EU4 - Development Diary - 13th of October 2020

[jacopus95]

Finally, this new expansion will see a new diplomatic action called “Curry Favors”. This requires an active diplomat, and will slowly increase the amount of favors you have with them, depending on your diplomatic reputation and the target's opinion of you.

Does it mean it will be easier to get favors, even with bigger nations?

Let's take a random OPM for instance. Provided that i take diplomatic ideas first, will i get favors faster with a bigger nation this way?

I'm afraid it might make the game easier. If i'm an opm i shouldn't be able to get favors with France too fast, if that's the case.

 

[sr999]

For immersion, it'd be very nice to see favors generated in part by events, royal marriages, skills, traits, missions etc (i.e. relative military power ideally should just be one of several sources); and also feeding into both event options and occasional event triggers.

 

[wkscrombie]

I'm always happy to see diplomacy get more depth. Any chances of some espionage reworks, as well? That's one of the few remaining facets of the game which I feel could really use more depth/complexity.

I hope you feel better soon, @Groogy ! Peace and love from Oregon.

 

[rho]

Request/suggestion: can "curry favors" be changed to "curry favor"? The plural version sounds incredibly weird and unnatural to my ear. For reference: Google ngram of the usages of the two phrases (in both US and UK style spellings).

 

[fr-rein]

Will Cossack DLC get update or have it's price cut?

 

[Stronghold]

Would be nice if you got a favor from the 'Friends in Need" event

 

[Borgratz]

What we will actually be using those favors for would have been really interesting to know for context, but I guess there were some significant "oh crap" time restraints involved

Thanks for giving us a teaser anyways!

 

[noldorin]

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[Romanix90]

I hope it means Sweden update.

I think that Scandinavia deserves to get some love. I realy want to play some game as Sweden.

 

[Romanix90]

So at least it is confirmed that this is expansion . My only question @Johan is will this be regular 20 EUR expansion or 10 EUR immersion pack? Of course if this is not a secret.

 

[EarlKonrad]

That's a curious alert to have as a Horde.
By the way, are there any new changes coming for tributaries? Or maybe AI behaviour on tributaries?

In the last DD England also had it. My bet is that they are messing around with governments.

 

[Dalos]

So there won't be a new patch before the new expansion?

 

[petertju]

I would love a dev diary or at least a bit more clarity about the way forward for EU4. They have already announced that they are not stopping with DLC's, but what are the plans moving forwards? DLC/Immersion packs, focus on what parts of the game, etc. That's sth I love about HOI4, you know exactly what they are doing and they are quite clear in their communication. The effect of it is showing because that's the forum that is the least on fire of the big PI games.

 

[juant675]

so there's already a new expansion confirmed and the last one still not playable (and I expected them to release the free-patch between expansions before any news related to another expansion)

 

[Malecord]

Does it mean it will be easier to get favors, even with bigger nations?

Let's take a random OPM for instance. Provided that i take diplomatic ideas first, will i get favors faster with a bigger nation this way?

I'm afraid it might make the game easier. If i'm an opm i shouldn't be able to get favors with France too fast, if that's the case.

Imho it all depends on final numbers. As an OPM parking a diplomat to France Court for (let's say) 30 years just to get enough favors for a war doesn't seem that OP of a strategy. Early game there is so much work for diplomats and so few if them. And mid game you don't want be OPM anymore.

Ofc if you only need 12 months then we can agree that's OP.

 

[iClipse]

Oh man. I love that diplomacy is getting some work. It's one of those things that's the cornerstone of this game, but it felt kind of left behind the last years. Especially starting from mid/lategame.

Anyway, since favors are getting more important, I'd like to suggest to add a 'transfer occupation' request to an ally during a war in return for some favors. It kind of sucks when your ally occupies that key province in an important war and the only way to get it is by having the enemy occupy it back or by waiting until your ally peaces out. Maybe make them only accept if they didn't choose it as vital interest, but it's an extra option I'd love to see.

 

[Imperium84]

I hope it means Sweden update.

Seems to be a rework of Zoroastrian.

 

[PrussicAcid]

Seems to be a rework of Zoroastrian.

Well, Groogy's hedgehog is called Cyrus so...

By the way, AGAIN, what is the scope of this expansion / patch / DLC?

 

[Lavilledieu]

This seems like a great idea. The current favor works alright currently, so expanding on it is quite safe. I do hope this will address the biggest issue I have with favors: at the start of the game, there is a long period of relative world-wide peace because everyone lacks favors to drag allies into war. Especially if you play as a minor nation, it’s difficult to wage safe wars early since you lack favors with many allies. Curry favor might help a bit now I guess

 

[master_kong]

It's great hearing diplomacy will be getting love with this patch. There are some potential fixes and improvements in the game regarding diplomacy, I hope these will get some attention too. Some of'em off the top of my head:

• Making coalitions more focused rather than spreading all over the world easily. Maybe increasing the discount effect of distance hop factor while increasing the infidel conquest factor to compensate for the loss from the former would do the trick. Infidel conquest was one of the most major factors to cause a coalition in that age already, so it would be appropriate.
• Preventing giving away allies' lands and easily avoiding bad outcomes.
• Making the strongest coalition member be the leader of that coalition and allow separate peace. Although, making war leaders always the strongest one would be a better and ultimate solution to this I think.
• Making marches more real/significant. They were not exactly like vassals and semi-independent actually. Like being able to wage their own wars etc.
• Fixing tributaries helping with the rebels. They are not vassals too. Actually, the game has a code toggle regarding this and the last time I checked(before 1.30) it wasn't working.

Does it mean it will be easier to get favors, even with bigger nations?

Let's take a random OPM for instance. Provided that i take diplomatic ideas first, will i get favors faster with a bigger nation this way?

I'm afraid it might make the game easier. If i'm an opm i shouldn't be able to get favors with France too fast, if that's the case.

I really liked that actually. To me, the problem is not an opm being able to bring France into their wars, rather they are being the war leader in that situation.