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Nice Map...
...If the Brits get drawn into the fighting next to Gib (and something tells me they may well be
), then they may have to reluctantly grant the desperate and long-held wish of the good burghers of Cadiz to become British.
Well, it happened in one of my games, anyway... :rofl:
...If the Brits get drawn into the fighting next to Gib (and something tells me they may well be
), then they may have to reluctantly grant the desperate and long-held wish of the good burghers of Cadiz to become British. Well, it happened in one of my games, anyway... :rofl:
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very interesting pippy. America is really heading down a new path, fascinating to see the results i think.
later, caff
later, caff
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Just a note, but in the south at least, rather than electing new candidates, you'd likely see a wholesale switch of Southern Democrats to State's Rights-ers, seeing as they were already much more conservative than the northern Democrats.
After all, many Southern Democrats ran against the national party in the 50's and 60's and then went back into the fold, and since the 70's, it hasn't been too uncommon for congresspeople to just switch parties from the Democrats to the Republicans and get reelected with even larger majorities.
Basically, the two parties (especially in the south) would be nowhere near as separate as one might think, and elections might be more controlled by local establishments than ideological differences.
After all, many Southern Democrats ran against the national party in the 50's and 60's and then went back into the fold, and since the 70's, it hasn't been too uncommon for congresspeople to just switch parties from the Democrats to the Republicans and get reelected with even larger majorities.
Basically, the two parties (especially in the south) would be nowhere near as separate as one might think, and elections might be more controlled by local establishments than ideological differences.
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...If the Brits get drawn into the fighting next to Gib (and something tells me they may well be
Well, it happened in one of my games, anyway... :rofl:
Agreed, supported, and fully endorsed. 'Tis our Britannic duty...
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Bah, what good's a map without context!
Which side is what colour? What are the goals of the combatants? What are the International powers doing? Where are the arrows? Where, I say where, is my tank porn?!?
Another dreary week, waiting for a Pippy update...
Which side is what colour? What are the goals of the combatants? What are the International powers doing? Where are the arrows? Where, I say where, is my tank porn?!?
Another dreary week, waiting for a Pippy update...
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Amazingly, my support for a pluralistic party system ends when the pluralistic parties advocate for 2nd class citizenship for some of their country's citizens.
Of course, the results are also ugly when the same thing happens in a two party system.
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Landon: As President, my first executive order will be to direct this AAR towards tanks and Spain. If you still question my legitimacy, please direct your concerns to my box of doubt. I might get to it...maybe.
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I iz in ur Ovul Offus. I can haz tankz now?
Before LOLcats, there were LOLandons:
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Sir Humphrey - It would be simpler and less bloody if that occurred certainly.
RAFspeak - There's a very big difference between advisers and sending actual troops. Mainly that the former has most of the learning benefits and the latter involves British casualties which are very undesirable (fighting for Empire with very low casualties was OK, fighting for a coup-starting Spanish king would not be so popular)
caffran - America is indeed on a new path, but so is the world so it'll be interesting to see where the two meet. Certainly I can say that President Landon will not be the pig-headed isolationist that Paradox have bracketed him as.
GeneralHannibal - That was what I'd assumed, local establishments are much easier to convince with financial incentives that ideologues. Plus they tend to be better at keeping their mouth shut that high up politicians so bribes stay quieter for longer.
Le Jones - Given Britain's relationship with the place I'd imagine Cadiz would welcome Brits with open arms, after all if Britain owned the place they probably wouldn't burn it down again.
Duritz - If I'd done all that I'd have finished the update and wouldn't need filler.
Faeelin - Ahh so people are only allowed to express their democratic rights if they vote the correct way? Because I'd always thought one of the key signs of a free society was letting people with repellent and just plain wrong views vote for unpleasant parties. There's not a lot of point having the freedom to vote if the choice of party has already been rigged.
Onto the actual AAR I would point out though you are confusing the OTL State's Rights who were indeed almost entirely racist with the new improved TTL State's Rights party who are merely power grabbing political opportunists. To Tammany Hall all men are indeed equal; equally liable to be scammed and see their taxes used to help Tammany Hall men make corrupt fortunes.
