I agree. The point I had originally raised was that Spain was not greatly settled by Goths, just as the Huns did not settle in great numbers. I think that we need some way for rulers to switch more quickly and easily to the cultures they rule over.
The Roman culture is already divided, we should use those + any barbarian culture = modern equivalent. E.g. Gaulo-Roman + Frank = French.In that case, we need a lot of Romano-Barbarian cultures (because you can´t just make the jump from Barbarian to Roman in an instant), like in this case, Romano-Gothic or Romano-Visigothic. This also raises another issue: should the Romano-Barbarians really be in the Roman Culture Group or a group of their own?
In that case, we need a lot of Romano-Barbarian cultures (because you can´t just make the jump from Barbarian to Roman in an instant), like in this case, Romano-Gothic or Romano-Visigothic. This also raises another issue: should the Romano-Barbarians really be in the Roman Culture Group or a group of their own?
The Roman culture is already divided, we should use those + any barbarian culture = modern equivalent. E.g. Gaulo-Roman + Frank = French.
It is dirty, but it is quick and it works. It also doesn't need a billion cultures.
Remember, in 480 ROME HAS FAILED. I understand that the chance for a miraculous recovery in the hands of the player is possible, but the days of fora and togas are dead and buried.
"Barbarian-Barbarian culture" Example:
Alaric II makes peace with Clovis and goes on and does his own thing in Hispania.
Suddenly, Theodemund, king of the Suebi, burst out Gallaecia completely without warning, conquers Hispania and banishes Alaric to Gaul in ever-lasting shame.
Option 1: Theodemund converts remaining Romans and Visigoths into Suebi-Goths/Suebi-Romans and then fully fledged Suebians.
Option 2: Theodemund thinks "Hey, the Visigoths are cool, lets be like them" and converts himself and his people to Visi-Suebi and then Visigoths, creating two Visigothic Kingdoms (provded of course that Alaric hasn´t been ass-stomped by Clovis). He leaves the Romans alone (maybe even giving independence to... something Roman)
Option 3: Theodemund Barbarianizes the Romans too, into Suebi-Romans, then Suebians
Option 4: Theodemund Romanizes the Suebians, leaves remaining Visigoths alone
Option 5: Theodemund Romanizes all of Hispania
I think you should divide dejure Gaul's kingdoms like following :
- An armorican kingdom, divided into three titular kingdoms : Bro-Ereg, Dumnonia and Kernev.
- Gaulish Visigothica should divided in dejure : Aquitanica, Narbonensis (the mediterranean coast), and a visigoth homeland in Toulouse/Tolosa.
- Soissons is a problem. Pre-Frankish northern France is badly documented, si it is hard to tell what is recognized by who. If Syagrius call himslef Dux, it seems that Emperor Anthemius gave him the title of patrician. Eventually, he his named "king of the romans" by his neighbors. Now, should Soissons be renamed "roman kingdom" to fit most other rulers thought ? I think you should make of Soissons a titular title, with roman provinces as dejure kingdoms. Syagrius could later create a unique roman title in Gaul if he defeats his opponents.
What your saying is that they can´t reassert themselves? While I agree that no religion should be too powerful, not even Christianity, I think that every single pagan religion should be reformable and that all the branches of Christianity should have the same "conversion power". Or am I just being unhistorical now?
I agree with that Arianism seems more powerful and more fun to be and I certainly would welcome the idea if every religion could holy war every other religion, even Nicene against Arianism and the other heresies
I feel like there is a bit too much settling going on, especially of the Huns and Visigoths.
I've figured out how to get the legions working, seeing as it's the first time I've been modding, they'll probably be up tomorrow, or as soon as I can get flags for them.
Any ideas on the numbers and how many?
I love the resurgent Huns.
This is likely your last priority, but I recommend asking for better religious icons on AnaxXiphos' art thread. right now the icons look pretty ugly.
Exactly this. The Visigoths and the Huns should not be that powerful and be threatened by Tengri hordes (the Huns) and by Muslims (if they exist) or Franks (the visigoths). Also they should have to fight a lot of revolts. A lot of big Empires that should not be existing due to being pushed by other migrants. But this is maybe a bit to early too, to make any conclusion. Central Europe is just a mess.
I agree. The point I had originally raised was that Spain was not greatly settled by Goths, just as the Huns did not settle in great numbers. I think that we need some way for rulers to switch more quickly and easily to the cultures they rule over.
It failed in the real world and it didn´t turn out Barbarian. Even without their Empire, the Romans still civilized Europe (mainly through the spread of Christianity yes but still, it was Roman in essence).
I think you should divide dejure Gaul's kingdoms like following :
- An armorican kingdom, divided into three titular kingdoms : Bro-Ereg, Dumnonia and Kernev.
- Gaulish Visigothica should divided in dejure : Aquitanica, Narbonensis (the mediterranean coast), and a visigoth homeland in Toulouse/Tolosa.
- Soissons is a problem. Pre-Frankish northern France is badly documented, si it is hard to tell what is recognized by who. If Syagrius call himslef Dux, it seems that Emperor Anthemius gave him the title of patrician. Eventually, he his named "king of the romans" by his neighbors. Now, should Soissons be renamed "roman kingdom" to fit most other rulers thought ? I think you should make of Soissons a titular title, with roman provinces as dejure kingdoms. Syagrius could later create a unique roman title in Gaul if he defeats his opponents.
Option 6: Theodemund romanizes the Suebians and barbarize the Romans, making a Romano-suebian culture, and later on romano-suebianizes the Visigoths and become Portuguese culture
I liked how Mr. Capitalist sees it. You should think of the melting pot in three stages. When two cultures mix and when these two cultures mix with another culture. Depending on the combination, it can lead to real world cultures. Locality could also influence it (as in Léonese appearing in Léon as a product of Visigothic, Suebian and Roman union, or Castille with Visigothic and Roman after a while). Some cultures, like the castillian example I gave, could evolve naturally over time if maintained in a certain frame (as in visigoths get together with romans and become Romano-Visigoths. Then, after a while, they become Castillian.), kinda like the Norse.
I agree with Mr. Capiatlist however, some languages were influenced by two or more different languages. Look at Spanish. Before the Moorish conquest, Hispania was showing major signs of "Gothicization", almost every christian had a name of Gothic origin. If the Visigothic kingdom continued in existence, I can see a more distinctive romance based "Gothic" emerging. But, as we know, the visigothic kingdom fell to the Moors. This introduced many Arabic based words into the Spanish language. So, If we go from immediately from Ibero-Roman to Castillian, we skip a huge chunk of the Spainsh language which came from the Moors.Snip
I agree with Mr. Capiatlist however, some languages were influenced by two or more different languages. Look at Spanish. Before the Moorish conquest, Hispania was showing major signs of "Gothicization", almost every christian had a name of Gothic origin. If the Visigothic kingdom continued in existence, I can see a more distinctive romance based "Gothic" emerging. But, as we know, the visigothic kingdom fell to the Moors. This introduced many Arabic based words into the Spanish language. So, If we go from immediately from Ibero-Roman to Castillian, we skip a huge chunk of the Spainsh language which came from the Moors.
Did Odoacer really have such a magnificent mustache?
People's names matter greatly. They show signs that the population of Hispania had accepted the goths and parts of the Gothic culture. It shows signs that the popualtion was assimulating. The Islamic conquest cut it short. Have a look at the link below, specifically the last chapter Gothia and Hispania.People's names do not really matter.