But if you annex Shirvan you still have to get out of the war with OE somehow before you can start bribing them in order to reform the alliance of old.
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Duke of Wellington said:
Problem would be the annexation of Shirvan part. If you want to keep relations in the plus, force-vassalization seems like a better idea - of course, then you may be facing a dilemma if the OE ever dows them. Still, the idea of vassalizing all the OE's allies, then creating a new alliance with you as leader would be the ideal way to go imho. That might not be feasible however.
Grundius said:
That would be my favorite way to, although I don't know who is in the alliance of the ottomans. But if only one province minors are isnide, then fist vasslaize sibir in a seperate peace, and then Shirvan as Alliance peace, then you can start a new Alliance with the ottomans and your vassals in it, and everything would almost be as before the realm of ulugh
me keep reading 
turks must be not tolerated in my opinion, betrayed once, you know, will betray again
turks must be not tolerated in my opinion, betrayed once, you know, will betray again
It brings me little comfort that I predicted both the rising of Crimea once more and the Turks foolishness. Hopefully gaining revenge on the OT will be more than a simple wish.
Since the only allies in the alliance with OE are Shirvan and Sibir, both one prov minors I think it makes sense to force vassalise both of them then quickly ally with OE. I think I can do it Thanks for the advice all.
And old joe, yeah I don't think I can trust them anymore. The alliance should only be to lull them into a false sense of security while I catch up tech wise, then......
Thanks for the advice all.And old joe, yeah I don't think I can trust them anymore. The alliance should only be to lull them into a false sense of security while I catch up tech wise, then......
I'm going to have to put this AAR on back burner for a couple of weeks while I deal with an increasing mountain of university assignments as the semester draws to an end. I shall make up for it over the holidays if all goes to plan. Apologies for the break, hope to see you all back when I resume.
Shame on you leaving us without an update for such a long time, what are we supposed to read now?
I may be able to get an update done this Friday if I have time to play the game before then.Iche_Bins said:Shame on you leaving us without an update for such a long time, what are we supposed to read now?
There can't always be tension on the bow (de boog kan niet altijd gespannen zijn), so you need to relax adequately during studying by playing a few games, writing an update...
The Danish King said:Im really enjoying this AAR DoW! Please, do continue!
What ^he^ said.
This is a nice AAR. Love your use of screen shots.
The war looked bad. Ulugh could not help but be worried for his country. It was a feeling new to a Khan of the Golden Horde. During his time in the army he had travelled to the Ottoman Empire on an official visit. In that time of more friendly relations he had seen drills of the Ottoman Empire, he had seen the destruction their modern techniques and firearms could inflict. As if that wasn't enough proof he had unfortunately been witness to bloody battles between the Horde and the Ottomans before. Most of the blood had been spilled by Horde riders.
This war though Ulugh had been advised by many. A wise plan had been formulated to make sure this war didn't turn into a walkover for the Ottomans. It involved striking at the weakest links in the whole enemy alliance.
But first a swift strike at the Ottomans and Shirvan was in order. Kairwan and Ulugh led the two pronged attack.
Golden Horde strategy - Strike first
The Ottomans though struck at the more vulnerable underbelly of the Horde, the south.
Ottoman Empire strategy - Strike hard
Sibir was a thorn in the north. Not much of a threat but enough of a presence to be an irritation. They had been ignored in wars before but this time Ulugh would not have it. An army of fifteen thousand headed for the small Khanate. But Sibir was protected by some of the most formidible terrain in the world. In winter its lands were windswept and frozen solid. But in summer the long days melted the ground into a mess of bogs and quagmires. The Hordes army were trapped by the swampy terrain and ambushed by Sibir who were far more experienced at moving in the terrain. Though outnumbered Sibir won the battle as the Horde's cavalry floundered around.
It was quite an embarrassment for Ulugh but he managed to keep any news of the defeat leaking out.
As the army reorganised for the second strike at Sibir scouts infiltrated the nation. There they followed Sibir's army as it moved. They uncovered a complex series of paths and roads through the swamp. They were twisting and concealed but much faster than travelling in the surrounding land. Using this knowledge the Horde rode again into Sibir. This time Sibir could not resist there army was crushed only a couple of thousand escaping into the bogs. The siege of Sergino began.
"What's all this creamy stuff around us?", said one soldier.
