EU4 Dev Clash #11 - Baltic Elephants - Tuesdays 15:00 CET

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Moving to America was an act of desperation. The alternative would be slowly getting squeezed in between Marketing Sea and Burgundy/Dutch and share the fate of Hamburg and then be relocated to some backwards piece of the world like Theodoro or Kilwa :p

Hopefully we get more spread out spawns next time!

... well... that's a false dichotomy ;)

1) nobody forced you to play Dithmarschen. I presume you picked it for the RP (*) aspect after having to top the thing that catapulted you to a fan favourite with your Byzantium-move last season. I think other than Ulm, you could not have picked a more meme-worthy (**) tag

2) also, there is a strange concept called "diplomacy". that's the thing that made Bratyn survive as vassal under a human player and end up in 3rd place. e.g. coundn't the marketeers be convinced to get the (arguably) best rapid expander and multi-front-fighter on their side as long as you'd guarantee them their uncontested claim to the baltic sea and Prussia? Sweden grew some 5-10 provinces since the turn than Norway was backstabbed

... just saying - I greatly appreciate your coolness / unsaltiness despite everything, but you did bring it on yourself


(*) Speaking of role-playing: while I realise that many viewers find this enjoyable, it does literally harm many ambitions. e.g. @Bratyn, why insist on New Amsterdam, knowing very well that this will give KJ an easy VC on you. That was cost you and France shitloads of time and manpower that could have instead been used to get riches in Asia. You and KJ would not have needed to spend all those points on Naval and Maritime ideas and instead could have units that could actually fight land battles. Also in the enforced triple-alliance game: by trying to go for another Mare Nostrum you lacked the geographic "depth" to actually defend against Prussia/Russia/Poland. With The mountains of Austria, Switzerland, etc. the war could have turned out very differetly.

I'd like to appeal to the players who actually have ambitions to get less bogged down in RP go for the juggular! StarNaN is the best example of no-bullshit

(**) More a question to all: people explain to an old fart like me (40ish) what makes memes appealing after more than n times hearing. DNote's "selling out" was about 5 seasons ago, "bordergore" is mentioned way too ofter in my opinion, and I think everybody gets it now that Venice AI surprised the pope and Nitra is a fun releasable country. But 10'000 "AVEs" and "NAVEs" in twitch chat... doesn't that get tiring to any adult?

A commendable thumbs up to all trustworthy players: Bratyn and BurgundianParadox, sidestep the loyal ally in the shadows and this game especially Da9l, who let himself be payed to entertain the masses! Other players know who they can trust.

Finally: probably the highlights of game game must have been the "enforce peace" mechanic (could be abused in so many ways!) and especially Persias selling out of Poland: "oh shit, I'm losing the war from multiple sides. Please stop: you can have Berlin!" :D

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and not such a spread of starting powers, trying to contest with pommerania, sweden, brandenburg, burgundy or scotland as a OPM such as hamburg/ditmarchen is a big task.
I tried to grow but was slapped down by a coalition of pretty much everyone in northern europe so :p
At least I have retaken my ancestral homelands by now
Kilwa was the true MVP this session. No credit given for the major role you played in taking down the marketing sea. Kilwa vs Prussia and the Prussians go running. Absolutely beautiful.
 
