I wonder if raising a tribal army via prestige counts as a raised levy for declaration purposes or (as I would hope) it’s event based and therefore exempt. I’m thinking (after my previous mercenary raising miscalculation) that it’s organisation would need some time to get up to speed, and whether it would be possible to raise it in advance of a DoW. Either way, looks like I’d have to make simultaneous declarations before raising my demeaned levies.
Great to have you reading through Specialist290, look forward to any future contributions
bloody hell-I never realised that. How annoying. All this time I have been playing that aspect of the game wrong grrr
Subjugation only if you need those land to then immediately form the kingdom. Otherwise you will find yourself with two ducal title, which will be split upon your death between your sons (once again I can't remember if you have other male sons right now). Conquest is a safer bet until then. If you want to attack both, you can, but make sure that you can win.
As said above, subjugation would make you new high chief. Which is kind of a problem if you have more then one son).
Fantastic-thanks so much. This will certainly change how I play going forward-amazing that even after years playing you learn new tricks hahaLol you made me second guess myself. I started a new game as the Chief of Hordaland in the 769 start, set ambition to "King of Norway" and immediately declared against the rulers to both north and south (Nidaros and Ryljafiki (sp?) IIRC) just to confirm - yes, you can declare multiple offensive wars in succession with no levies raised.
I'd argue that in most cases being involved in multiple ongoing offensive wars at once isn't the best idea, so I wouldn't say that you've been playing wrong this whole time per se, it's just that in this particular case, for a Tribal Army snowball fight, multiple wars are not a bad idea. I also seem to recall having found it highly useful when holy warring a strong but fractured faith like the Sunnis (as Byzantium... that cursed SPQR achievement lol) in the 867 start. They're all going to gang up on you anyway if you just go after one of them, so you may as well just DOW them all and take a duchy from all of them at once.
As Rurik takes stock of his new conquest, he notices the effects of the fight and occupation on the chiefdom of Torzhok. The effect of the imposition of a new administration appears set to last almost 20 years! The even more extreme (but shorter term) effects of recent conquest will last for around a year. A check of the Toropets showed a similar outcome.
Still working my way through. One thing caught my attention, as I noticed it got discussed but I don't know if the point I'm about to raise got mentioned later:
I don't know the exact numbers off the top of my head, but the "New Administration" penalty varies in length depending on how closely the conquered province's religion and culture match your character's. Obviously an exact match results in the shortest duration, while being in completely different culture and / or religion groups has the biggest one (though I'm unsure of exactly how they're calculated).
Hope it helps
Yes it does!I don't know the exact numbers off the top of my head, but the "New Administration" penalty varies in length depending on how closely the conquered province's religion and culture match your character's. Obviously an exact match results in the shortest duration, while being in completely different culture and / or religion groups has the biggest one (though I'm unsure of exactly how they're calculated).
Hope it helps
As does this. You guys are great!
OK, thanks all, will have to consider the more-than-one-son aspect, as there is one. But as this is a learning AAR and I want to get the Kingdom together quickly, I may still consider doing a few subjugations when the rival High Chiefdom has two or more de jure Rus counties in it, then see what happens!
I'd like to as well, given the benefits, but also know the clock is ticking on Rurik and his astronomical martial (and other) stats. Trade-offs to be considered and balanced!
This sounds persuasive to me. And involves plenty of blood and battle, which is also in keeping with the zeitgeist of the AAR.
Indeed, was thinking something similar. You never know how long you will get, especially if you have your lead character in battle a lot (which I will continue to do - use those martial stats, or deny yourself their nebefit, now I have an heir and spare).
I did use the first 600-odd accumulated prestige on building, so have at least done that much. The toss-up now is declare an ordinary war and call up the levies one after another, or muster the tribal army and either each one quickly (including keep-storming where possible with those extra numbers to speed things up, as Rurik did in Pskov) or even do two at once. Though I got bitten the last time I got over-ambitious, and lost more time than I gained!
Lol you made me second guess myself. I started a new game as the Chief of Hordaland in the 769 start, set ambition to "King of Norway" and immediately declared against the rulers to both north and south (Nidaros and Ryljafiki (sp?) IIRC) just to confirm - yes, you can declare multiple offensive wars in succession with no levies raised.
I'd argue that in most cases being involved in multiple ongoing offensive wars at once isn't the best idea, so I wouldn't say that you've been playing wrong this whole time per se, it's just that in this particular case, for a Tribal Army snowball fight, multiple wars are not a bad idea. I also seem to recall having found it highly useful when holy warring a strong but fractured faith like the Sunnis (as Byzantium... that cursed SPQR achievement lol) in the 867 start. They're all going to gang up on you anyway if you just go after one of them, so you may as well just DOW them all and take a duchy from all of them at once.
Thanks both of you for teasing this aspect out!
