Please add the famous and ancient city of Troy on the map. At the very least as a building on the map or something.
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Ilion is there, thats Troy. The Iliás is named after Ilion, which is Troy. The 'famous and ancient city of Troy' is underneath it, under a few hundred years of habitation, there's nothing to see there but the current Ilion, which itself would be buried under another layer of habitation by the time it finally gets abanadoned.
EDIT: You can disagree all you want, that doesn't magically make the facts any different.
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Homeric Troy was long buried by the time Imperator takes place. Samitte is correct in pointing out that Ilion is Troy, or at least the Hellenistic-era settlement built on top of Troy.
Edit: @Riekopo, disagreeing with my post isn't going to change the historical facts. Homeric Troy didn't exist during the time frame of Imperator.
Edit: @Riekopo, disagreeing with my post isn't going to change the historical facts. Homeric Troy didn't exist during the time frame of Imperator.
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I should add that Ilion isn't just some random name ascribed later, but is used in the text of the Iliad itself (from my recollection of undergrad Greek classes, I saw "Ilion" used far more than "Troy" while translating parts of the text).
The remnants of Troy, as Samitte says, are buried by current habitation at this point, the war upon which the text is based having been over half a millennium prior to game start, and Greece's so-called "Dark Age" lying in between then and game start. It. won't be exposed again until Schliemann blasts his way through them on his way to the layer he thought the Homeric Troy was (thus both making one of archaeology's greatest discoveries and committing one of its most heinous sins, all at once). That isn't to say it didn't have an effect on the landscape; it was one of many habitation layers that built up a tel, effectively a manmade hill of the detritus of centuries of settlement. You could add a local modifier to that, sure, but if you're going to do that you'd better add that to half the cities in Anatolia and the Levant.
The best I could offer would be the historically attested cult to Achilles centered there, so you could potentially plop down a holy site there.
The remnants of Troy, as Samitte says, are buried by current habitation at this point, the war upon which the text is based having been over half a millennium prior to game start, and Greece's so-called "Dark Age" lying in between then and game start. It. won't be exposed again until Schliemann blasts his way through them on his way to the layer he thought the Homeric Troy was (thus both making one of archaeology's greatest discoveries and committing one of its most heinous sins, all at once). That isn't to say it didn't have an effect on the landscape; it was one of many habitation layers that built up a tel, effectively a manmade hill of the detritus of centuries of settlement. You could add a local modifier to that, sure, but if you're going to do that you'd better add that to half the cities in Anatolia and the Levant.
The best I could offer would be the historically attested cult to Achilles centered there, so you could potentially plop down a holy site there.
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It hurts every time I read about it. Antiquarians and early 'archaeologists', oh the damage they caused, yet so many wonders they uncovered.
That is a good idea. I've suggested holy sites for Sarpedon and Perseus in another thread, would you mind if I added this to it?
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A bit more than that.. I think the Trojan War is usually considered to have happened around 800 years before Imperator starts.
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Go right ahead!
Yeah 1200-1100 at the latest, so 800 years; I was being conservative in my estimate. It also should have said half a millennium; fixed now.
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I think DukeLeto42 might have meant millennium, rather than century.
Haha, sorry, yes, realized right after replying that was probably what you initially meant
You will be able to do that in the next update with Epirus. Though I do hope that when you complete the cult of Achilles part of the tree, Illion would be renamed to Achilleion.
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We've come up with a possible modifier for Ilion/Troy.
Slightly off-topic, but with the upcoming culture changes in 1.5 perhaps the Mysia province should be renamed Troad or Troas while Mysia Abrettene be shortened to Mysia.
Then each culture in the area would have a province of the same name, although the borders wouldn't align. And a name referencig Troy would be on the map.
It should additionally have the Hellespont modifier like Sestos and Abydos.
Slightly off-topic, but with the upcoming culture changes in 1.5 perhaps the Mysia province should be renamed Troad or Troas while Mysia Abrettene be shortened to Mysia.
Then each culture in the area would have a province of the same name, although the borders wouldn't align. And a name referencig Troy would be on the map.
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Since Abrettene lay north of Mysia, this is a good idea, as currently both are in the wrong location anyway.
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Its not entirely clear, but Abrettene roughly lay between ingame Adramyttion, Baris, Argiza, Pericharaxis, and Attea, and a bit further east + the top halves of Hiera and Poinai. Sort of the mountainous region north of modern day Balikesir.
Mysia proper lay south-east of there, roughly from Appolonia Mysias to Kadoi (though not all authors agree if Kadoi is Mysian or part of Phrygia Epiktetos). The ingame Mysia area consisting of a part of Troad in the west, and the region of Mygdonia or Mysia Inferior in the east around the lake.
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Of course, though compared to other areas I'd say its alright. I'd much rather see the very annoying major-river crossing areas adjusted (Especially a problem around the Danube, the mapmaker was just being super evil there!)
But the problem with redrawing borders in much of the map its not a few things that move, but they often impact a load of nearby areas and I have no instant solution for this because there are a few other areas nearby which I would like to redraw, which in turn has a cascading effect there. And its not a very high priority thing in the scope of I:R in my opinion.
Maybe giving the possibility to convert, upon certain requirements, the country of Troy with its tradition, mission, etc could satisfy the OP.