Day 2. Marty proposes humancalculator. I propose Kaetje based on similar reasoning. Then thistle comes in:
If we go by the old rule of thumb "the third and fourth in a bandwagon are more than likely wolves", that would mean that Euro and Lemmy would make good lynches today. However, each one of them was also voting defensively last round, so that argument might not fit.
(snip)
Vote Lemmy
Why not Euro, then? hmn.
Then Slinky comes in with his "I suspect marty" post. This adds a 3rd villager to the set of candidates (the 4rd candidate being Lemeard). Marty and slinky start fighting.
Then randakar v1 announces he was walrus' first scan, and we get the whole discussion surrounding it. Steed is especially adamant in attacking my previous incarnation:
Im sorry, but anybody can make up PM conversations..
In between there we find jonti posting this:
The question now is: What were the roles of the other people who got run up yesterday? They being EURO and Lem IIRC. The switch to Jamie struck me at the time as being odd so I think we should be looking at both the people who turned Jamie's vote into a tank of musicians, and the other candidates in the final TIE.
Which looked rather significant to me at the time but it got drowned in other spam. Does this sound like wolf talk? Given the conversation happening at the time, why would he risk putting the spotlight back on EURO? Or did he think EURO was in no danger anyway?
Hmn.
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edit: Looking at Jonti's first day EURO vote he seems pretty cleared to me. Look at this:
Unvote Lord D Vote EURO.
Because yes.
And the count directly afterwards:
Jamie (3)...Lord D, Randy, Walrus
Euro (3)...human, AOK, Jonti
Lemmy (3)...Kaetje, Slinky, Jamie
human (2)...Lemmy, Steed
TT (1)...Euro,
Lord D (1)...marty
walrus (1)...TT,
NV: Lord Strange, jacob_Lundgren
Jonti could have tied humancalculator in there instead of EURO without looking suspect at all but didn't. His vote then stayed there, while apparently he was offline (if EURO's claim of him and lemeard chasing sheep is to be believed) so unable to snipe away. More importantly his vote could have driven the vote away from euro with a 3 way tie and EURO not in it.
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Back to day 2 - talking about my claim that I got scanned and cleared by walrus.
However I agree that all evidence can be forged, however as a wolf to do this, you have to either be certain you or a fellow wolf was scanned or you have to be desperate. Since randakar doesn't strike me as desperate it could only be the first thing which is a pretty bold gamble for a wolf to take. For the moment I consider randakar a villager.
Defending me is nice. It's also a nice wolf tactic in this particular case ;-)
Kaetje's strong case against him (strong as in her being sure of his guilt rather than any evidence) strikes me as off - with so little evidence, why go adter him so hard?
And another one. Of course Kaetje *was* suspicious - to me too - though I was going back and forth between her being a villager and her not being a villager.
But why was she hunted if she really made a decent suspect?
More proof that jonti is likely good: On day 2 jonti goes after EURO - again.
Vote EUROO7.He seems suspicious because of the way he is acting, esepcially yesterday, and is worth putting into the running at the least.
Then we get the huge pile of spam that Slinky and Marty produced. I won't reproduce it here (pointless), but I will give
the link.
The main thing here is - slinky was being rather analytic. Sure, his suspicions are *wrong*, but slinky had no reason to go after marty just yet if slinky was a wolf. There were plenty of villagers getting votes. Except for the one EURO vote (jonti's) that is ..
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Votecount mid day on day 2:
Thistletooth -2; EUROO7, Lord_D
Lemeard - 2; Thistletooth, marty99
Randakar - 1; Kaetje
Kaetje - 1; Randakar
marty99 - 1; Slinky
Lord Strange - 1; Steed
EUROO7 - 1; Lord Strange
Note how EURO's vote is stuck on Thistle. There is an argument for TT's innocense right there. Not too strong since TT didn't actually get lynched
but at least a small one.
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Discussion between EURO and jonti - why jonti was voting EURO:
It just struck me as odd the way you were acting, not just saving your rear. And if it was Skarionlogic, I'd be asking you if you were "an [sic] wolf" and accept your answer.
