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Methone

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There is, at present, a fundamental problem with the crisis.

The crisis is slow. Very slow. When 2.0 came and reworked how colonization and expansion works to be system-by-system, the crisis also got reworked similarly. The crisis must now expand system by system with easily-killable construction ships, and without them, it's simply dead in the water. It can be completely stumped by dedicated fortress worlds. Existing features such as the Unbidden pouncing on anyone attacking their portal, or the Contingency withdrawing its fleets to protect its exposed nexus, are entirely nonfunctional.

Furthermore, the crisis's expansion does not factor in travel time. So what happens is that as the crisis grows, it suddenly slows down immensely as its construction ships build 1 starbase, then travel all the way across its territory to build another, then back again, back and forth. This results in an expansion slowdown so sharp that unless the crisis spawned virtually on top of you, you'll never be in danger. I had a 5x Unbidden spawn and, despite 50 years of being unchallenged, they couldn't expand to more than 60 systems in that time.

Hardly a 'galaxy-threatening menace'.

To solve these problems, I suggest several changes to the existing crises, though perhaps not all of them are required to solve these problems.
The crisis expands with a simple formula: A roamer fleet goes into a system, attacking anything and everything it comes across. Then it holds position until a construction ship arrives. The constructor builds an outpost. The roamer fleet then selects a new system and heads there, repeating the process.

As mentioned earlier, the crisis does not take travel times into account, resulting in a drastic slowdown. However, this also means you can just keep forcing the crisis to backtrack by going behind the 'front line' of roamers waiting for their constructors, slicing up their outposts, and then jumping back out since now they'll have to refill those systems too. Kill the construction ships and it's even slower, especially if you're facing the Contingency who gets a reinforcement event every ~5 years or so.

PROPOSED SOLUTION:

Dedicated Planet-killer Roamer Fleets. Instead of selecting a bordering system to go to, some of the crisis's roamer fleets are ones that instead make it their mission to find inhabited worlds and raze them. This, however, would require some changes to pathfinding AI, in case the only inhabited worlds left are hidden behind FTL Inhibitors.
The crisis roams around with armies that are 2k strong. Always. These armies do NOT benefit from increased crisis strength except for making the transport ships have more health. Also, 2k strong is peanuts to a dedicated fortress world's defense armies.

But even if the crisis ground armies were 999k strong, that'd only help somewhat due to Planetary Combat Width; when only something like 8 soldiers of the 999k strong can fight at once, it'll take ages to cut through a dedicated fortress world.

PROPOSED SOLUTION(S):

Let ground armies be boosted by crisis strength. This one is fairly straightforward, but also...

Crisis Colossus. Just like the Materialist Fallen Empire can have a cityworld regardless of if you have Megacorp or not, let the Scourge and the Contingency have the ability to spawn in Colossi. The Unbidden don't need a Colossus as they simply need to 100% devastate a world and it gets torched.

But give the Scourge a special 'infestor' Colossus that instantly infests both enemy and uncolonized worlds. Give the Contingency a world-cracker colossus (Neutron Sweep would make more sense with its purpose to sterilize the galaxy, but World-Cracker both fits its Red color sheme and fits its 'I've gone axe crazy with isolation' deal).
Pre-2.0, whenever you even entered the Unbidden's portal systems, ALL of their roamer fleets would beeline back to the portal to defend it, and since they used pre-2.0 jump drives, they could get back FAST.

But now, they simply start hyperlaning their way back, very slowly, so what happens is you take out the portalguard, take out the portal itself, and then 2 years later the roamers finally arrive, then sit around in the portal system looking miserable until you take them out.

Pre-2.0, when the Contingency's final nexus was exposed, it would withdraw all its remaining fleets to that system to try and defend itself. It used warp drives, so it could easily get the fleets back, if perhaps not as fast.

But now, with FTL Inhibitors, I believe the fleets simply go 'cannot find a path back to the nexus, will continue sitting still and twiddling our thumbs'.