That said if there's enough political capital to be made out of racism they would do it, I'd put nothing past the hard-nosed bastards of the northern political machines, however the difference is that, unlike the southern 'good old boys' of the OTL State's Rights, it would be a cynical political move not a matter of racist belief. Whether that makes it better or worse is a different question.
Nathan Madien - I'm sure the box of doubt will be duly addressed in four/eight years time depending on future electoral results.
Davout - LOLandons. I fervently hope they catch on. I fear they wont.
Onto the news, and it's all bad. I'm moving house tomorrow so will be without internet and possibly PC as well for the next couple of weeks. I was trying to get the update done in time but work decided to be hectic just to ruin my chances. It's a bugger but what can you do?
Hopefully my return will be marked by updatery, possibly at a rate never seen before in this AAR!
RAFspeak - There's a very big difference between advisers and sending actual troops. Mainly that the former has most of the learning benefits and the latter involves British casualties which are very undesirable (fighting for Empire with very low casualties was OK, fighting for a coup-starting Spanish king would not be so popular)
caffran - America is indeed on a new path, but so is the world so it'll be interesting to see where the two meet. Certainly I can say that President Landon will not be the pig-headed isolationist that Paradox have bracketed him as.
GeneralHannibal - That was what I'd assumed, local establishments are much easier to convince with financial incentives that ideologues. Plus they tend to be better at keeping their mouth shut that high up politicians so bribes stay quieter for longer.
Le Jones - Given Britain's relationship with the place I'd imagine Cadiz would welcome Brits with open arms, after all if Britain owned the place they probably wouldn't burn it down again.
Duritz - If I'd done all that I'd have finished the update and wouldn't need filler.
Faeelin - Ahh so people are only allowed to express their democratic rights if they vote the correct way? Because I'd always thought one of the key signs of a free society was letting people with repellent and just plain wrong views vote for unpleasant parties. There's not a lot of point having the freedom to vote if the choice of party has already been rigged.
Onto the actual AAR I would point out though you are confusing the OTL State's Rights who were indeed almost entirely racist with the new improved TTL State's Rights party who are merely power grabbing political opportunists. To Tammany Hall all men are indeed equal; equally liable to be scammed and see their taxes used to help Tammany Hall men make corrupt fortunes.
That said if there's enough political capital to be made out of racism they would do it, I'd put nothing past the hard-nosed bastards of the northern political machines, however the difference is that, unlike the southern 'good old boys' of the OTL State's Rights, it would be a cynical political move not a matter of racist belief. Whether that makes it better or worse is a different question.
Nathan Madien - I'm sure the box of doubt will be duly addressed in four/eight years time depending on future electoral results.
Davout - LOLandons. I fervently hope they catch on. I fear they wont.
Onto the news, and it's all bad. I'm moving house tomorrow so will be without internet and possibly PC as well for the next couple of weeks. I was trying to get the update done in time but work decided to be hectic just to ruin my chances. It's a bugger but what can you do?
Hopefully my return will be marked by updatery, possibly at a rate never seen before in this AAR!
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Ah, I see. Good luck, El Pip.
I highly doubt this AAR will vanish from the Earth while you are gone. Afterall, some people love to demand updates and bump AARs that have not seen the light of day in over a year *coughNihonKaizoHoanTaiko!(APlanfortheRe-organizationofJapan)cough*.
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Stout fellow, El Pip...
...Do you need an Airlift to help you move? :rofl:
Best of luck with the 'put everything in a box, smash most of it, lose the rest of it' moving thing. Its been nearly twelve years since I did it last, but the pain has still not receded.
Come to think of it, hiring the RAF to parachute random boxes down into the rough area of my new domicile wouldn't have been such a bad idea...
We'll keep the home fires burning whilst you're away. If you hear the snarl of Merlin piston engines circling above, you'll know that top cover has been approved for your move by the Air Ministry!
...Do you need an Airlift to help you move? :rofl:
Best of luck with the 'put everything in a box, smash most of it, lose the rest of it' moving thing. Its been nearly twelve years since I did it last, but the pain has still not receded.
