Roman empire (Byzantinum) updates

[Biges]

Hi,

so there's that enormously long discussion 'bout RE (Byz) fantasy and/or non-fantasy events and maybee there are some outcomes from this, but I don't know about them and maybee I'm not alone. So far, there was one major update of fantasy events in EPP mod, which are the same as in AGCEPP, so there's the updated file, just replace existing fantasy events file.
I also wilfuly made some changes without conculting anyone and will surely receive 10 BB for this:
1) The reneissance event now add Slavonic culture as well and.
Time limits for absorbtion of some Turkish provinces are relaxed. (~ years more, nothing eccentric)

http://www.biges.org/AGCEEP_Fantasy_Byzantium.rar

I know there are some other updates, new leaders* etc., so post them here, if you will. Please do not discuss it there, I hope this place may serve only for upload/download.

*

from Mettermrck, the Fuehrer of the Dance:

If anyone wants to try it out, I integrated the IDs with 1.37.1, using available leader IDs from 09580-09599, 09575-09579, 09676-09679, and 19652-19658.

The file is here: http://www.geocities.com/vercellae/leaders.zip . Remember to backup your leaders.byz before you use it.

 

[LlywelynII]

List of BYZ-related threads at Paradox

Hey, if you don't mind me piggybacking, this also seems like an appropriate place to bring together a list of BYZ discussions, ideas and threads. There's so much disagreement between people, mgmt, etc. that even some of the really good events just end up sitting around. Ouiji really wasn't ever an "update" - but someone tied up his events into file instead of making you cut-and-paste for yourself, so it's easier to get at.

For those who don't mind wading and have a fast internet connexion:

• AGCEEP Combined BYZ Forum
• AGC (only) BYZ Fantasy Events Forum
• EEP (only) BYZ forum
• Aberration BYZ Forum (Alternate reality BYZ events)
• EEP Byzantium Code Only Thread
• Byzantium leaders thread
• Mad King James's BYZ thread (great ideas; none coded, tho)
• Byzantium events addendum for EEP thread (by Mr. Ouija)
• Angelscotboi's BYZ/TRE thread (Not the greatest, but plays up the Komnenoi angle)
• Francophone BYZ Forum (Louis-Philippe has good stuff - translation's on the AGCEEP BYZ thread)
• EEP Byzantium Mod Annex (Driftwood & co.)
• Byzantium has gone too far EEP Thread (the first backlash thread)
• Aww, no third or more sets of casus belli shields for Byzantium? (the inevitable result )
• Byzan Shields? (the eternal question...)
• Byzantium illusion (by Helium Hound)
• Byzantine empire thread (from before EEP called itself the EEP,) and
• EEP Byzantium Mod Team (by Dauid Komnenos - the baby that started it all... Crook & co. excepted )

Also useful:

• The Great Rome Mod
• The Grand Unified Strategy Thread (Byzantium)
• The EUII LibrAARy (Byzantium and Roman entries)
• 1419-1820 History Forum (and the Pre-1419 stuff's next door)

All of the threads where CK players whine about how overpowered BYZ is or how they can't keep their dynasty on top are kind of nonhelpful, right?

Please pm me if I'm missing anything
(it's difficult to search for threads no-one has posted to for a year or more)
& let's not clutter up this thread too badly,
jay.

 

[Norrefeldt]

There's hardly anything that sees so much action and so little outcome (nothing has been added to AGCEEP since it started). The problem is of course that's what is mostly asked for are fantasy additions, and then there's nothing real to relate to and people want everything from relatively plausible scenarios to things only Hollywood can dream up..

 

[LlywelynII]

There's hardly anything that sees so much action and so little outcome (nothing has been added to AGCEEP since it started). The problem is of course that's what is mostly asked for are fantasy additions, and then there's nothing real to relate to and people want everything from relatively plausible scenarios to things only Hollywood can dream up..

Honestly, though, I can't see why. In all those threads, the people who go crazy complaining are demanding that it doesn't make sense, BYZ should be crushed, there should be an event in 1453 that annexes them to TUR just in case the AI doesn't get the hint, etc.

In other words, people who aren't playing BYZ in the first place. I really think that a moderate (non-add-every-core-from-Trajan's-empire ) set of events should be added, esp. since there's an entire setting to purify the game for the people who don't like the idea, but I guess a couple of us will have to piece it together first like Ouija did.