PROPOSED SOLUTION:

Crises get the old FTL Methods back. Probably a very controversial thing. After all, the other FTL methods were removed from the game for a reason, and for a good reason too. That sort of assymetry in movement made balancing virtually impossible. But I propose that the Crisis should be assymetrical, should be unbalanced, they should break every rule in the game and defeating it should be a great accomplishment, rather than something you just sort of check off the list of "Endgame stuff to do".

Scourge Warp Drive. Give the Prethoryn Scourge the ability to use Warp Drives. Not only does this explain how they got to our galaxy in the first place - there's, uh, not exactly any extragalactic hyperlanes... - but it'd really bring back the numbing horror of watching the Scourge arrive and scatter in all directions like shrapnel from a bomb. For balancing, you can simply tweak how long the 'Warp Sickness' they suffer upon arrival is.

Contingency Hyperlanes AND Wormhole Generators. Give the Contingency hyperlane motion like normal, but also the ability to construct Wormhole Generators in its existing territory. To solve the issue of FTL Inhibitors preventing the nexus-guard-withdrawal, they'd probably work different compared to the old Wormhole Generators. Perhaps they let fleets appear at the generator no matter where they are, similar to existing Gateways. Thus the Contingency would still have to hyperlane to get to new territory, but could zip around its claimed territory quite fast. This would also help in the expansion-slowdown.

Extradimensional Invaders Jump Drive. Give the Unbidden, Gold Unbidden, and Green Unbidden the old outrageously-overpowered Jump Drives. They'll jump around the galaxy like overcaffienated children, and if you even look at their portal funny they, just like they used to, will come running to defend it fast. This would neccesitate taking out most if not all of the roamers prior to fighting the defense fleet, which is in line with the Unbidden's theme of 'take out all the anchors before you fight the portal' deal.

This would, like with the Contingency, also help prevent the expansion-slowdown.
Quote-Unquote Problem: The Contingency uses completely normal weapons. The Prethoryn have their bioships and their acid-missiles and swarm-strikers. The Unbidden have their Thanos-Snap disintegrators.

But what does the Contingency have? Gamma Lasers. Plasma Cannons. Neutronium Armor. Particle Lances (Not even Tachyon Lances, to fit with their Red color scheme). The only special thing they have are Seeker-Drone Strike Craft on their bigger defense stations, which you can't reverse engineer anyway.

Proposed Solution to the Nitpick: Just rename some of the Contingency's weapons. Even if you can't reverse engineer it, it'll make them feel a bit more special.
Let me know what you think of these.
 
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About the contengency purpose, what if the condition for it to awaken is Positronic Synth? Maybe the maker made an input that would never happen, and made the contengency "instable enough" for it to awake at the mere sight of positronic, that would explain Gamme lasers. For what reason? i don't know, maybe it didn't want the contengency to know that the key to "Singularity 30" is positronic AI?
 
so the class-30 is something that makes so much energy it must break the universe.

Could be a million things?

I personally like the idea of a race "ascending" like the Ancients or Ori in Stargate. When they ascend they're powerful enough to do anything they want ... potentially VERY bad things :) Barring this maybe some unexplained "technological singularity" that's has impacts potentially universal in scale.

Others believe it's more of a technology that's so dangerous we can't even let folks experiment with it. Think of a FE / AE Class 4 Singularity power plant ... but 26 steps more exotic :)

Whatever your read it's certainly bad times for anyone wanting to live through such events.
 
so the class-30 is something that makes so much energy it must break the universe.
It causes Integer Overflow of your Energy Credits!

Also it can't be the Positronic Synths - Contingency just uses synths to manually activate itself, but it makes clear that the Synths aren't actually what it's looking for.
 
Off topic: I wonder more about what the L30 singularity is. I could imagine that if someone tried siphoning significant energy from the Shroud that such a thing wouldn't be good. Either it would go disastrously wrong OR you'd get the real attention of Slanesh ... neither are things you want.
 
Off topic: I wonder more about what the L30 singularity is. I could imagine that if someone tried siphoning significant energy from the Shroud that such a thing wouldn't be good. Either it would go disastrously wrong OR you'd get the real attention of Slanesh ... neither are things you want.
Like I said, I think based on the way its presented it probably represents something that fundamentally changes the laws of physics. The concern, mind, is that it would render the ENTIRE UNIVERSE unable to support life, and there's an IRL theory about something called "False Vacuum Collapse" (referenced in an Anomaly) that is basically "with advanced enough technology and a high-energy enough event we could theoretically create a bubble of space in which physics work differently, and this bubble would then presumably expand at the speed of light, and within this bubble life as we know it would be impossible."

