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Well, you can believe whatever you want, I won't hold it against you, although apparently if I disagree with you my death is "justified."

I'm just not sure how much support the Anarchists can expect to get when these are the sort of statements that are sadly becoming the face of what was once a legitimate faction with some good ideas and is now a violent group bent on forcing their demands onto everyone else and calling that "freedom." It's pretty difficult to rail effectively against the Marxists for imposing their views on others when you plan to do exactly the same thing through violence and force.
 
Viden said:
Kadon himself called for civil war and the execution of comrade Blanqui and his supporters.

I completly ignored that accusations because they are simply absurd. Are king, clergy and bussinessmen "innocent proletariot"? And what about the officers and soldiers sold to the ruling classes, the ones who quell popular uprisings without mercy, are they "innocent proletariot"? Obviously not. But what about the workers who die under the whip of the capitalists? And what about the peasants who languish under the yoke of aristocracy? Aren't they "innocent proletariot"? Didn't they deserve our help?
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Show me a direct quote from Kadon stating that Blanqui and his supporters should be executed.

But you also killed thousands of those peasants and workers YOURSELVES!
 
winsingtonIII said:
Well, you can believe whatever you want, I won't hold it against you, although apparently if I disagree with you my death is "justified."

I'm just not sure how much support the Anarchists can expect to get when these are the sort of statements that are sadly becoming the face of what was once a legitimate faction with some good ideas and is now a violent group bent on forcing their demands onto everyone else and calling that "freedom." It's pretty difficult to rail effectively against the Marxists for imposing their views on others when you plan to do exactly the same thing through violence and force.
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Marxists want their own perverted society, we want to bring an end to it.
Destroy the state, destroy the faiths, destroy the parties.
No more lies and slavery, we shall be free.
And the road might be bloody.

We fight for everyones freedom.
 
It is amazing how unintentionally selective my memory was I completely forgot the Eccarius assassination. Also the riots and AKVD bombing had somewhat merged in my conception of chaotic anti-government violence. Looking forward to the update.
 
Necazian said:
Agreed, lets shut down the discussion and wait for the update before it turns into a flame-war.
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*Ahem*

BTW I've just finished playing the next 5 years of game and things have continued to progress interestingly for our fine Republic. But I must share with you the greatest moment of the entire 5 years.

On December 29th 1869, just as I was preparing to save up the game in readiness for the next election wonderful news arrived from the Orient.

The tiny state of Bhutan had thrown off the shackles of its Monarchy and embraced Communism as it became the first socialist state in Asia. Needless to say I'm trying to get it into my SoI. :D

Long Live the People's Republic of Bhutan!
 
It is frustrating that the onus of proof has shifted to the Anarchists to disprove that they are a violent faction. I doubt anyone would argue seriously that the YA has not been been violent, and has the potential to be much more destructive. Also, one can make fair arguments for the spreading of the revolution. What I don't understand is how Blanqui and the AKVD are even tolerated by the Marxists. Blanqui's illegal wars have been successful, but they prove he is a loose cannon. The AKVD and YA are similar as are Kadon and Blanqui. The difference is that Blanqui and the AKVD have had a decade and the resources of the state to inflict damage that is inarguably beyond anything the YA even has the means to do. The YA's utilization of small scale terrorist tactics is characteristic of a small group attempting disproportionate impact. The AKVD by comparison racked up over a hundred thousand direct casualties from its inception in the seizures of Church property. Some of these were arguably capitalists and bourgeoisie. What seems to be forgotten is that the revolution would not have been possible without the support of the rural poor. A rural poor that supported the GS and Unionists. These same parties were the softest on religion and given the numbers involved it would be surprising if these forerunners of the revolution were not the bulk of those killed defending against forcible seizure. This above all is the greatest travesty of Blanqui and the AKVD, swept under the rug by the GS government which abandoned its original ideals and the Marxists for 15 years. It is a fully documented and acknowledged erasing of part of a demographic crucial to the revolution that will forever mar the VSVR and the future of the revolution.
 
winsingtonIII said:
That's great news! Will you only attempt to sphere countries that are Proletarian Dictatorships?
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Its a goal of mine to encourage the revolution wherever and whenever it appears. :)
 
Nobody expects the Proletarian Inqusition!

Urhm, sorry, I meant: Nobody expects the Proletarian Revolution!

Besides, what does AKVD stand for?
Sounds like a pun on NKVD.
 
While looking over the earliest post of its creation I noticed it was called the AKBC. I can't recall a name change, but I remember seeing AKVD in posts so I started using it. Is it the AKVD even?!? The similarity to NKVD does seem too good to be coincidental.

Editted AKBC not AKCB (apparently "Extraordinary Commission for Combating Counter-Revolution") my German is alright, but not great so I'm trying to figure it out. In particular no word with a C comes to mind that is related.)
 
thekonkoe said:
While looking over the earliest post of its creation I noticed it was called the AKBC. I can't recall a name change, but I remember seeing AKVD in posts so I started using it. Is it the AKVD even?!? The similarity to NKVD does seem too good to be coincidental.

Editted AKBC not AKCB (apparently "Extraordinary Commission for Combating Counter-Revolution") my German is alright, but not great so I'm trying to figure it out. In particular no word with a C comes to mind that is related.)
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I can't remember. I might have made a mistake somewhere along the line and then simply failed to correct myself. We'll continue calling it AKVD as that's what has come into common usage.

As for the idea of another GP being commie, it would indeed be very interesting. There are a lot less rebels in 1.2 and GP seem largely resistant but you never know. I've so far seen noticeable commie rebellions in a few European states but before Bhutan they had only ever succeeded in Hesse-Darmstadt (which I subsiquently cheated so I could annex it time for an election).

If I do manage to get Bhutan SoIed (I'm not sure if GB will bother trying to get it back) then I'm thinking I might try to start up a Communist block in Asia. Either SoIing states or invading and releasing satellites. hmm ....

Once Germany is dealt with the revolution should really start to spring forth from its epicentre and whether I concentrate on Europe or go for a world wide approach will be very important.
 
I've found one that would work which unfortuantely is a bit nationalistic for the Marxists but since it was first set up by the GS could be justified:

Außerordentliche Kommission zu Vereinigung des Deutschenarbeiteren

Extraordinary Commission to Unite German Workers or Extraordinary Commission for the Union of German Workers

Someone better at German should examine the form of zu Vereinigung. I'm not sure if its proper.
 
Google Translate says it's "Extraordinary Commission for Association of German workers". But y'never know with those translators, and I haven't learned much German myself (though I have plans to eventually).
 
What does the AKVD do exactly?
What are its official tasks?
 
According to the original post introducing it, it has no official tasks. It was given an open unlimited mandate to ensure that property distribution was unimpeded, it has since become increasingly militarized and grown in size. In 1850/51 it had 10,000 members, by 1858 its first elite paramilitary branch alone was 9,000.

The old updates are really buried in there. The latest election is about 1/3 of the whole thread.
 
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