Come to think of it, hiring the RAF to parachute random boxes down into the rough area of my new domicile wouldn't have been such a bad idea...
We'll keep the home fires burning whilst you're away. If you hear the snarl of Merlin piston engines circling above, you'll know that top cover has been approved for your move by the Air Ministry!
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Yes, best of luck old chap. Did it myself just before Christmas and highly recommend it. Change is as good as a holiday and all that!
Dury.
Dury.
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Actually, I always thought one of the signs of a free society was that 51% of the country couldn't vote to strip away the rights of the other 49%, and that all men are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights.
YMMV may vary.
Anyway, Congratulations on the move.
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Well gents, I know its been awhile since I last posted, but I have returned from my abyss in RPGLand leading the gallant English Crown through an alt-history Civil War to catch up on my favorite British Alt-History WWII (read in my midwestern yank accent as Dubya-Dubya 2 lol). As always Pip, absolutely spot-on updates. More information about planes, boats and British History then one could ever want. I know its been presented before, but I am half tempted to collect all those updates on Word for easy reading reference lol. Also, I would like to add my two cents worth on American Elections. Dittos to the cmments about how Vice-President White ascended. However, considering Mr. Garner would go on to describe the Veep as a worth a pitcher of warm piss to Lyndon Johnson, White would not necessarily have as much influence as one would expect. Granted the incredibly odd circumstances of Election 1936, a Vice-President White would not have direct control over anything except as the presiding, non-voting member of the US Senate. I do not doubt the inner machinations of a Vice-President working with members of the same party in a coalition executive to achieve party goals, all members of the Cabinet work exclusively at the pleasure of the President. If Alf Landon (who btw I am happy to see beat Cordell Hull for I completely despise anything that came out of FDR's Reign) asserts his Constitutional Authority, he can remove any and all attempts at a political coup from the Righters if the threat becomes evident.
Also, as was mentioned before, should the House have deliberated for an eternity, the VP-elect would have been sworn in as Acting President. However, unlike a Monarchical Succession, whereupon one person is taken out, everyone moves up, there is no transfer of titles. So, the Speaker of the House does not become the Acting VP, but stays as the Speaker, but should the VP-elect/Acting President dies, resigns or becomes incapacitated, the Speaker would become the Acting President. Of course, becoming Acting President for the Speaker is a tough move. In order for the Speaker to serve as Acting President (and the reason he doesn't become Acting VP is that he or she can't serve in two branches at the same time) would have to resign as a member of Congress, including the Speakership, to assume the dignity of President. To see this, I point you to The West Wing, the show with Martin Sheen, where John Goodman's character (Speaker of the House Glenn Walken) assumes the Presidency. This is also the reason the Speaker doesn't assume the Vice-Presidency when it becomes vacant. When there is a vacancy, the President nominates and the Senate confirms a new Vice-President - See Gerald Ford.
As to the proliferation of third parties in the American Political System, there is a number of reasons that we only have two of them. Besides for making good politics (I find Parliamentary Politics in the European Manner most interesting) the two major parties on our side of the pond have remained as such since 1856. It is simply tradition (based on the whole Federalist/Anti-Federalist; Federalist/Democratic-Republican tradition since the foundation of the country, post-Washington Presidency) and the fact that the two parties are absolutely amazing at whoring themselves out to the minor parties. Ok, maybe that's alittle too strong, but the fact that no third party has ever mounted a successful campaign based simply on ideologies and issues proves my point. When it became apparent that a third party based on ideas gains momentum with the populace, the two parties merely extrapolate those ideas, attach them to their own platforms, and basically remove the necessity for the third party in the first place. This can be seen with the Populist Party and their Progressive Agenda when it was completely adopted by the Republican Party. The Populist Party of the 1890s died a very hard death, with its bewildered and scattered members absorbed into the giant Republican Electoral Behemoth that it was from 1870-1933. Of course, the Progressives reared their heads in 1912 under Teddy Roosevelt - who was able to win 88 Electoral Votes and place second, ahead of incumbent President William Howard Taft, but Teddy had major advantages over all other Third Party Candidates, including modern candidates of such a status - H. Ross Perot and Ralph Nadar. The Democrats can claim to have done something similar with the Socialist Party, as the Democrats moved to the left and adopted more social programs under FDR, Teddy's distant cousin.
woo, that was exhausting...and should make up for my lack of postingness in the last month and a half. Still, KUDOS Pippy. Amazing work as always. Don't see it as tearing you down, just adding knowledge from my backwash of a brain that I don't ever get to use, since I'm the only one that cares lol. Still though, can't wait for the Army update and, if I remember correctly, Prime Minster Chamberlain's antics in defense of Carlist Spain. Hope the move goes okey!