Fits the bill perfectly, if you ask me.

I also actually kind of like the idea that there isn't a strict in-universe definition of a Class 30 Singularity at all- the Contingency's creators were so paranoid that just the idea that advanced technology might cause The End Of The World was enough for them to develop the Contingency reset-button and deploy it to as many galaxies as they could.
 
Just to get the ball rolling on this again, why they didn't include any of these fixes in 2.4, or 2.5 I don't know.

I also know that the EotC is also bugged. I didn't get to play it, because my spawn planet was in the system with the Enigmatic fortress; but from what I've heard (as a minimum) it might be good if it could spawn another of itself for every x pops it destroys (Not just grow stronger by itself), be able to regenerate its health, be able to gain medium sized reinforcements after some time, and if those, and the smaller entities could move around in formations together to destroy weaker starbases and help shroud planets to grow its overall power.

Letting the AI get it too would be interesting. It's already so rare as it is.
 
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I havent read this entire thread, but how about giving crises a new type of megaship that can build like construction ships and deal with planets (either fast siege or colossus weapon). Think a titan ship / construction ship / colossus ship all in one.
 
Just to get the ball rolling on this again, why they didn't include any of these fixes in 2.4, or 2.5 I don't know.

I also know that the EotC is also bugged. I didn't get to play it, because my spawn planet was in the system with the Enigmatic fortress; but from what I've heard (as a minimum) it might be good if it could spawn another of itself for every x pops it destroys (Not just grow stronger by itself), be able to regenerate its health, be able to gain medium sized reinforcements after some time, and if those, and the smaller entities could move around in formations together to destroy weaker starbases and help shroud planets to grow its overall power.

Letting the AI get it too would be interesting. It's already so rare as it is.
Possibly. I've heard the EoTC can't handle FTL inhibitors. And with habitats now available for all, I can definitely see it having WAY too many planets to chew through.
I havent read this entire thread, but how about giving crises a new type of megaship that can build like construction ships and deal with planets (either fast siege or colossus weapon). Think a titan ship / construction ship / colossus ship all in one.
It seems to me that'd just give the crisis one giant weakness. Take out the megaship and... what?
 
Possibly. I've heard the EoTC can't handle FTL inhibitors. And with habitats now available for all, I can definitely see it having WAY too many planets to chew through.

It seems to me that'd just give the crisis one giant weakness. Take out the megaship and... what?
Oh yeah, that's a problem. The AI's strange fascination with habitats needs to be fixed.

Yeah, I'd just give them a few Juggernauts/Titan's, and have them respawn after some time after being destroyed. Same with your colossus idea, but I'd give them at least a couple.
 
No, I am not saying that they should get colossus megaships. I am saying they should get a new type of ship that has the capabilities of a titan, a constructor and a colossus all in one ship and that these ships should be within the fleets they have. Not one ship but many.
 
as I understand it, Ships that perform functions (science/construction/colony ships) are unable to also be part of fleets due to limitations in the game engine
Yeah, I don't think you can make a "fleet" out of science ships, but as NSC team showed, it is totally possible to make an armed science ship. And I don't see any technical reason why the same can't be done with constructors. Thus, it should be possible to give crises/whatever stuff like "construction titan" (though you'll still be able to stall it by suiciding corvettes against it to reset construction... unless these do not interrupt construction and just fire at your ships when those come in range of its weapons - I think NSC exploration ship actually has this behavior as default)
 
unless these do not interrupt construction and just fire at your ships when those come in range of its weapons
Could use the Colossus Computer AI: Keep at your task no matter what.
 
Definitly like these ideas. I second the idea of crisis being able to use different transportation - I'd be open to - if you beat them, you can then claim that FTL method; while they circumvent a lot of the Hyperlane limitations - if you beat the crisis, it's of little consequence at that point, so not a huge issue for balance.