Let the ruling classes tremble – an Interactive Revolutionary AAR

[Communard]

So comrades, come rally;
And the last fight let us face;
The Internationale unites the human race.

Speaking of that, I don't think you should split Russia up. The fewer states in the world, the better.

 

[Konnigratz]

Speaking of that, I don't think you should split Russia up. The fewer states in the world, the better.

Indeed, dividing the world based on nationality is one of the reasons the True Germans were expelled. We should be uniting the world, not dividing it.

 

[Raph]

MMStingray: It's nonsensical to compare a democratic worker's state waging a revolutionary war, to the petty struggles between the imperialists for land, resources and power. It's as nonsensical to compare a state where the workers are the active subjects taking up arms in war, to states where the workers are coerced and mainpulated into serving their own enemies. We don't fight this war against the workers of the imperialist powers, we fight it against their opressors. We don't aim to subjugate peoples and rob the land of resources, we aim to defeat the old elites and distribute the wealth and power to the entire people. We fight this war because if we don't, the ruling elites of the old empires will band together in agression and fear and bring everything they have to try and destroy our nation, and every step towards the ultimate freedom we've taken. We fight this war not only to free the workers of Europe, we fight it because we have to.

Seek75: Another nonsensical comparison; it's actually the other way around. We're the revolutionaries, they're the over-stretched opressive empire. We'll defeat them.

WelshDude: The British won't dare bring their occupation forces from India, so the odds are in fact a lot better.

 

[keynes2.0]

Yes, thank god we don't live in a state where the workers are coerced and manipulated into war. It would be horrible to live in a state that used conscription to mobilize the reserves or used appeals to patriotism and grand purpose to get people to volunteer for the armed forces. It's wonderful that we don't use the exact same methods as the capitalists to get the proletariat to fight for causes of the leaders choosing.

 

[Raph]

The big difference is that the well educated and politically conscious population of the VSVR have actually had a say in an election where the alternatives were very clear.

 

[Enewald]

The big difference is that the well educated and politically conscious population of the VSVR have actually had a say in an election where the alternatives were very clear.

Alternatives? Vote for Trotsky who promises only bloodshed, or vote for parties that are against warfare and for greater freedoms of common man?
The population has been forced to eat too much horse-dung, or why else would any sane citizen vote to get a war?

Marxists have been in power for too long, alienating opposition from the state. The state is what citizens see doing decisions that alter their lives. Marxists are becoming the state unless rooter out as soon as possible.
A healthy democracy changes rulers, here we have Russians inheriting the throne. Based on virtuous values such as ability to lead a division where ones subordinates harvest glory for one.

Oh how ironic;

Wir standen für Deutschland auf Posten
Und hielten die große Wacht.
Nun hebt sich die Sonne im Osten
Und ruft die Millionen zur Schlacht.
Von Finnland bis zum Schwarzen Meer:
Vorwärts, vorwärts!
Vorwärts nach Osten, du stürmend' Heer!
Freiheit das Ziel,
Sieg das Panier!
Führer(Trotsky???), befiehl!
Wir folgen dir!

Den Marsch von Karl Marx begonnen
Im roten Gewand der Rotgarden
Vollenden die grauen Kolonnen:
Die große Stunde ist da!
Von Finnland bis zum Schwarzen Meer:
Vorwärts, vorwärts!
Vorwärts nach Osten, du stürmend' Heer!
Freiheit das Ziel,
Sieg das Panier!
Führer, befiehl!
Wir folgen dir!

Nun brausen nach Osten die Heere
Ins russische Land hinein.
Kameraden, nun an die Gewehre!
Der Sieg wird unser sein!
Von Finnland bis zum Schwarzen Meer:
Vorwärts, vorwärts!
Vorwärts nach Osten, du stürmend' Heer!
Freiheit das Ziel,
Sieg das Panier!
Führer, befiehl!
Wir folgen dir!


And this is why we need to stop Trotsky.

 

[Raph]

Alternatives? Vote for Trotsky who promises only bloodshed, or vote for parties that are against warfare and for greater freedoms of common man?
The population has been forced to eat too much horse-dung, or why else would any sane citizen vote to get a war?

Marxists have been in power for too long, alienating opposition from the state. The state is what citizens see doing decisions that alter their lives. Marxists are becoming the state unless rooter out as soon as possible.
A healthy democracy changes rulers, here we have Russians inheriting the throne. Based on virtuous values such as ability to lead a division where ones subordinates harvest glory for one.

If you're in doubt, I'd just like to declare that I don't consider you to be a member of the well-educated and politically conscious population of the VSVR...

 

[ZechsMerquise73]

Most of the numbers come from Britain, which will have millions and millions of men in India. Most of those men probably won't come anywhere near the main front in any significant number, though Britain will probably be stupid and land small numbers of troops in places.

In a real world war like this, those 6 Million troops in India would surely storm Iran and Afghanistan; making the advance toward the CSR.

 

[Tommy4ever]

If you're in doubt, I'd just like to declare that I don't consider you to be a member of the well-educated and politically conscious population of the VSVR...

Hehe.

OK. I've finally finished the war and post-war editing.

I won't tell you the final result but lets just say lots of people die whilst fighting rages across 4 of the 6 inhabited continents.

 

[Tommy4ever]

In a real world war like this, those 6 Million troops in India would surely storm Iran and Afghanistan; making the advance toward the CSR.

But this is Victoria 2 ....

The British Indian garrison did seem to be smaller by the end but I'm almost certain the vast majority of it remained in India.

