Byzantine-Trebizond Events

bombshellboi · Jan 19, 2004

East Med Events and GC Addendum

EDIT:
These Events are no longer a Byzantine and Trebizond Improvement but rapidly growing to be an Eastern Med Improvement set of events, and many general tweaks are added.
Details below.

*Updated for 7th Feb Beta Patch*

Here is what is Changes by these events and files:-
-Additional Events for Byzantium
-New Leaders for Byzantium
-New Monarchs for Byzantium
-Add On Events for Papal States
-Some Extra Events for Trebizond
-Additional Monarchs for Trebizond
-New Events for Jerusalem
-New Monarchs for Jerusalem (Thanks Ayeshteni)
-Related Events for Spain, Genoa, France, Austria, Hungary, and Venice
-Removed Armenian Culture from Caucasia/Asia Minor
-Changed Georgian to Caucasian
-Expanded Caucasian a bit north and south
-Changed Cores for BYZ, TRE
-Changed Syrian to Judeo-Syrian
-Expanded Judeo-Syrian south
-Mamelukes lose cores on Levant
-Mamelukes get Casusbelli on JER when freed
-Split Iberian into Portuguese(canary), Spanish(iberian), and Catalan(armenian)
-Expanded Basque into Cantabria and Gascogne
-Expanded Portuguese into Galicia
-Placed Catalan in Roussilon, Gerona, and Catalonia
-Moved Eire capital to Leinster
-Gave Eire fortresses
-Byz can defeat Turkey before Genoan funds event and still get reforms
-Genoa gets cores on Kaffa & Kerch in Genoan Funds event
-Gave Aragon Catalan culture to start with
-Gave Portugal Portuguese Culture to start with instead of Spanish
-Changed Georgian Cores
-Gave Georgia claims on the Caucasian states event
-Byzantium option to aid Georgia conquer Caucasia
-Georgia division event
-Gave England cores on the provinces they begin GC with; which they lose when they lose French culture.
-Removed cores for the French duchies on most of France except their Ducal lands and the Capital.
-Orleans has additional core on Champagne.
-Brittany has additional cores on Maine, Vendee, and Normandie.
-France has lost its cores on Artois, Bourgogne, and Franche Comte which it regains upon Burgundinian inheritance.
-Burgundy gained cores on Picardie and Calais.
-Lowered Population in Thrace to 20000 and give extra Pop in Revival of Empire/City of Mens Desire events.
-Altered TRE Restore the Empire event
-Altered GRE Restore the Empire event.
-Athens can now become Greece.
-Athens can become Orthodox.
-Tuscany is able to annex Athens.
-Created Moorish culture out of Aka.
-Placed Moorish in Grenada, Gibraltar, Tangiers, Fez, and Toubkal.
-Added Army, Navy, and Colony names for Grenada and Morocco.
-Changed national cultures of Grenada, Morocco, Fez and Algeria to reflect movement of Cultures.

To Come(?):
-Expulsion of the Turks event
-Expand cores in Balkans event
-Claim south Italy Event
-Byz gets Turkish culture event
-More events for Jerusalem
-More Papacy Events
-More Georgian events
-Byzantine/Georgian anschluss event
-Byz gets Caucasian culture event
-Byz/(Everyone else) conflict events like Turkey has
-Byz reaction to Reformation
-Trebizond Republic Events
-More Flavour events
-Create divergent Scot dynasty after English Civil War or Hanoverian rule in London
-More Scot events especially concerning Scot rule in Ireland
-English-Scot conflicts over Ireland
-Include Dutch revolts for Scotland
-Irish feudal/High Kingship events concerning Scot-English claims over Ireland
-Zealous independence events for Navarra/Portugal
-Sicilian/Sardinian events
-Zealous independence events for Ireland
-Akk, Qar, GH, Astrakhan, Crimean, Armenian, Dulkadiri, and Tre reactions to Georgian manifest destiny event
-Byz disputes Austrian inheritance of Hungary event

Events Now in the Downloads section of my Lycos.co.uk Website:
Mediterranean Events Mod-Feb7thBetaVersion4

Enjoy!

Sikker · Jan 22, 2004

angelscotboi said:
I want to know if i should script some events for a reclaimation of the holy land scenario for Byzantium?

I think that would be very nice if you did ... preferably some working ones (contrary to the current Byzantine event-add-on)

bombshellboi · Jan 22, 2004

Ok, how are these two events?

I havent tested them or anything yet - just running these by everyone first...think they would work?