Cheers!
~Hawk
Also, as was mentioned before, should the House have deliberated for an eternity, the VP-elect would have been sworn in as Acting President. However, unlike a Monarchical Succession, whereupon one person is taken out, everyone moves up, there is no transfer of titles. So, the Speaker of the House does not become the Acting VP, but stays as the Speaker, but should the VP-elect/Acting President dies, resigns or becomes incapacitated, the Speaker would become the Acting President. Of course, becoming Acting President for the Speaker is a tough move. In order for the Speaker to serve as Acting President (and the reason he doesn't become Acting VP is that he or she can't serve in two branches at the same time) would have to resign as a member of Congress, including the Speakership, to assume the dignity of President. To see this, I point you to The West Wing, the show with Martin Sheen, where John Goodman's character (Speaker of the House Glenn Walken) assumes the Presidency. This is also the reason the Speaker doesn't assume the Vice-Presidency when it becomes vacant. When there is a vacancy, the President nominates and the Senate confirms a new Vice-President - See Gerald Ford.
As to the proliferation of third parties in the American Political System, there is a number of reasons that we only have two of them. Besides for making good politics (I find Parliamentary Politics in the European Manner most interesting) the two major parties on our side of the pond have remained as such since 1856. It is simply tradition (based on the whole Federalist/Anti-Federalist; Federalist/Democratic-Republican tradition since the foundation of the country, post-Washington Presidency) and the fact that the two parties are absolutely amazing at whoring themselves out to the minor parties. Ok, maybe that's alittle too strong, but the fact that no third party has ever mounted a successful campaign based simply on ideologies and issues proves my point. When it became apparent that a third party based on ideas gains momentum with the populace, the two parties merely extrapolate those ideas, attach them to their own platforms, and basically remove the necessity for the third party in the first place. This can be seen with the Populist Party and their Progressive Agenda when it was completely adopted by the Republican Party. The Populist Party of the 1890s died a very hard death, with its bewildered and scattered members absorbed into the giant Republican Electoral Behemoth that it was from 1870-1933. Of course, the Progressives reared their heads in 1912 under Teddy Roosevelt - who was able to win 88 Electoral Votes and place second, ahead of incumbent President William Howard Taft, but Teddy had major advantages over all other Third Party Candidates, including modern candidates of such a status - H. Ross Perot and Ralph Nadar. The Democrats can claim to have done something similar with the Socialist Party, as the Democrats moved to the left and adopted more social programs under FDR, Teddy's distant cousin.
woo, that was exhausting...and should make up for my lack of postingness in the last month and a half. Still, KUDOS Pippy. Amazing work as always. Don't see it as tearing you down, just adding knowledge from my backwash of a brain that I don't ever get to use, since I'm the only one that cares lol. Still though, can't wait for the Army update and, if I remember correctly, Prime Minster Chamberlain's antics in defense of Carlist Spain. Hope the move goes okey!
Cheers!
~Hawk
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While that all makes sense today, back in 1936, the Speaker of the House was not in the list of succession. At the time, if neither the President nor the Vice President could serve, the Secretary of State then became Acting President. For example, if both OTL President Roosevelt and Vice President Garner were knocked out of action, then Secretary of State Hull would step in as Acting President.
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that's right, damn my late night rantings to completely miss that the 25th Amendment wasn't passed until 1967. Likewise, forget that bit about filling the VP slot by nomination and confirmation aswell. It was the 25th which also provided for that. Appreciate you settin' me right Nat.
Cheers,
~Hawk
Cheers,
~Hawk
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