"I'm not sure", replied the other, "but I do know I won't go there until land tech 31, whatever that is."
"I'm not sure", replied the other, "but I do know I won't go there until land tech 31, whatever that is."
The new year arrived with the winter. In Sibir things turned into a living nightmare. The only fuel for the fires of the besieging army was peat but that required fire to dry out in the first place. Many, many men froze to death in that winter as they tried to break the defenders.
Sieging Sibir is absolutely horrible
The news was better further south. In the relatively boiling climate of Daghestan the walls of the city were breaking, the end was in sight.
A new army of recruits was formed for the siege of Sergino in January. quality was not an issue for this what was needed was numbers. The new recruits were mere footsoldiers, something of a rarity in the horse oriented Golden Horde.
Dahestan was captured in February. With it the head of the enemy alliance too was taken. Peace could now be taken at any time but now was not yet the right moment.
April and May marked a turning point in the war. Prior to this time the chief part of the war had involved the Ottomans besieging the southern parts of the Horde while the Horde lay siege in northern provinces of the Ottomans. But during these months Elbruz and Bukhara were captured by the Ottomans while the Horde took Khwarizm and Belgorod.
Now the war became much more mobile and battle oriented. The Ottomans began sending armies north into the Golden Horde. There were numerous battles. Some went very poorly for the Horde. In June four and a half thousand Ottoman soldiers defeated an army three times their size easily. Such defeats became common place for sometime. Then in November Kairwan captured Crimea and went on show Ulugh why he was chief of the army.
With his army of twenty five thousand riders he struck at the unsuspecting Ottomans in Donetsk. The enemy was completely annihilated. Not even letting his men rest he rode on to Krementjug where the same scene was again played out. Now there remained only one enemy army in the western Horde, ten thousand heavily armed men besieging Jedisan.
Kairwan was not put off. From a vantage point overlooking the siege of the city across the river he planned the attack. The Ottomans were encamped all about the city with guns at the ready. But they had one weakness. Their leadership was encamped on the far side of the city where they least expected to be attacked. But Kairwan liked to do what was least expected.
Kairwan's army rests after a very successful campaign
In the south the war was not so successful. A sixteen thousand strong Horde army was defeated by an Ottoman one a quarter of it's size. In the same month Tabaristan, Karabogaz, Khawarizm and Turkmenistan were lost to the Ottomans.
Fortunately the final part of the war came in October. Sergino at last fell. It was time for the last part of the advisors initial plans for the war. Peace was signed first with the now powerless Khan of Sibir. His nation was forced to give up 100 ducats and become a vassal of the Golden Horde. Next a peace was signed with the rest of the alliance. Actually only SHirvan were present at the talks but they were leaders of the alliance and probably much to the dismay of Suleyman they accepted peace. Shirvan became vassals of the Horde like Sibir and had to give up 150 ducats.
This left the two great powers in the region in an unusual situation. Both the Horde and the Ottomans were alone. They shuffled about for a little while and looked at their toes then the Horde said quietly to the Ottomans
"Will you, umm, will you ally with me?"
"Umm, ok" replied the Ottomans not looking up from her toes still.
The results of the war, an old ally returns, a new vassal and a former one comes back to the fold
To thank Allah for his good favour in the war, Ulugh spent much of the new found cash on attempting to convert Nizhgorod. The rest he wisely invested in fortifying Krementjug. There was no telling how long this peace with the Ottomans might last.
Will the romance blossom on the second attempt? Nice work holding off the Ottomans.
Goodjob, now under your leadership the great Alliance will make the western world tremble once more
Awesome piece of strategy. Good results. In short: well done.
Time to use the Ottoman Empire as a hammer and shield against Europe.
Time to use the Ottoman Empire as a hammer and shield against Europe.
stnylan - Thanks I was getting a bit scared there after losing several battles to them where I outnumbered them by 2, 3 or even 4 times. Only a few more years til tech 5 though and things start to go faster.
Iche_Bins - I hope to make them tremble, it never really eventuated last time. The OE has though annexed Hungary which is missing from the update.
Grundius - Thanks but the idea was largely yours so thank you and the others who helped
Iche_Bins - I hope to make them tremble, it never really eventuated last time. The OE has though annexed Hungary which is missing from the update.
Grundius - Thanks but the idea was largely yours so thank you and the others who helped