(sigh). I actually liked being able to choose whether or not to release Kazan and Astrakhan, and becoming Crimea was very useful, even though I much prefer the Golden Horde's flag.
I have made suggestions for that.Garbon said:Perhaps, as has long been suggested the trigger for the Russian Claim on the Steppes event should be changed?
I will make a comprehensive proposal to make it more likely, that STE disappears.Garbon said:The reason the events are setup this way is to avoid the possibility of a giant Crimea, as it is a bit off to have Crimea inherit all the Golden Horde's lands. So while this sequence isn't really working...
Panther II said:I am aware, that Volgograd captured by RUS can trigger the event, this is intended. As long, as Volgograd is the capital of STE, it is not necessary to require, that they own it. In revolt.txt, they are not included, so when they do not own 458, they have disappeared forever. Maybe the countrysize trigger should be removed?
I just wanted to explain, whyIsaac Brock said:Have you tested that? My impression is that making a country disappear by event will cause a crash. However, that's just a guess.
When STE loses control of its capital 458 to anyone (e.g. rebels), the trigger condition is fullfilled.Isaac Brock said:Will 28702 be trigger by rebels capturing Volgograd?
STE can still survive, but chances are very low.Isaac Brock said:Panther, your approach is pretty deterministic, but it seems reasonably flexible, so I won't complain too much.
Isaac Brock said:Have you tested that? My impression is that making a country disappear by event will cause a crash. However, that's just a guess.
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Panther II said:My experience is, that
-secedeprovince, when a country does NOT own it or
-independence which = xxx, when country xxx already exists
causes no problem. Have you any examples with crashes?
event = {
id = 287002
trigger = {
exists = KAZ
exists = AST
NOT = { control = { province = 458 data = STE }}
}
random = no
country = STE
name = "The Collapse of the Golden Horde"
desc = "In 1502, ..."
style = 4
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1500 }
offset = 5
deathdate = { day = 31 month = december year = 1820 }
action_a ={
name = "This is the end (Game Over)"
command = { type = stability value = -2 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = KAZ value = 446 } # Kazan
command = { type = secedeprovince which = KAZ value = 447 } # Tambow
command = { type = secedeprovince which = KAZ value = 453 } # Ufa
command = { type = secedeprovince which = KAZ value = 454 } # Samara
command = { type = secedeprovince which = RUS value = 452 } # Saratow
command = { type = secedeprovince which = AST value = 455 } # Uralsk
command = { type = secedeprovince which = AST value = 456 } # Orenburg
command = { type = independence which = CRI }
command = { type = trigger which = 152050 } #CRI
}
action_b ={
name = "We shall never give up!"
command = { type = stability value = -4 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = KAZ value = 453 } # Ufa
command = { type = secedeprovince which = AST value = 455 } # Uralsk
command = { type = war which = KAZ }
command = { type = war which = AST }
command = { type = revoltrisk which = 120 value = 6 }
command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
command = { type = revolt which = -1 }
command = { type = desertion which = -1 value = 5000 }
command = { type = desertion which = -1 value = 5000 }
}
}
Panther II said:In general your are right Khephren, ceding the only province to someone, is no good idea, but in the case of STE or your example, you are not. STE can not be recreated, because they are not included in "revolt.txt" ->to exist, they have to own Volgograd 458, their capital, so any STE example without that province is theoretic. As long as they do not cede Volgograd, there can be no crash, because they still have to own that province.
Khephren said:I see what you're saying, but Volgograd is an extra for Astrakhan, so Astrakhan can ( and i have seen this ) pick up Vologograd when it revolts and this will move the GH's capital.
You are right, I have seen this too for Switzerland, the Huguenots revolted from them in Bern and the Swiss capital was moved to Schwyz. I think we have to find a good balance between a slim event structure and a low risk level for ctds. We can remove the secedeprovince commands from 287002a, because all are included in the CRI event?Khephren said:I see what you're saying, but Volgograd is an extra for Astrakhan, so Astrakhan can ( and i have seen this ) pick up Vologograd when it revolts and this will move the GH's capital.
Archaalen said:lose your capital to ANYONE? ooh, that's tough as the GH sometimes. I've had rebels take my capital three times in fifty years of a game before as GH.
event = {
id = 287001
trigger = {
OR = {
flag = Sibir
exists = AST # alternate trigger
}
OR = {
exists = SIB
owned = { province = 1573 data = -1}
owned = { province = 510 data = -1}
owned = { province = 511 data = -1}
owned = { province = 512 data = -1}
owned = { province = 578 data = -1}
owned = { province = 1570 data = -1}
owned = { province = 1571 data = -1}
}
}
random = no
country = STE
name = "The Khanate of Sibir"
desc = "Following the disintegration of the Horde, descendents of One Khan formed the Khanate of Sibir, near the modern day city of Tyumen. They quickly established their domain which existed from Kurgan in the West, to Ichim in the East. This khanate would survive well into the 16th century until it was extinguished by cossacks from Russia."
style = 1
date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1450 }
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1480 }
action_a ={
name = "And so we lose all remainders of the White Horde"
command = { type = independence which = SIB}
command = { type = breakvassal which = SIB }
command = { type = dynastic which = SIB }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = SIB value = 1570 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = SIB value = 511 }
command = { type = secedeprovince which = SIB value = 510 }
command = { type = relation which = SIB value = -50 }
command = { type = trigger which = 325008 } #UZB
}
}