Considering a BYZ resurgence always depends on loans, cavalry and ships the real empire just didn't have, I can't see that it makes much difference as long as it's fun and doesn't cause MP to go haywire.

Night, everybody,
jay.

 

[crash63]

Byzantine expansion is only possible with a human player. I don't see a problem, it's his choice to take fantasy (and maybe ahistorical) events in a game. It's the same thing for Granada for example.

 

[Norrefeldt]

Honestly, though, I can't see why. In all those threads, the people who go crazy complaining are demanding that it doesn't make sense, BYZ should be crushed, there should be an event in 1453 that annexes them to TUR just in case the AI doesn't get the hint, etc.

Yes, that's coming up often. I think people misunderstand, and think that all, often rather wild, ideas are going to be added to the normal scenario, and not the Fantasy version.

In other words, people who aren't playing BYZ in the first place. I really think that a moderate (non-add-every-core-from-Trajan's-empire ) set of events should be added, esp. since there's an entire setting to purify the game for the people who don't like the idea, but I guess a couple of us will have to piece it together first like Ouija did.

Sure, I agree. So far this area have had more ideas than any other, yet nothing have been submitted so far.

 

[LlywelynII]

Sure, I agree. So far this area have had more ideas than any other, yet nothing have been submitted so far.

Well, neat-o. I've got some killer events translated from Louis-Philippe in the forum francais that just need to be toned down and some more that I'm working on. People seem to like them, but I'll get it all formatted and wotnot before I send it in.

jay.

 

[Truchses]

What's always the problem with fantasy events? EU2 is still a game, not a film, right? If anybody plays BYZ or any other country, he most likely don't aim to get annexed, not at the right day, and not at all. Will people who demand historical events always play the exact historical path? The historical events are bending the game rules. Heavily. Some countries get overproportional help to force them into a specific direction. For example Moskau is expected to conquer Novgorod, become Russia, crush the Golden Horde, go to Sibir and take the mantle of the Khans, thus annexing Sibir. It gets massive help through ebents to achieve that. Would it be that easy for another country? What if I play Poland or and conquer Moskau/Russia and go to Sibir? Would I get the same help? Else, honestly, isn't that heavily cheating?

I don't mind this kind of cheating. I play to achieve different, of course unhistorical outcomes of a historical situation. Maybe I do things better than historical monarchs did, of course, as I know bad consequences. Maybe I am trying to succeed where they failed. Some people even try to conquer the world with Sioux or something like that. Some intend to reconstitute Germany, starting with a german minor. I guess most players will most likely play unhistorical while they expect the AI countries to act historical to keep the circumstances the same. I mean the circumstances under which a player wants to change the historical path.

There is another reason for fantasy events: The players actions are heavily and unnecessarily restricted. Not that for example it is impossible in EU2 that a country changes it's shape, and for example Moskau becomes Russia, or England becomes Great Britain, or a german minor becomes Germany. Just the player is not allowed to do it. But it can be made by events. Same with culture changes. Culture changes happened historically, as did religion changes. As player you can change the religion of a province with conversion. But there is no way to change the culture.This has to happen with events or by manipulating the savefile. That's even the exact and only way Byzanz turns to turkish, once the Ottomans conquer it. It's not because the player decides, but due to events. Ok, you people know this. But at least some people need to be reminded when it comes to talk about fantasy events. If the Ottomans get this massive help, than why not the Byzantines the other way around? And in some cases it's just to lift some restriction, like with culture or tag change.

 

[LlywelynII]

Updated BYZ Support Files

BYZ random leaders

Grecified names, got rid of the silly ones (including the Popes ), and added some Imperial family names