#Reclaim the Holy Land#
event = {
id = 15013
trigger = {
owned = { province = 357 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 320 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 321 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 356 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 358 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 359 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 360 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 361 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 464 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 465 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 475 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 478 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 479 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 480 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 481 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 484 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 820 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 355 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 362 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 363 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 364 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 322 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 319 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 318 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 464 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 465 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 474 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 476 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 477 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 482 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 483 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 1609 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 1610 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 1611 data = -1 }
}

random = no
country = BYZ
name = "EVENTNAME15013"
desc = "EVENTHIST15013"
style = 1

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1515 }
offset = 200
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1695 }

action_a = { #Reclaim the Holy Land!#
name = "ACTIONNAME15013A"
command = { type = addcore which = 485 }
command = { type = addcore which = 486 }
command = { type = addcore which = 490 }
command = { type = addcore which = 491 }
command = { type = addcore which = 492 }
command = { type = addcore which = 493 }
command = { type = badboy value = 1 }
command = { type = stability value = -1 }
command = { type = relation which = MAM value = -200 }
command = { type = relation which = ADE value = -200 }
command = { type = relation which = ARA value = -200 }
command = { type = relation which = CRI value = -200 }
command = { type = relation which = PER value = -200 }
command = { type = relation which = STE value = -200 }
command = { type = relation which = TIM value = -200 }
command = { type = relation which = CAL value = -200 }
command = { type = relation which = AKK value = -200 }
command = { type = relation which = QAR value = -200 }
command = { type = relation which = MOG value = -200 }
}
action_b = { #No leave that nightmare alone#
name = "ACTIONNAME15013B"
command = { type = relation which = MAM value = 100 }
command = { type = relation which = ADE value = 100 }
command = { type = relation which = ARA value = 100 }
command = { type = relation which = CRI value = 100 }
command = { type = relation which = PER value = 100 }
command = { type = relation which = STE value = 100 }
command = { type = relation which = TIM value = 100 }
command = { type = relation which = CAL value = 100 }
command = { type = relation which = AKK value = 100 }
command = { type = relation which = QAR value = 100 }
command = { type = relation which = MOG value = 100 }
command = { type = domestic which = innovative value = 2 }
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = badboy value = -5 }
command = { type = sleepevent which = 15014 }
}
}

#The Fall of the Levant#
event = {
id = 15014
trigger = {
owned = { province = 493 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 492 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 491 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 490 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 486 data = -1 }
owned = { province = 485 data = -1 }
}

random = no
country = BYZ
name = "EVENTNAME15014"
desc = "EVENTHIST15014"
style = 1

date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1515 }
offset = 200
deathdate = { day = 1 month = january year = 1695

action_a = { #Good#
name = "ACTIONNAME15014A"
command = { type = stability value = 1 }
command = { type = treasury value = 150 }

}
}

Sikker · Jan 22, 2004

Seems alright ... if all those required provinces aren't located in Asia ...

bombshellboi · Jan 22, 2004

Sikker said:
Seems alright ... if all those required provinces aren't located in Asia ...

The cores required to fire the Reclaim the Holy Land event are the cores I started Byzantium off with in the inc file and the cores i give them in the revival of the Empire event - it makes sense that the Empire would need to rule all of his "Core" territories before striking out on a campaign to expand at the expense of the Muslims...

Ayeshteni · Jan 22, 2004

hi.

I like your events by the way in your zip. These two however, I am not so sure. While I agree in part with your reckoning about the cores, I dont think ALL of them are necessary. For instance, the Levant was/is and always will be an important resourceful and strategic location to own, surely an expansionist Byzantium would look to al-Sham (Syria and the levant) in such expansion before trying to retake certain mountainous and unimportant provinces out 'in the sticks'. Also the amount of provinces needed for the event to trigger within such a 'short' timespan (you would have to be a rampaging monster to gain them all, in which case why bother with the event), seems unrealistic, and besides giving 1BB point for choice A seems to me like farting in a tornado. The choice B "No, leave that nightmare alone" I think should only give about +50 rather than +100 (now I am being picky

)

Soz, if this sounds critical, but I REALLY do like your events, I just think the first one here needs a bit of work. But keep it up I would like to see more. nice job

yours
Ayeshteni

bombshellboi · Jan 22, 2004

Ayeshteni said:
hi.

