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EU4 - Development Diary - 23rd of June 2016

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Hello and welcome to today's development diary for Europa Universalis IV. It's actually a well earned(?) day off for me but I'm doing a once unthinkable thing and working a bit from home. Last week I said we would take a look at a very influential dynasty of the time period. Sorry to disappoint all the Velikopermsky and Dandani fans out there, but I had the Osmanoglus on my mind.

It would be an understatement to say that the Ottomans gave the world a good shaking in this time period. Furthermore, they are one of the more commonly played nations in EUIV. We wanted to give them a little something to bring out their unique flavour since it was always a shame that they are a run-of-the-mill Sultanate. It has also been pointed out on numerous occasions the oddity of a situation where you have the Ottoman nation..without an Osmanoglu at the helm.

So to that end, in the still-unnamed upcoming expansion we have added a unique government type for them: The Ottoman Sultanate.

The Ottoman Sultanate does not generate heirs like normal monarchies do. The ruler of the Ottoman Sultanate will have their own Harem to ensure the dynasty lives on. At the age of 30, your ruler will select one of his sons to be the heir to the throne. They will, of course, be of your dynasty

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So an Ottoman Sultanate shall always be blessed by the strong line of Osmanoglus. That is to say unless the Sultan dies without an heir. In that case, they'll still end up with an Osmanoglu. "Blessed" can be a relative term here.

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There are a couple dozen events accompanying this unique government type to simulate the power struggle and intrigue of such a succession system and should add a couple of fangs to that already formidable Ottomans.

While this is unique to the Ottomans, any modders out there can easily allow this for other government types with the has_harem = yes line.

I feel like we're on a roll when it comes to governments and rulers so here's another thing for today's Development Diary. Abdication.

Yes, it has long been a requested feature in Europa Universalis. When Enrique or his low-stat kind just refuses to die you can abdicate and let your next in line take over. This requires you to have an of-age heir and to have either ruled for 25 years or be 60+ years old. It will come with a considerable hit to your legitimacy/unity and prestige but I think we've all had times where we wanted our monarch to Die Please Die.

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Ottoman Sultanate and Abdication are both paid features in the upcoming expansion which we have magically managed to keep unleaked name-wise.

I've been mentioning a lot of paid features lately but it's good to remind ourselves that with all the paid expansions come free bugfixes and features from the accompanying patch. A small change that will be coming up in 1.18 that I want to share is to do with succession wars. I'm not too happy with how right now, they have two conclusions: Either the new overlord keeps their union or the nation fighting them over it take leadership over the union for themselves. Now, we will add a peace option which simply breaks the union for all parties involved.

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Simple, sensible, and added free in 1.18 for those times where you just want to keep the status quo. Warscore cost scales with the junior partner's size.

Happy midsummer everyone, I'm off to....oh, right, I need to tease upcoming Diaries. Hrmm~ Well, we've touched a lot on rulers but would you believe it, we're not quite done with the changes in the throne room. We'll come to that in the future. As for next week, we'll switch it up on the battlefield. See you then!
 
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So which examples of monarchs abdicating in this era do you know of Grand Historian?

Murad II, Ottoman Sultan 1444
Bayezid II, Ottoman Sultan April 25, 1512
Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor 1555/1556
Mary, Queen of Scots July 24, 1567
Christina of Sweden June 6, 1654
John Casimir of Poland 1668
Frederick Augustus of Poland September 24, 1706
Philip V of Spain 14 January 1724
Victor Amadeus of Sardinia 3 September 1730
Ahmed III, Ottoman Sultan 1 October 1730
Charles of Naples (on accession to throne of Spain) 6 October 1759
Stanislaus II Augustus of Poland 7 January 1795
Qianlong Emperor of Qing China February 9, 1796
Charles Emanuel IV, King of Sardinia June 4, 1802
Francis II, Holy Roman Emperor August 6, 1806
Charles IV, King of Spain March 19, 1808
Joseph Napoleon, King of Naples June 6, 1808
Gustav IV Adolf, King of Sweden March 29, 1809
Louis Napoleon, King of Holland July 2, 1810
Napoleon I, Emperor of the French April 4, 1814, and again June 22, 1815
Victor Emmanuel I, King of Sardinia March 13, 1821