BYZ;Palaiologos
BYZ;Komnenos
BYZ;Monomakhos
BYZ;Laskaris
BYZ;Botaniates
BYZ;Murtzuphlos
BYZ;Burtzes
BYZ;Tzetzes
BYZ;Mystikos
BYZ;Kapetanos
BYZ;Angelos
BYZ;Doukas
BYZ;Katakouzenos
BYZ;Ioannes
BYZ;Theodoros
BYZ;Stefanos
BYZ;Georgios
BYZ;Petros
BYZ;Pavlos
BYZ;Sergios
BYZ;Menas
BYZ;Konstantinos
BYZ;Theodosios
BYZ;Iulianos
BYZ;Anastasios
BYZ;Thomas
BYZ;Andreas
BYZ;Kosmas
BYZ;Gregorios
BYZ;Leon
BYZ;Alexandros
BYZ;Narses
BYZ;Dorotheos
BYZ;Kallinikos
BYZ;Kyros
BYZ;Germanos
BYZ;Eustathios
BYZ;Mikhael
BYZ;Zacharias
BYZ;Iustinos
BYZ;Niketas
BYZ;Theophylaktos
BYZ;Athanasios
BYZ;Basileios
BYZ;Komitas
BYZ;Romanos
BYZ;Theodotos
BYZ;Anatolios
BYZ;Eusebios
BYZ;Marianos
BYZ;Markianos
BYZ;Patrikios
BYZ;Strategios
BYZ;Damianos
BYZ;Demetrios
BYZ;Isaakios
BYZ;Theopemptos
BYZ;Dioskoros
BYZ;Gabriel
BYZ;Markos
BYZ;Maurikios
BYZ;Prokopios
BYZ;Abramios
BYZ;Laurentios
BYZ;Phillippos
BYZ;Philoxenos
BYZ;Phokas
BYZ;Asterios
BYZ;Dauidos
BYZ;Diogenes
BYZ;Gennadios
BYZ;Heraklios
BYZ;Iakobos
BYZ;Iustinianos
BYZ;Olympios
BYZ;Palladios
BYZ;Iosephos
BYZ;Nikolaos
BYZ;Nonnos
BYZ;Photios
BYZ;Platon
BYZ;Timotheos
BYZ;Andronikos
BYZ;Kyrillos
BYZ;Dionysios
BYZ;Epiphanios
BYZ;Gerontios
BYZ;Philagrios
BYZ;Serenos
BYZ;Solomon
BYZ;Symeon
BYZ;Theoktistos
BYZ;Theodorikos
BYZ;Apion
BYZ;Armentarios
BYZ;Asklepios
BYZ;Bassos
BYZ;Khristophoros
BYZ;Demosthenes
BYZ;Desiderios
BYZ;Dynamios
BYZ;Eutychianos
BYZ;Adrianos
BYZ;Iordanes
BYZ;Makedonios
BYZ;Maurianos
BYZ;Nikephoros
BYZ;Samuel
BYZ;Seueros
BYZ;Sisinnios
BYZ;Tatianos
BYZ;Theophanes
BYZ;Theophilios
BYZ;Tribounos
BYZ;Zemarkhos
BYZ;Anthemios
BYZ;Arkhelaos
BYZ;Asklepiodotos
BYZ;Belisarios
BYZ;Konon
BYZ;Diomedes
BYZ;Ennodios
BYZ;Eugenes
BYZ;Eulogios