I like your events by the way in your zip. These two however, I am not so sure. While I agree in part with your reckoning about the cores, I dont think ALL of them are necessary. For instance, the Levant was/is and always will be an important resourceful and strategic location to own, surely an expansionist Byzantium would look to al-Sham (Syria and the levant) in such expansion before trying to retake certain mountainous and unimportant provinces out 'in the sticks'. Also the amount of provinces needed for the event to trigger within such a 'short' timespan (you would have to be a rampaging monster to gain them all, in which case why bother with the event), seems unrealistic, and besides giving 1BB point for choice A seems to me like farting in a tornado. The choice B "No, leave that nightmare alone" I think should only give about +50 rather than +100 (now I am being picky )

Soz, if this sounds critical, but I REALLY do like your events, I just think the first one here needs a bit of work. But keep it up I would like to see more. nice job

yours
Ayeshteni

I should probably remove the island provinces as required provinces to trigger the event yes?

Also which provinces do you think would be most suitable to trigger it?

Sikker · Jan 24, 2004

angelscotboi said:
I should probably remove the island provinces as required provinces to trigger the event yes?

Also which provinces do you think would be most suitable to trigger it?

you need a solid base in order to attempt this conquest.

So Macedonia and Thrace (though on the wrong side of the strait there is manpower and grain for the troops).
Smyrna and Anatolia (without them there seems to lack a backbone for the operation).
Perhaps Trebizond (old territory that any Greek ruler would find more important).
Angora, Adana, Dulkadir, and Taurus (you need acces, but also you need to be sure that the access i safe and noone will interfere with troop movement).

If you want more provinces that could help improve your claims, you could say that you would need Cyprus (as ownership of Cyprus could give you some rights from the old Kingdom of Jerusalem).
Maybe all of Greece as a decent powerbase is needed in order to make sure Catholic Europe doesn't interfere.
You could take Ionia and Crete (as having them would have weakened Venice to such a degree that their objections would hold no real power over you - they can't touch you anyway).
You could add Rhodes too, as one could argue that the Hospitallers would go through the roof if they smelled blood in the Holy Lands again. (Personally I feel that it would be better to make some event for the Knight if they were still in Rhodes when the Holy Lands fall. They probably wouldn't interfere with the conquest (and probably wouldn't object either), but once conquored you can rest assured that they would throw in ALL of their ressources to make their CATHOLIC presence felt in the area. A diplomatic crisis would occur. The Knights' event: byz has Holy Lands - demand land? do nothing? demand presence? demand Kingdom of Jerusalem? Byz response event: attack? ignore? accept? ... and so forth

Ayeshteni · Jan 24, 2004

Sikker said:
you need a solid base in order to attempt this conquest.

So Macedonia and Thrace (though on the wrong side of the strait there is manpower and grain for the troops).
Smyrna and Anatolia (without them there seems to lack a backbone for the operation).
Perhaps Trebizond (old territory that any Greek ruler would find more important).
Angora, Adana, Dulkadir, and Taurus (you need acces, but also you need to be sure that the access i safe and noone will interfere with troop movement).

If you want more provinces that could help improve your claims, you could say that you would need Cyprus (as ownership of Cyprus could give you some rights from the old Kingdom of Jerusalem).
Maybe all of Greece as a decent powerbase is needed in order to make sure Catholic Europe doesn't interfere.
You could take Ionia and Crete (as having them would have weakened Venice to such a degree that their objections would hold no real power over you - they can't touch you anyway).
You could add Rhodes too, as one could argue that the Hospitallers would go through the roof if they smelled blood in the Holy Lands again. (Personally I feel that it would be better to make some event for the Knight if they were still in Rhodes when the Holy Lands fall. They probably wouldn't interfere with the conquest (and probably wouldn't object either), but once conquored you can rest assured that they would throw in ALL of their ressources to make their CATHOLIC presence felt in the area. A diplomatic crisis would occur. The Knights' event: byz has Holy Lands - demand land? do nothing? demand presence? demand Kingdom of Jerusalem? Byz response event: attack? ignore? accept? ... and so forth

mostly agrre on this. Macedonia, Thrace, Smyrna, Anatolia, Trebizond, Angora, Taurus and Adana. Cyprus would be good for a claim (but a seperate event could fire for that, rather than being a needed core). The other islands are not important, as is Greece (yes, too have them is good and helpful, just not necessary). The events for Rhodes would be a good idea as well. But not HAVING Rhodes: Christianity as a whole may look upon that as unfavourably as The Knights will on taking the Holy Land (to a degree).

yours
Ayeshteni

bombshellboi · Jan 24, 2004

Posted the new events on the first post.