1821 (Game End) - World Stats
Het Jaar des Heren 1821

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## STATS FOR MP ###
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Current Score
  1. Ming 17759 (+2.53)
  2. Revolutionary France 16910 (+12.23)
  3. Netherlands 15777 (+10.96)
  4. Hindustan 12942 (+10.27)
  5. Dithmarschen 12868 (+5.06)
  6. Persia 7027 (+-1.00)
  7. Kilwa 6660 (+7.59)
  8. Theodoro 6452 (+5.90)
  9. The Papal State 5763 (+6.48)
  10. Ethiopia 5504 (+1.84)
  11. Dai Viet 4159 (+2.95)
  12. Korea 3872 (+2.68)
  13. Spain 3866 (+-0.57)
  14. Prussia 2900 (+0.00)
  15. Brazil 2715 (+5.63)
  16. Ottomans 1811 (+-1.00)
  17. Portugal 928 (+0.00)
  18. Poland 712 (+0.00)
  19. Mongolia 506 (+0.00)
  20. California 211 (+0.00)
Development
  1. Revolutionary France 3463
  2. Hindustan 3105
  3. Dithmarschen 2611
  4. Ethiopia 2313
  5. Theodoro 2220
  6. Netherlands 2124
  7. Ming 1993
  8. Dai Viet 1707
  9. The Papal State 1255
  10. Kilwa 1228
  11. Prussia 1113
  12. Brazil 1100
  13. Korea 1003
  14. Mongolia 801
  15. Sweden 716
  16. Nitra 528
  17. Persia 502
  18. Poland 474
  19. Peasant Republic of S 396
  20. California 302
Income
  1. Netherlands 1890.09
  2. Revolutionary France 1070.87
  3. The Papal State 593.90
  4. Hindustan 531.16
  5. Kilwa 471.81
  6. Dithmarschen 437.09
  7. Theodoro 428.92
  8. Brazil 392.87
  9. Ming 388.39
  10. Ethiopia 326.02
  11. Dai Viet 280.14
  12. Korea 244.64
  13. Mongolia 244.20
  14. Prussia 232.60
  15. Nitra 127.13
  16. Persia 94.61
  17. Sweden 88.90
  18. Spain 75.95
  19. Poland 61.36
  20. Wallachia 57.11
Max. Manpower
  1. Netherlands 142k
  2. Ming 21,800
  3. Hindustan 20,500
  4. Prussia 19,000
  5. Peasant Republic of S 19,000
  6. Habsan 18,920
  7. Persia 18,410
  8. Chagatai 18,350
  9. Korea 18,000
  10. Iceland 18,000
  11. Tunis 17,730
  12. Dai Viet 17,500
  13. Mongolia 17,500
  14. Sweden 17,500
  15. Poland 17,500
  16. Kleine Preussen 17,500
  17. Brazil 17,000
  18. New Portugal 17,000
  19. Kilwa 16,800
  20. Theodoro 16,500
Standing Army
  1. Revolutionary France 700k
  2. Theodoro 478k
  3. Kilwa 453k
  4. Brazil 426k
  5. Hindustan 405k
  6. Netherlands 374k
  7. The Papal State 358k
  8. Ming 318k
  9. Mongolia 315k
  10. Korea 225k
  11. Dithmarschen 224k
  12. Ethiopia 193k
  13. Prussia 140k
  14. Nitra 133k
  15. Dai Viet 123k
  16. Sweden 102k
  17. California 66,000
  18. Persia 52,000
  19. Kleine Preussen 51,000
  20. Poland 48,000
War Fleet
  1. Netherlands 1108/0
  2. Ming 40/105
  3. Kilwa 110/0
  4. Korea 35/65
  5. Brazil 74/0
  6. Spain 29/40
  7. Revolutionary France 62/0
  8. Hindustan 60/0
  9. The Papal State 0/60
  10. Kikuchi 9/23
  11. Theodoro 2/28
  12. Sweden 10/15
  13. Venice 6/10
  14. Persia 1/14
  15. Japan 2/11
  16. New Hollandia 12/0
  17. New Portugal 12/0
  18. Portugal 12/0
  19. Greece 0/11
  20. Spanish La Plata 9/0
Trade Fleet
  1. Netherlands 426
  2. Kilwa 104
  3. Brazil 98
  4. Dai Viet 71
  5. Ming 52
  6. New Portugal 51
  7. Spanish La Plata 51
  8. Korea 45
  9. Poland 37
  10. Hindustan 36
  11. California 35
  12. New Hollandia 34
  13. Venice 30
  14. Portugal 30
  15. Theodoro 29
  16. Spain 17
  17. Alaska 16
  18. Kikuchi 14
  19. Tunis 13
  20. Ethiopia 13
Technologies
  1. Netherlands 96
  2. Ming 96
  3. New Portugal 96
  4. Hindustan 96
  5. California 96
  6. Alaska 96
  7. Revolutionary France 96
  8. Mongolia 96
  9. The Papal State 96
  10. Tibet 96
  11. New Netherlands 96
  12. Brazil 95
  13. Spanish La Plata 95
  14. Korea 95
  15. Theodoro 95
  16. Ryukyu 95
  17. Prussia 95
  18. Kleine Preussen 95
  19. New Spain 95
  20. Spanish Columbia 95
Great Power
  1. Revolutionary France 3764
  2. Hindustan 3116
  3. Dithmarschen 2907
  4. Ethiopia 2313
  5. Netherlands 2303
  6. Ming 2231
  7. Theodoro 2220
  8. Dai Viet 1707
    [~]The Papal State 1255
    [~]Prussia 1241
    [~]Kilwa 1228
    [~]Brazil 1100
    [~]Korea 1041
    [~]Mongolia 801
    [~]Sweden 716
    [~]Spain 632
    [~]Spanish La Plata 513
    [~]Persia 502
    [~]Poland 474
    [~]Chagatai 439
 
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The Declaration of the Pentarchy


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The Declaration of the Pentarchy


(Made by the most skilled Ethiopian artist to forever remember the moment)

Una fides, multis hostibus

To all the Christians of the world, it is indeed time of rejoicing.

So in Christ Jesus we are all children of God through faith, for all of us who were baptized into Christ have clothed ourselves with Christ. There is neither Catholic nor Protestant, neither Reformed nor Coptic nor Orthodox, for we are all one in Christ Jesus.

- Pope Alexander XII
 
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The Declaration of the Pentarchy


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The greatest of each branch of Christianity banding together to protect the world.
 
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I'm not saying Ming is the real winner of the dev clash... but Ming might be the real winner of the dev clash.
ming is always the winner of the dev clash
 
Current Score
10. Ethiopia 5504 (+1.84)
Development
4. Ethiopia 2313
Great Power
4. Ethiopia 2313

Had you told me before the season that this was going to be my placements, I would not have believed you. I'm honestly mostly happy with surviving, not to mention Best Newcomer and having pretty decent placements. It's my first Dev Clash and despite what Jake may have told you, I'm a terrible EU4 player. The one thing I felt I did well this season was player diplomacy. If we still had those player ratings, I would rate myself a 0/5/0.
 
It's my first Dev Clash and despite what Jake may have told you, I'm a terrible EU4 player. The one thing I felt I did well this season was player diplomacy. If we still had those player ratings, I would rate myself a 0/5/0.

Don't sell yourself short there, Blondie. I'd disinherit Louis de Valois for you.
 
Had you told me before the season that this was going to be my placements, I would not have believed you. I'm honestly mostly happy with surviving, not to mention Best Newcomer and having pretty decent placements. It's my first Dev Clash and despite what Jake may have told you, I'm a terrible EU4 player. The one thing I felt I did well this season was player diplomacy. If we still had those player ratings, I would rate myself a 0/5/0.
Talking about how you rate yourself, the end stream of the season should bring back the players stats.
 
player scores, I sure do love my 4/0/4 stats ;)
 
What are the plans for the next dev clash? Hopefully it isn't completely focused around Europe (considering the Poland update and possibly changes to religious conversion)
I also hope that they won't use the same scoring system as this dev clash. It wasn't really an improvement...