Let the ruling classes tremble – an Interactive Revolutionary AAR

[winsingtonIII]

The interesting thing is, that even though it is the Anarchists pushing for the vote for the farmers, giving the vote to them would probably weaken the Anarchists most out of all the major parties. At least that's my assumption because farmers in this game are usually overwhelmingly conservative and I really doubt the Anarchists are getting the conservative votes.

That begs the question, who should get the conservative votes? And I think that this is a bit of a problem from a practical perspective of the AAR when it comes to giving the farmers the vote, because suddenly the worker's vote is much more conservative, and it doesn't really make sense for true conservatives to support any of these parties.... This is, of course, assuming that the farmers are conservative in this game, and if Tommy4ever says otherwise, then obviously my speculation is unnecessary.

 

[naggy]

Ironically, shouldn't conservatives back the Anarchists (no new reforms)?

 

[Seek75]

That's kind of what I was thinking.

I dunno though; guess we'll have to wait until Tommy provides us with an answer.

Oh ya, someone asked about activating Fascists a while back: there's actually an event that will activate Fascists. I can't really remember what number it is, but I'm pretty sure you can find it somewhere in the Cheats thread (or in the game-files, I think it would just be easier to look at the cheats thread though). Whether or not Tommy's willing to do it though is another story. =/

 

[winsingtonIII]

Ironically, shouldn't conservatives back the Anarchists (no new reforms)?

You may be right, I didn't think about it that way...

 

[Tommy4ever]

Ironically, shouldn't conservatives back the Anarchists (no new reforms)?

At the moment the Anarchists get a big slice of the conservate vote. As you guys have noted farmers will greatly increase the amount of conservatives. However, as always , I'm one step ahead and already have a solution to this problem should it emerge.

 

[LordTempest]

At the moment the Anarchists get a big slice of the conservate vote. As you guys have noted farmers will greatly increase the amount of conservatives. However, as always , I'm one step ahead and already have a solution to this problem should it emerge.

Return of the Trade Unionists?

 

[Tommy4ever]

The poster Telarias has been helping me make an event that will give the tag TRI (the future tag of the Pan-African state) cores over all Africa. However we seem to have reached an impasse as the event still isn't working despite a couple of edits.

Without this event the Pan-African state can never be a reailty as adding the cores manually is simply impossible (believe me I've tried but it wasn't worth it).

So please turn up at this thread: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?508311-Could-someone-please-help-me-make-an-event

and help me make the Pan-African state!

Thanks in advance to anyone who helps.

 

[Necazian]

Return of the Trade Unionists?

Perhaps a "Agricultural Faction"

I would like to help you Tommy4ever, but my modding skills are quite limited, really.

 

[Tommy4ever]

Perhaps a "Agricultural Faction"

You couldn't possibly mean the Agricultural Labour League, putting farmer's needs forwards since 1871, could you?

It would be quite ridiculous for the farmers not to form their own faction if they were enfranchised. They'd make up 1/2 of the electorate and the every last one of the existing factions is an urban entity with most maintaining a deep loathing of the farmers. Indeed the Anarchists are the only ones who can stand them and even then they are hardly 'fans' of those smelly country folk.

So yeah, giving the vote to the farmers would create a new political power. However I reckon the new league would barely scrape half of the farmer's votes so we're only talking about it getting 20-25% of the vote in all.

 

[Kadon]

How are farmers treated by the People's Republic? Do they get all the same benefits as the proletariat, just without the representation?

 

[Tommy4ever]

How are farmers treated by the People's Republic? Do they get all the same benefits as the proletariat, just without the representation?

On the face of it they are treated pretty much the same. They get all the same freedoms and social benefits etc. However as you noted they get no representation (right now) and tend to stay away from politics either through choice or through quiet encouragement.

We might be trying to create a classless society but this rural classes are clearly treated differently. They are generally looked down upon by both state and proletariat alike.