I removed the islands and Kaffa and Kerch from the required cores in the Reclaim the Holy Land event.

I also added events for a "Crusade against Byzantium" for the Papacy, France, Spain, Hungary, and Austria which gives them a CB for 24 months if Byzantium refuses to invade the Levant...

Sikker · Jan 25, 2004

@Ayeshteni: Did you read my post at all?
- MAYBE all of Greece as a decent powerbase is needed in order to make sure Catholic Europe doesn't interfere. (IOW: only necessary to make sure the Catholics don't get any funny ideas)
- You COULD take Ionia and Crete (as having them would have weakened Venice to such a degree that their objections would hold no real power over you). (IOW: As above, only with regards to the greatest naval enemy of byz)
... so basically I fail to see what you are trying to add with your post ...

@angelscotboi: Why on earth should the catholics get a CB on byz if byz refuses to take the Holy Lands ... it is more like they should get a CB if they actually take the Holy Lands (and refuse to do with said lands what the pope wants to).

bombshellboi · Jan 25, 2004

The reason they get a CB is because the Pope has called for a crusade against the resurgent Byzantine state.

A resurgent Byzantium would be highly dangerous to a catholic west and if Byzantium had managed to claw back its territories and become powerful again then the Orthodoxy would once again be able to challenge the Pope so the Pope would pre-emptively strike at them.

The events are based on the premise that Byzantium fears a catholic attack on their rebuilt Empire - and agrees to attack the Levant to convince the Pope not to attack.
If they refused then a catholic attack would most certainly have eventually came - which is why the Crusade events are there...

Sikker · Jan 25, 2004

And so byz is to take Outremer to apeace the pope? How can an even further expansion of byz territory make the pope calm?
I think I misunderstood what you said here ...

bombshellboi · Jan 25, 2004

Because Byzantium would be the only Orthodox nation of note - all the others would have either been annexed or not inclined to aid Byzantium.
Whereas the Pope has many many catholic nations to call upon - seems quite sound reasoning to me...

Ayeshteni · Jan 26, 2004

Sikker said:
@Ayeshteni: Did you read my post at all?
- MAYBE all of Greece as a decent powerbase is needed in order to make sure Catholic Europe doesn't interfere. (IOW: only necessary to make sure the Catholics don't get any funny ideas)
- You COULD take Ionia and Crete (as having them would have weakened Venice to such a degree that their objections would hold no real power over you). (IOW: As above, only with regards to the greatest naval enemy of byz)
... so basically I fail to see what you are trying to add with your post ...

Indeed I did read your post. And at the time of writing the first sentence I said I MOSTLY agreed with you. (as it happened as I was writing, I modified my thinking, and effectively agreed with you - I just didnt go back and delete that 'mostly'). I am sorry if you feel that some-one who agrees with you constitutes a waste of space.

, as two people who agree on an issue is more constructive than 30 people with totaly differing opinions. Nevertheless.....

Sikker said:
@angelscotboi: Why on earth should the catholics get a CB on byz if byz refuses to take the Holy Lands ... it is more like they should get a CB if they actually take the Holy Lands (and refuse to do with said lands what the pope wants to).

here, I also agree with you (stinker isnt it?

If the Papacy is concerned about a resurgent 'Eastern Christian' state like Byzantium, they would not feel confident about them holding the Levant. Having the wrong Christianity in control of the sacred spaces of Jerusalem (and being the dominant faction) would not lie comfortably on the Popes shoulders. During the fourth 'crusade' 1195-1204, the Pope was appalled that Christians fought Christians (the Venetian conquest of Zara) but eventually backed it against Constantinople as it would 'unify' the churches (by effectively removing the orthodox power base and replacing it with Latin Christian figures), and providing a supposedly secure powerbase for the Latin reconquest of the Holy Land. The First Crusade was also evidence of not wishing the Orthodox East reclaiming the Holy Land as instead of returning conquer territories back to the Byzantine Throne (as was arranged), they were instead turned into Latin demesnes under the authority of the Holy See in Rome.

