hell of a lot less work!) just to change Spain to an Absolute Monarchy via save edit.

Also remember that Spain is just currently besieging Medina, and we haven't declared war yet! I'll bet they'll annex Hedjaz before the war is over. Speaking of, I think a free people CB is the right solution for Hedjaz, wouldn't you agree?
 
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