Yet more evidence that jonti is clean ;-)
Immediately followed by:
Jonti has received no attention. Lets get him.
Given how I consider jonti cleared (moreso than AOK, I'd dare say) that puts him on my 'hmm..' list.
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Wait - jonti, didn't you say Lemeard would hunt you for something or other if he were a wolf the previous game?
Do you think that that's still true?
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As for your packmate Thistle, Don't be so obvious in being his packmate, AOK. What will they think?
Unvote TT
Vote Jonti
Because AOK has no votes.
Here EURO moves away. He was driving to get TT lynched. And when randakar v1 moves his vote (making a 5-way tie) to TT this happens:
Excellent!
Unvote Jonti
Vote TT
The third vote on thistle, putting TT in the lead.
( Which is then immediately followed by AOK moving his vote to EURO - clearly convinced by the tiebreak that EURO is worth lynching. )
Hmn.
The more I look at it the more I think thistle is a bad lynch here. Wolves voting wolves is one thing, but putting a packmate in the lead?
Right now this means there are 4(!) bad lynches in the current lineup of candidates. In order of clearedness: LS, Jonti, AOK, Thistle. 5 if I count myself. Not bad - unless I'm wrong ;-)
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Next: Caps lock wars. When the caps has no effect, suddenly AOK and EURO decide to switch to TT (again)
It doesn't last though - when the deadline nears AOK says this:
Lets kill this guy. Seriously.
"this guy" being humancalculator.
Because:
The way I typically do things in these spots is to get as much info as I can to work with and then wipe out someone who lacks any kind of record.
Human fits the bill. No real thoughts in any of his posts. Meaningless votes. He is a black hole as far as analysis is concerned, and thus he is a prime target for elimination via the noose.
Meanwhile in the background, Slinky switches away from marty:
From that long post of yours I would say that you are indeed a villager. Kaetje was during the day shaping up as your packmate, but now that you are 'cleared' in my mind, I don't have much of a case against her either
Some very villagerish behaviour, up to the point of making it almost wolfish
.
He moves his vote to Lemeard - putting Lemeard in the lead, and thus making it very unlikely that Lemeard and Slinky are packmates.
Followed up by this:
We have alot on Lem. I would let him be for now. We need to wipe out the people with no record. Human, Steed, Jonti, Lord S.
LS and Jonti the likely villagers, human the confirmed villager, and Steed? hmm.
The count at the time:
Lem -4- Thistle, Marty, Randakar, Slinky
Thistle -3- Lord_D, AOK, Euro
Euro -2- LS, Jonti,
marty -1- Lemeard
Slinky -1- Kaetje,
LS -1- Steed
Another flurry of vote switches, this time between EURO and Lem:
LS already has one vote, I think, let's do him.
Unvote TT
Vote LS
And we have a jumper.
Unvote LS
Vote Lemeard
TT is once again out of the picture. Trouble with that is that that makes it hard for me to clear him. Or Lem, for that matter. Much of the early day vote switches are meaningless what with AOK stating his intent to get rid of inactive chaff in the vote cycle.
Especially when considering the next chain of events:
How about Lord D? Lets off him and call it a day.
UNVOTE TT
VOTE Lord D
Lets concentrate our votes and get rid of a black hole on my and TT's analysis sheets. (The odds favor at least one of us being innocent.
)
.. which leads to the final runup between Lord_D and humancalculator.
The interesting bit is the way the tie happened. Slinky's snipe looks rather suspect even though he may not have seen Lord_D's unvote. The thing is, I've seen him do this before - in a previous big game. In that particular case he was a wolf though.
hmn.
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edit:
Another observation: Somewhere during day 2 the_hdk apologises for his mailbox being full. Apparently our wolves are spammers ;-)
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One more thing: AOK never moving his vote off EURO on day 1 does not entirely clear him. He has enough influence to just go "Everyone vote X" shortly before the deadline and have a reasonable shot at getting EURO off the hook. He may have gotten lucky that I sort of did it for him ..