BYZ;Euphemios
BYZ;Hypatios
BYZ;Lukinos
BYZ;Makrobios
BYZ;Manuel
BYZ;Olybrios
BYZ;Pavlinos
BYZ;Skholastikos
BYZ;Sebastianos
BYZ;Soterichos
BYZ;Symmachos
BYZ;Theodulos
BYZ;Tryphon
BYZ;Vasakios
BYZ;Zenon
BYZ;Anthimos
BYZ;Aphthonios
BYZ;Apollinarios
BYZ;Aristomakhos
BYZ;Armatos
BYZ;Arsaphios
BYZ;Akindynos
BYZ;Agapetos
BYZ;Bakkhos
BYZ;Baduaruos
BYZ;Boithios
BYZ;Kaisarios
BYZ;Kalopodios
BYZ;Karellos
BYZ;Hermongenes
BYZ;Deuterios
BYZ;Komentas
BYZ;Komentiolos
BYZ;Daniel
BYZ;Lazaros
BYZ;Elpidius
BYZ;Eudaimonos
BYZ;Maurentius
BYZ;Mauros
BYZ;Megas
BYZ;Niketios
BYZ;Nilos
BYZ;Olympiodoros
BYZ;Opilion
BYZ;Paschalios
BYZ;Petronios
BYZ;Philippikos
BYZ;Photinus
BYZ;Syagrios
BYZ;Theodorakios
BYZ;Theodoretos
BYZ;Theogenios
BYZ;Sarapion
BYZ;Tzittas
BYZ;Viglios
BYZ;Anatolikos
BYZ;Zoilos
BYZ;Aineas
BYZ;Apollon
BYZ;Beppolenos
BYZ;Bakauda
BYZ;Barbaros
BYZ;Batzas
BYZ;Kharegiselos
BYZ;Khilbudios
BYZ;Aristobulos
BYZ;Armenikos
BYZ;Arsenios
BYZ;Strongbados
BYZ;Konstantios
BYZ;Kyrikos
BYZ;Didymus
BYZ;Domentziolos
BYZ;Eudoxios
BYZ;Eulalios
BYZ;Eulampios
BYZ;Eupatarios
BYZ;Euphratas
BYZ;Euphronios
BYZ;Eustochios
BYZ;Eustratios
BYZ;Euthalios
BYZ;Eutolmios
BYZ;Eutykhios
BYZ;Droserios
BYZ;Domnitziolos
BYZ;Frankios
BYZ;Genethlios
BYZ;Godilas
BYZ;Helias
BYZ;Helladios
BYZ;Hermias
BYZ;Herodianos
BYZ;Marthanes
BYZ;Martyrios
BYZ;Megistus
BYZ;Melminios
BYZ;Menandros
BYZ;Menelaos
BYZ;Musonius
BYZ;Nazares
BYZ;Pamphilus
BYZ;Pankratios
BYZ;Pantagathos
BYZ;Papirios
BYZ;Perigenes
BYZ;Petronas
BYZ;Philaretos
BYZ;Plakidos
BYZ;Prinkeps
BYZ;Romulos
BYZ;Senuthios
BYZ;Sittas
BYZ;Smaragdos
BYZ;Spekiosos
BYZ;Synesios
BYZ;Theokharistos
BYZ;Theon
BYZ;Theotimus
BYZ;Varazes
BYZ;Vrbikos
BYZ;Zenobios