Therefore, any Byzantine 'aggression' against Latin interests in the region. (which in my post I beleive I state about the taking of Rhodes being anathema to the West and therefore fostering the ire with Western Christianity!!!) would involve more reciprocation with the Western Powers. Which would of course result in direct confrontation between Western and Eastern Christianity. The result in the Levant would most likely involve conflicting Crusaders in little more than land-grabbing and would likely result once more in Christian/Muslim co-operation against Muslim/Christians etc.

yours
Ayeshteni

Sikker · Jan 26, 2004

@angelscotboi: I really cannot comprehend your logics (which is why I think I must have misunderstood what you were trying to say). - But here goes another attempt ...
The pope dislikes byz, because byz har wrong religion. Pope wants Catholic faith to be stronger than Orthodox. So pope demands that byz conquor Holy Lands???? That can only make byz stronger, and put even more power in the hands of the Orthodox church. People will rally to the orthodox faith. Why the Hell would the pope want to strengthen the Byzantine powerbase?

@Ayeshteni: Fair enough ... I just have a tendency to get a bit annoyed at redundancy

... And no, I don't consider a post that agrees a waste of space ... but a post that disagrees, without adding anything new - that's a different story.
But let that lie now now - we agree, and that's a good thing

Finally I should add that no, it's not stinker ... actually Sikker is my name (middle name to be exact).

bombshellboi · Jan 26, 2004

Sikker said:
@angelscotboi: I really cannot comprehend your logics (which is why I think I must have misunderstood what you were trying to say). - But here goes another attempt ...
The pope dislikes byz, because byz har wrong religion. Pope wants Catholic faith to be stronger than Orthodox. So pope demands that byz conquor Holy Lands???? That can only make byz stronger, and put even more power in the hands of the Orthodox church. People will rally to the orthodox faith. Why the Hell would the pope want to strengthen the Byzantine powerbase?

Please read my posts correctly.

The Pope hasnt demanded anything - Byzantium OFFERED to attacked the levant for CHRISTIANITY to stave off an attack by the Catholics on a newly resurgent Orthodox Empire - the Pope would accept because he would be happier seeing the Levant in the control of fellow Christians than in the hands of the infidels...
And if Byzantium decided against offering to attack the levant then the Catholic attack would therefore not be staved off or diverted.

Wheres the confusion?

My only reasoning for confusion is you are thinking with a decidedly modern view point and not trying to think how people back then thought...

Sikker · Jan 26, 2004

My reason for confusion is that you haven't mentioned that byz were to 'offer' an attack on Levant before now.

It might be true that the Pope would rather see Jerusalem in the hands of the Orthodox than in the hands of Muslims.

But if the Pope can 'threaten' byz to a conquest, they can most certainly also threaten them hand over the new won lands.

So I still don't think the argument quite holds ... unless you idea is that the Papal States (with the Catholic world in it's back) immediatly following the conquest starts demanding the land handed over.

Also, how is it you see that 'with the old way of thinking' that byz would offer to attack Levant, if they feared a catholic attack?

Finally I should add that now I can follow your argumentation, I just don't agree all the way

...

bombshellboi · Jan 29, 2004

Perhaps now you will see my logic in the early set of events...

I need monarchs and leaders for the Kingdom of Jerusalem - the JER tag; which the Papacy will demand Byzantium free after they conquer the levant...

So the Events work like this:

Byzantium defeats its foes and unites its Empire under the Constantinople banner.
Resurgent Byzantium reconquers the remainder of its mainland territory.
The Pope fearing the Byzantines will try to reunite the Empire of Basileus orders the Catholic west to prepare to attack the Byzantines first.
Byzantines hoping to avert a catholic attack proposes to retake the levant for Christianity. (OR No offer is made and attack proceeds as planned)
Pope accepts Byzantine offer.
Byzantium attacks the Mamelukes and siezes the levant.
Mamelukes ceed claims to the levant. (Need events for this - cant be arsed scripting them yet)
Pope demands that Byzantium release Jerusalem as an independent state.
Byzantium accepts and appoints a King in Jerusalem. (OR feels it is now strong enough and ignores the Pope; and the attack proceeds as planned)
Jerusalem independent - pleased Pope.
Jerusalem ally and buffer between Byzantium and the muslims - Byzantium pleased.

Everyone pleased except sikker :rofl: .

I would do the monarchs and leaders for JER myself but for some reason my computer wont let me save the monarch files with their country tag...ie it saves as monarchs.jer.txt instead of monarchs.jer...

Also if someone would script the Mameluke seceeding event that would be lovely...

Ive just completed the independent Jerusalem events...Will add them up to the zip as soon as i have the monarchs n leaders...

G-Klav · Jan 29, 2004

To me this sounds just great!

Tell me, do you want flavor events/minor events for Byzantium too? I could help you with that (when I have enough time, that is...).

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