On top of this there is a clear conflict between farmer and worker. The farmers will always want the price of their produce to be as high as possible for obvious reasons whilst the workers need those prices to be as low as possible so they can both eat and so their factories can make a decent profit which in turn makes them richer. The state is clearly on the side of the worker so essentially shafts the farmer by keeping the prices of what they produce lower than it would be in a capitalist society. This benefits the workers, gives us money from the exports of our industry with which to invest in further industrialisation and other areas whilst leaving the farmer as the poor chump at the end.

France, Britain, Russia and America have industrialised with the wealth they plunder from other nations and by opressing their proletarians in every manner possible. We cannot use plundered wealth nor can we opress our workers. Instead we gain wealth through the export of our industrial produce and to keep this going at the end of the day it is the farmer who has to get squeezed.

So as you can see they are theoretically equal but in reality things are rather different.

 

[Raph]

The poster Telarias has been helping me make an event that will give the tag TRI (the future tag of the Pan-African state) cores over all Africa. However we seem to have reached an impasse as the event still isn't working despite a couple of edits.

Without this event the Pan-African state can never be a reailty as adding the cores manually is simply impossible (believe me I've tried but it wasn't worth it).

So please turn up at this thread: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?508311-Could-someone-please-help-me-make-an-event

and help me make the Pan-African state!

Thanks in advance to anyone who helps.

I'm not much of a modder, but this made me think of an old V2 game of mine:

Sokoto People's Republic. Some similarities with this scenario actually, what with the world revoution and Pan-African socialism. Only in my game it was spread by the Africans themselves.

 

[scholar]

Anarchists

 

[Seek75]

I may have asked this before, but when the VSVR encompasses all of the German Empire (plus Belgium and possibly Luxembourg, of course), will you ennact Three Hurrahs and become Germany? Or will you remain as the VSVR?

 

[keynes2.0]

The VSVR is an edited version of Germany to start with. He can't change to germany because the tag is taken.

 

[Seek75]

Oh. Was hoping for an actual Germany, but alas, it is not to be, I suppose.

 

[LordTempest]

Oh. Was hoping for an actual Germany, but alas, it is not to be, I suppose.

That would kinda defeat the purpose of an international Socialist revolution wouldn't it?

 

[Tommy4ever]

Polls are now closed.

 

[Tommy4ever]

Your going to have to trust me that these figures aren't a piss take. Again its come down to almost meaningless margins.

Again all percentages are rounded to 3 decimal figures.

First Party votes.

Total votes: 49 - worst yet and the first bellow 50 but considering I gave you such a short time to vote its far from disasterous.

United Front: 20 (40.816%)

Anarchists: 16 (32.653%)

Marxists: 13 (26.531%)

Workers' Vote:

Marxists: 37.1%

Anarchists: 35.275%

United Front: 27.625%

Final Tally:

United Front: 34.22%

Anarchists: 33.964%

Marxists: 31.816%

United Front wins by 0.256% !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Even more amazingly the 3rd place party came about 2.4% behind the United Front.

For how much longer can the party continue to abjectly ignore the will of the workers by voting for an unfavoured faction? For how much longer will the farmers lie back and accept thier lack of the franchise? How will the constituent assembly effect VSVR politics?

Find out next time on everyone's favourite interactive revolutionary AAR!

 

[Raph]

Your going to have to trust me that these figures aren't a piss take. Again its come down to almost meaningless margins.

Again all percentages are rounded to 3 decimal figures.

First Party votes.

Total votes: 49 - worst yet and the first bellow 50 but considering I gave you such a short time to vote its far from disasterous.

United Front: 20 (40.816%)

Anarchists: 16 (32.653%)

Marxists: 13 (26.531%)

Workers' Vote:

Marxists: 37.1%

Anarchists: 35.275%

United Front: 27.625%

Final Tally:

United Front: 34.22%

Anarchists: 33.964%

Marxists: 31.816%

United Front wins by 0.256% !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Even more amazingly the 3rd place party came about 2.4% behind the United Front.

For how much longer can the party continue to abjectly ignore the will of the workers by voting for an unfavoured faction? For how much longer will the farmers lie back and accept thier lack of the franchise? How will the constituent assembly effect VSVR politics?

Find out next time on everyone's favourite interactive revolutionary AAR!