Greek Colony Names

Took out the Latin names, added new ones

BYZ;Nea Smyrna;45
BYZ;Philadelphia;86
BYZ;Basilissetopia;1568
BYZ;Pontos Argyros (Silver Sea);South America
BYZ;Pontos Chrysos (Sea of Gold);Carribean
BYZ;Okeanos;East Africa
BYZ;Pontos Artutikos(Sea of Pepper);Indonesia
BYZ;Nea Alexandreopolis;87
BYZ;Nea Thessaloniki;Carribean
BYZ;Nea Athene;Carribean
BYZ;Nea Mystra;Carribean
BYZ;Agios Thomas;India
BYZ;Agios Basileios;Siberia
BYZ;Agios Andreas;North America
BYZ;Agios Markos;East Africa
BYZ;Agios Georgios;Carribean
BYZ;Nea Beirytos;Central America
BYZ;Nea Hierosolyma;Central America
BYZ;Eleousapolis (City of the Merciful Lady);Central America
BYZ;Utopia;1466
BYZ;Eutopia;Carribean
BYZ;Nea Kosmopolis (City of the New World); South America
BYZ;Telonia (places where the souls of dead sinners are stopped and examined by demons personifying various sins);Siberia
BYZ;Hades;Siberia
BYZ;Nea Athos;(that one on the edge of africa)
BYZ;Atlantiopolis;54
BYZ;Sarakenopolis;East Africa
BYZ;Dystopia;Siberia
BYZ;Kakotopia;Siberia
BYZ;Nea Ellena;South America
BYZ;Nea Thrakes;South America
BYZ;Amerikeopolis;South America
BYZ;Nea Barbareia;Siberia
BYZ;Aereopolis (Windy City);73
BYZ;Nea Anatoleia;Australia
BYZ;Thanatopolis;Siberia
BYZ;Nea Romania;North America
BYZ;Dystaxeopolis (City of Chaos);Siberia
BYZ;Heterodoxeia (Land of Heretics);Siberia
BYZ;Nea Sinope;Australia
BYZ;Nea Trebzon;723
BYZ;Nea Serbeia;South America
BYZ;Adrianopolis;North America
BYZ;Georgeia;55
BYZ;Sopheopolis;103
BYZ;Nea Bulgareia;North America
BYZ;Nea Eithiopeia;East Africa
BYZ;Antiocheia;North America
BYZ;Nea Paphlagoneia;1479
BYZ;Hikanateia;North America
BYZ;Psychosostipolis (City of our Lady the Savior of Souls);230
BYZ;Agia Helena;824
BYZ;Hagia Trias;1569
BYZ;Nea Kretes;139
BYZ;Nea Kandeia;137
BYZ;Nea Kypria;140
BYZ;Gorgoepekoopolis (City of She who Quickly Answers Prayer);814
BYZ;Kecharitomeneopolis (City of Our Lady Full of Grace);812
BYZ;Panagiapolis (City of the All-Holy Lady);813
BYZ;Panoiktirmonopolis (City of the All-Merciful Lord);815
BYZ;Philanthropopolis (City of our Lord, Lover of Man);85
BYZ;Prodromopolis (City of the Forerunner);816
BYZ;Peribleptopolis (City of our Eminent Lady);809
BYZ;Pantanassapolis (City of our All-Ruling Lady);810
BYZ;Pantokratopolis (City of our All-Ruling Lord);808
BYZ;Theotokopolis (City of the God-bearer);807
BYZ;Kosmosoteriapolis (City of Our Lady Savior of the World);811
BYZ;Neoiakobopolis;102
BYZ;Polis tou Angeliou;11
BYZ;Annapolis;68
BYZ;Megalokastron;Any
BYZ;Kastron Iustinion (Kastron Justinian);Any
BYZ;Patrikiopolis;Any
BYZ;Nea Aigypteia;Any
BYZ;Neopolis;Any
BYZ;Eupsuchopolis (City of Valor);Any
BYZ;Kastron Basileion;Any
BYZ;Kastron Laskarinon;Any
BYZ;Kastron Alexion;Any
BYZ;Nea Italeia;Any
BYZ;Nea Palaistina;Any
BYZ;Monastiraki;Any
BYZ;Andronikopolis;Any
BYZ;Magdalena;Any
BYZ;Kallipolis;Any
BYZ;Pentapolis;Any
BYZ;Neopatras;Any
BYZ;Kastron Komene;Any
BYZ;Heraklea;Any
BYZ;Kastron Konstantinon;Any
BYZ;Kastron Nikolaon;Any
BYZ;Alexiopolis;Any
BYZ;Kastron Doukana;Any
BYZ;Eutaxeopolis (City of Order);Any
BYZ;Kastron Palaiologon;Any
BYZ;Basileia;Any
BYZ;Sozopolis;Any
BYZ;Eleftheriopolis;Any
BYZ;Nikomedeia;Any
BYZ;Seleukia;Any
BYZ;Konstanteia;Any
BYZ;Theodoseia;Any
BYZ;Tripolis;Any
BYZ;Evergetipolis (City of the Benefactress);Any
BYZ;Palaiokastron;Any
BYZ;Theodoreia;Any
BYZ;Selymbreia;Any
BYZ;Eleutheropolis;Any
BYZ;Xenopolis;Any
BYZ;Nea Armeneia;Any
BYZ;Siderokastron;Any
BYZ;Ioannina;Any

BYZ army names

BYZ;Scholai Tagma
BYZ;Exkoubitoi Tagma
BYZ;Vigla Tagma
BYZ;Hikanatoi Tagma
BYZ;Thema Thrakes
BYZ;Thema Anatolikas
BYZ;Thema Makedonias
BYZ;Noumeroi Tagma
BYZ;Optimatoi Tagma
BYZ;Aytokratorike Froura
BYZ;Phoideratoi Tagma
BYZ;Ellenikos Stratos
BYZ;Tagma Peloponesou
BYZ;Athenatoi Tagma
BYZ;Kandidatoi Tagma
BYZ;Arithmoi Tagma
BYZ;The Walls
BYZ;Thema Smyrnes
BYZ;Thema Opsikias
BYZ;Thema Paphlagonias
BYZ;Thema Kappadokias
BYZ;Thema Armeniakas
BYZ;Mesogeiakos Stratos
BYZ;Stratos Vulgarias
BYZ;Thema Epiros
BYZ;Thema Romelias
BYZ;Stratos Syrias
BYZ;Thema Seleukeias
BYZ;Stratos Italias
BYZ;Thema Palaistines
BYZ;Stratos Aigyptou
BYZ;Stratos Ano Afrikes
BYZ;Thema Tripoleos

How do I upload the files? or should people just cut and paste these to their own?

jay.