EDIT: Missed the earlier reply, my bad X(
 
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Is there an option to REJECT a PU yet? It is very annoying when you get a random PU on something irrelevant and have to fight a war for it when you would had peacefully given it up lol
 
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This stuff looks very good !
But why would you break the union if you can have it yourself ?
I can think of several reasons.
1.) The potential PU junior would be a great deal of trouble to keep in line (much larger than you and/or has large negative opinion of you)
2.) Less warscore/AE to keep the status quo than to steal the PU.
3.) The potential PU junior is a tiny minor that you could conquer much faster than waiting 50 years for a chance to integrate/inherit a PU if they were independent instead.
 
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Murad II, Ottoman Sultan 1444
Bayezid II, Ottoman Sultan April 25, 1512
Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor 1555/1556
Mary, Queen of Scots July 24, 1567
Christina of Sweden June 6, 1654
John Casimir of Poland 1668
Frederick Augustus of Poland September 24, 1706
Philip V of Spain 14 January 1724
Victor Amadeus of Sardinia 3 September 1730
Ahmed III, Ottoman Sultan 1 October 1730
Charles of Naples (on accession to throne of Spain) 6 October 1759
Stanislaus II Augustus of Poland 7 January 1795
Qianlong Emperor of Qing China February 9, 1796
Charles Emanuel IV, King of Sardinia June 4, 1802
Francis II, Holy Roman Emperor August 6, 1806
Charles IV, King of Spain March 19, 1808
Joseph Napoleon, King of Naples June 6, 1808
Gustav IV Adolf, King of Sweden March 29, 1809
Louis Napoleon, King of Holland July 2, 1810
Napoleon I, Emperor of the French April 4, 1814, and again June 22, 1815
Victor Emmanuel I, King of Sardinia March 13, 1821

EDIT: Missed the earlier reply, my bad X(

You can also technically add Tokugawa Ieyasu to that list. He abdicated in favor of his son, so that when he died ten years later, nobody disputed the "succession" in the slightest. That's an odd one, though. He did resign as shogun, but he did guide and in some ways puppeteer his son the whole time. Still, his son had officially been shogun for many years when he did die.
 
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I can think of several reasons.
1.) The potential PU junior would be a great deal of trouble to keep in line (much larger than you and/or has large negative opinion of you)
2.) Less warscore/AE to keep the status quo than to steal the PU.
3.) The potential PU junior is a tiny minor that you could conquer much faster than waiting 50 years for a chance to integrate/inherit a PU if they were independent instead.
It would be nice if in case of victory, but not wanting the PU, you could at least install a member of your family on the disputed throne. It could be even better if we had the dynastic trees and we could choose the particular cousin to rule there.
 
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the oddity of a situation where you have the Ottoman nation..without an Osmanoglu at the helm.

OH MY GOD YES, they are going to add dynamic naming and flags for TAGs, can't believe it, it's a dream come true!!!

That is to say unless the Sultan dies without an heir. In that case, they'll still end up with an Osmanoglu.

Ah. That's how it'll be solved then. Ok.
 
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Wouldn't China also have this Harem modifier? It would be strange for the Ming Dynasty to continue to exist without a Zhu at the helm.
 
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This stuff looks very good !
But why would you break the union if you can have it yourself ?

Get a PU with a minor nation in the HRE while you don't have the power to dismantle it. Can't feed them much unless they're coastal and can take nonadjacent land.

Yeah, new event pictures are not done yet :)

Darn, I was hoping the Ottomans would have gained a new respect for the Pope.
 