 

[Enewald]

If you're in doubt, I'd just like to declare that I don't consider you to be a member of the well-educated and politically conscious population of the VSVR...

What a shame. At least I believe that everyone should have the freedom to express their thoughts and ideas. Including you and the TG's.

 

[ZechsMerquise73]

But this is Victoria 2 ....

The British Indian garrison did seem to be smaller by the end but I'm almost certain the vast majority of it remained in India.

Well, his post was a response to a discussion on realism. Obviously the British wouldn't sit in India while getting pounded at home.

 

[Lenin Cat]

When is the next and last update?

 

[Raph]

Hehe.

OK. I've finally finished the war and post-war editing.

I won't tell you the final result but lets just say lots of people die whilst fighting rages across 4 of the 6 inhabited continents.

Please please please win! Pretty cool, it almost feels like before an important football or hockey game. I'm rooting for the VSVR!

 

[SwiftRosenthal]

I'm intruiged to know what you guys think the fate of Russia should be of we are victorius.

I will only make peace once we have the Tsar's head on a plate and a socialist state rules in Russia. But what then?

Should the VSVR expand into some of the border territories? Should an extremely decentralised state be created where most major national minorities have autonomy? Should Russia remain united under the banner of the Soviet Union?

The VSVR should absorb OTL Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Belarus, and Ukraine.
Finland gets everything north of those two big lakes.
Bessarabia goes to the Romanian SR
Everything south of the Caucasus goes to the CSR, except for northern and southern Azerbaijan - those go to Persia, as should Dagestan.
Central Asia becomes a pan-Turkic federation, or is attached to Persia.
Then everywhere with a Russian-speaking plurality (including areas already mentioned, depending on assimiliation) becomes the RSFSR.

In Austria-Hungary and the Balkans: the True Germans' plan (back on page 179) doesn't look that bad, actually, except for the whole "let's jettison Poland and Belgium in the name of racial purity" thing. The VSVR gets Moravia, Galicia, and Austria proper, while Italy gets Veneto, Friuli-Istria, and southern Tirol, and a Hungarian Social Republic is formed out of the rest. Croatia, Slavonia, Dalmatia, Bosnia, Montenegro, Greece, and Serbia are given to the CSR. If they can't administrate and socialize the whole Balkans, then a South Slavic Socialist Republic is formed from all of the above plus Bulgaria and Albania and minus Greece.

We should think about convincing Hedjaz, Yemen, and Oman to merge into one single Arab Socialist Republic. As with the Balkans, if the CSR can't administrate and socialize Egypt and the Levant, then the ASR should step in (and be granted Iraq and Syria as well).

Corsica, Malta, and Tunisia should go to Italy. The rest of Morocco should be liberated from the French. I'm sure the Spanish would give up their little exclave there in exchange for Gibraltar.

Portugal is not part of the Reactionary Coalition, but we should think about partitioning it with Spain. What's one more belligerent when we're already fighting everyone else in Europe? Portuguese Africa is absorbed into the VSVR, while Spain gets the mainland, Azores, Cape Verde, and those two islands off the Central African coast. Goa and Macao become seeds for the Peoples' Republics of India and China, respectively.

A year after the war ends, plebescites should be held in Denmark, the Netherlands, Bolivia, Sillistria Transylvania and Wallachia, Belarus and Ukraine, and Afghanistan on whether or not to join Sweden, the VSVR, Chile, the Romanian SR, the RSFSR, and Persia, respectively.

Since the head of the Tsar (and Austrian Kaiser) will be on a plate, you shouldn't bother too much with traditional negotiations. Use the console to tag-switch back and forth instead, so that you can demand as much warscore as you want.

 

[BigBadBob]

Please please please win! Pretty cool, it almost feels like before an important football or hockey game. I'm rooting for the VSVR!

Please Please Please Lose! I'll lose all faith in this AAR if the VSVR can win a war which it should lose spectacularly. So spectacularly in fact, that the "Imperialist Powers" will allow it to exist in more or less its current form, and demand only a buttload of elections, the freedom of which will be monitored by the League of Nations.

 

[Communard]

Please Please Please Lose! I'll lose all faith in this AAR if the VSVR can win a war which it should lose spectacularly. So spectacularly in fact, that the "Imperialist Powers" will allow it to exist in more or less its current form, and demand only a buttload of elections, the freedom of which will be monitored by the League of Nations.

Your faith in the will of a coalition which includes a Tsarist authoritarian state, a constitutional monarchy which places wealth restrictions on the vote, a feudal authoritarian state and only one of the bourgeois "democracies" you seem to support to establish a "democracy" in the VSVR is pretty interesting, Comrade Bob. The absurdity of Tsarist Russia and the Empire of Austria-Hungary sending election observers when they have no elections of their own boggles the mind.

Tommy, stop teasing us! I want to know how we did...

 

[KomodoWaran]

[Y]esterday I wrote an essay defending [Caesar] from a socialist point of view.

I would like to read that!

In what way did you defend him?

 

[Tommy4ever]

I'm writing the Great war update as we speak. However I'm two pages in and just 3 months in. o

This one may be a bit long. But it is a special update.

It should be up before the end of the day.

ciao

 

[KomodoWaran]

Well, his post was a response to a discussion on realism. Obviously the British wouldn't sit in India while getting pounded at home.

If we are talking about realism: It also not realistic for the BE to be able to raise a 6 million strong army in India.

I wish Paradox would find some kind of fix for that in next update.