Now I just need to find some way to apply the knowledge without stuffing it up by clicking the wrong button in a newbie elementary error! As per above, yes, there are two sons, but I need at least two duchies to form the kingdom anyway (could do Pskov now if I had the money). I may take the risk, but as mentioned will only subjugate when its 2+ counties of de jure Rus at stake. Conquering them one at a time would simply take too long for Rurik, and that multiple subjugation CB is there for a reason, I'm thinking. I will give it a try I think and we'll see how it goes and how the longer-term consequences pan out! No big gain without a large risk.
Very valuable info. If I do raise the tribal army, I'll be sure to try that tactic out (which I think isn't gamey at all, but logical if the purpose is a prolonged war of conquest for the kingdom, and the event troops will eventually wear down).
Still working my way through. One thing caught my attention, as I noticed it got discussed but I don't know if the point I'm about to raise got mentioned later:
I don't know the exact numbers off the top of my head, but the "New Administration" penalty varies in length depending on how closely the conquered province's religion and culture match your character's. Obviously an exact match results in the shortest duration, while being in completely different culture and / or religion groups has the biggest one (though I'm unsure of exactly how they're calculated).
Hope it helps
This exchange too - bravo!
Good luck O king!Where Next for the Rurikids? (A summary of advice for Chapter 16 - August 873)
A summary of advice and learnings from the recent episode - through which even seasoned campaigners were able to learn new aspects of the game and pass them on for our collective benefit.
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Ch 16 Q1: Subjugation of Peers. OK, following up on previous questions re not investing other vassals with Dukedoms (and equivalents), my assumption here is that if I win a war of subjugation and bring Miemo in as a High Chief, he still ranks below and would be a subordinate to Rurik, as the Petty King of Holmgarðr. Because he is a High Chief and I have never exercised this mechanic before, I’m just trying to avoid another of those newbie faux pas.
OK, thanks all, will have to consider the more-than-one-son aspect, as there is one. But as this is a learning AAR and I want to get the Kingdom together quickly, I may still consider doing a few subjugations when the rival High Chiefdom has two or more de jure Rus counties in it, then see what happens!
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Ch 16 Q2: Where next? General views on these or other options not contemplated by Rurik (he’s looking to consolidate in the north first before tackling some of the larger interior chiefdoms to the south – where some large armies have been seen battling to and fro with each other over the last year or two). Raid? Conquest and Subjugation? Two at once? Stick to personal levies or call up the tribal army now? Or better to spend the prestige on military buildings?
I'd like to as well, given the benefits, but also know the clock is ticking on Rurik and his astronomical martial (and other) stats. Trade-offs to be considered and balanced!
This sounds persuasive to me. And involves plenty of blood and battle, which is also in keeping with the zeitgeist of the AAR.
Indeed, was thinking something similar. You never know how long you will get, especially if you have your lead character in battle a lot (which I will continue to do - use those martial stats, or deny yourself their nebefit, now I have an heir and spare).
I did use the first 600-odd accumulated prestige on building, so have at least done that much. The toss-up now is declare an ordinary war and call up the levies one after another, or muster the tribal army and either each one quickly (including keep-storming where possible with those extra numbers to speed things up, as Rurik did in Pskov) or even do two at once. Though I got bitten the last time I got over-ambitious, and lost more time than I gained!
xxxThought I'd track this exchange through separately and in order, as it was really gratifying to see even experienced players being able to use the AAR as a vehicle to swap notes, confirm fine points and raise new aspects of gameplay!
Thanks both of you for teasing this aspect out!
xxxAs per above, yes, there are two sons, but I need at least two duchies to form the kingdom anyway (could do Pskov now if I had the money). I may take the risk, but as mentioned will only subjugate when its 2+ counties of de jure Rus at stake. Conquering them one at a time would simply take too long for Rurik, and that multiple subjugation CB is there for a reason, I'm thinking. I will give it a try I think and we'll see how it goes and how the longer-term consequences pan out! No big gain without a large risk.
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Supplementary Question re Tribal Levies
Very valuable info. If I do raise the tribal army, I'll be sure to try that tactic out (which I think isn't gamey at all, but logical if the purpose is a prolonged war of conquest for the kingdom, and the event troops will eventually wear down).
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This exchange too - bravo!
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Thanks once again everyone for your collective wisdom. Now back to figuring out what to do next in the game. Wish Rurik luck - he'll probably need it!
My thanks oh brave paladin!
Good luck O king!
The scholars’ translations of the contemporary records have been completed and the coming months of the Rurikid Saga will be published soon-ish. Suffice to say there will be blood and battle!
Brilliant. Looking forward to that. Now back to your Turkish Magnus opus hehe (at some point I should write the next chapter of my own Wessexian tale for which many thanks my friend for your vote in the Q4 ACAs)My thanks oh brave paladin!