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Wouldn't China also have this Harem modifier? It would be strange for the Ming Dynasty to continue to exist without a Zhu at the helm.
Plus Ming were less likely to ever run out of an heir than the Ottos due to how they, as far as I am aware, didn't kill the brothers and hence had a really large dynasty.
 
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So from the tens or hundreds of states which had harems, polygamy, concubinage, which shouldn't change the dynasty through normal means, you select only one. I'm sorry, but this is beyond ridiculous. China, Japan, India, Muslims, Turks, Mongols, practically whole Asia and probably also other regions didn't change dynasties. And yet the new paid feature is only for Ottomans? Seriously, expand this and you will be able to say in DLC features that you are improving half of the civilized world, not only Ottomans. Even if you have plans to touch Asia later, at least for now give them this feature.
 
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Plus Ming were less likely to ever run out of an heir than the Ottos due to how they, as far as I am aware, didn't kill the brothers and hence had a really large dynasty.
Jianwen Emperor disagrees :p (well, a nephew but it still counts I guess).
 
Jianwen Emperor disagrees :p (well, a nephew but it still counts I guess).
He killed his nephew? Was that the reason that his uncle usurped the throne?
And I should have said normally, since there of course were bound to be exemptions.
What I meant is that as far as I am aware they didn't kill all their brothers upon ascending the throne like the Ottos did.
 
He killed his nephew? Was that the reason that his uncle usurped the throne?
And I should have said normally, since there of course were bound to be exemptions.
What I meant is that as far as I am aware they didn't kill all their brothers upon ascending the throne like the Ottos did.
I meant that he was killed by his uncle. Yongle usurped the throne because he was mad that he didn't get it.
 
So from the tens or hundreds of states which had harems, polygamy, concubinage, which shouldn't change the dynasty through normal means, you select only one. I'm sorry, but this is beyond ridiculous. China, Japan, India, Muslims, Turks, Mongols, practically whole Asia and probably also other regions didn't change dynasties. And yet the new paid feature is only for Ottomans? Seriously, expand this and you will be able to say in DLC features that you are improving half of the civilized world, not only Ottomans. Even if you have plans to touch Asia later, at least for now give them this feature.
The main problem are tags called after a dynasty: Ottomans, Timurids, all the Chinese dynasties, Beyliks(to some extent) and probably a few more I am not aware of...
And then there are countries that need a particular dynasty to sit on their throne for their flavour to make sense: Austria with Habsburgs, Mughals with Timurids, Poland with Jagiellons up to a point of elective monarchy(which should de facto activate only once the Commonwealth is formed), probably Uzbek with the Shaybanids etc.

And what if these countries change their government to republic/theocracy or even worse: turn revolutionary? Revolutionary Ming? Revolutionary Ottomans? For Christ's sake... this game is in dire need of dynamic country names!
 
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Three things:

1- I'm not sure if you're going to force the Ottomans to disband the Harem system as they did IRL, but I'd ask that the player is given a choice rather than forced to. (Or soft forced to, like reforming as a tribal government and losing your awesome government form because tech cost is more important.)

Actually thinking on it, will Native Americans/hordes still be forced to lose their awesome government type in 1.18 with the new tech system?

2- Please, please, please make the Harem option available in custom nation designer. I don't really care for the details of the implementation, but it would be so thematic for a bunch of my nation ideas.

3- With the abdicate option now existing, can the fountain of youth make your ruler immortal? It's never made sense to me that you find the fountain of youth and then your ruler dies 4 years later at the ripe old age of 40.

Maybe also add an idea for custom nations: immortal ruler. It would cost base 120 points and make your monarch cost 10 or so times as many points, but live forever or until abdicated.

I've always wanted to make some custom nations with immortal rulers, but it's not yet an option. It could disable ironman if you think it's too OP to balence via points, but I and my friends would really like the option for our fun MP games.

Thanks for bothering to read my ideas, I hope at least one gets in the game. :)
 
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What about declaring war when you have a regency? The cost could be -1 stability.

Also can you make the peace screen bigger for those who play with larger resolutions?
 
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