So, game accurately represents how the USSR industrialised massively in the lead up to the war, but were caught unprepared on the field in 1941.
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Can we talk about the Soviet Union nerfs?
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Obviously yes, but which one is it? Do I spam USA twice? Thrice? Is it some mysterious combination between them?
I took germany(the others disappear after you take one) and than 3 new decisions appear, one of them is 5% civ construction and -5% consumer goods. You can only take one of the 3 upgrades
I think the 3 decisions which appear are always the same for every country but not sure
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Yeah, what's up with that, why land-lease is basically non-existant?? Only once I managed to ask USA for land-lease (after they did their focuses, in 42), while holding the whole Axis alone while Allies were chilling in no-supply Africa, and the only thing they gave me was 17 rifles!
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I don't care what it represents correctly or not. I care about MP balance. And having no meaningful industry to rival the axis is a death sentence. Before NSB Russia crumbled way too fast in most MP games anyway, now it just got worse.
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Tried the Soviet tree yesterday. Really disappointed with it. The entire nation is now weak beyond measure. The paranoia system is just ridiculous and don’t get me started on the civil wars.
It seems far too unnecessarily complex and quite frankly, dull.
It seems far too unnecessarily complex and quite frankly, dull.
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I take it you've never done the following focuses then:
Uk:
Limited Rearmament
The Shadow Scheme
Royal Ordinance Factories
Germany:
Integrate War Economies
German War Economy
Herman Goering Werke
KDF-Wagen
Japan:
Guide the Zaibatsus
Nationalize the Zaibatsus
Challenge the Zaibatsus
Imperial Arsenals
Ally with the Zaibatsus
Italy:
Industrial Effort
Industrial Effort II
Army Primacy
France:
Industrial Expansion
Colonial Industry (can technically give 10 factories, but you have to do four other focuses for it to do that)
Form the State Arsenals
National Champions
USA:
Arsenal of Democracy
Military Construction
USACE Projects
And that's just the majors.
Yes, I'm being facetious here. But saying that you "don't have time for a 70 day focus that gives me under 10 factories" is not a very good measure for how good a focus is.
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Not really no, 3rd year plans make you weaker instead of stronger (Who thought +5% consumer goods was a good idea?), some focuses take too long, are useless or are a massive PP drain.
I suspect the tree was designed to be finished some time around 1945 except all the European theatres are closed by 1943 and so the focus tree ends up failing both the player and developers.
Also Hoi 4 is about snowballing, hard and for the Soviet Union there's absolutely no way to come back from that.
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I really really really dont like the randomness with the paranoia system.
Stalin wants to purge a Navy Admiral or debuff navy stuff? Fuck yeah, navy is useless anyways
Stalin wants to reduce my political power income or purge the Captain of Industry advisor at the beginning of the game? Guess I lose 60pp because I can't allow that, which leads to even more paranoia events(why does it cost me 60pp and +30 paranoia anyway?)
In one playthrough the zhukov purge event appeared 3 times in a row. It just doesnt feel good
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I don't understand your argument here, nearly all these foci you mentioned are essential industrial foci for the specific countries to be viable. 70 days to claim Bessarabia is not a top priority in the soviet focus tree lol. You already have no time as russia to complete all important foci like your 2 research slots + purge + army buffs before Barbarossa hits
Another example would be the 2x35 Foci to send volunteers to china
It also takes 245 days to completely remove the Air debuff as russia, why not create some decisions to use air xp to fix your airforce? instead of these boring foci
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Which is a GOOD thing as I was in Berlin by January 1942 before the DLC. And SOV should be weaker in 1941 and get stronger in 42 and also in 43. You know like it happened in real life.
It called CHOICES.
It's why you need the allies to pull their weight. And why should you be able to do everythin in 1941?
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So you're saying that USSR is not stronk and is not abundant in Stalinium?
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Indeed. Goering's Luftwaffe is fully capable of supplying not only the sixth army, but all three army groups!
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Göring's fat deposits could probably feed an entire army in Stalingrad.
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Goring's secret drug stash could probably make the 6th army into space marines
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It's almost like the Wehrmacht lacked the airframes to cover the Eastern front, maybe Germany should get an air force debuff. You know, to make it more historically accurate.
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So:
1.Calm down. No reason to get offensive, i just posted my first impressions
2.I dont know why you think that you cant be in Berlin in 42 with this build. Just did that. Its same in SP as before the update: You can directly go into a full scale offensive when germany starts barb.
3.I just dont like it when there are large kinda interesting but weak parts of focus trees, you would like to pick for immersion, but have no real time to do that. Here I skipped 90% of the diplomacy, the naval and air force part.
Bonus negative points when those things were actually done before the war in RL .
4.Yes, choices are nice , but i dont see choices in the part of my post that you quoted. I just listed things i did wrong and would improve next time. For example me having full air doctrin and a low level of landdoctrin does not result from my actions. (Or better it results from the lack of actionsn) I did not focus on getting it. You just, get so many air exp in spain that airdoctrine is really easy to get
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I had max air xp after SCW, Spent all of it on max upgrading my fighter 2 instead of doctrines and then had only 1 doctrine.
Ok. Yeah I just buffed engines to max. . I always have the idea that agility is the most important thing and that upgrading weapons is actually a downgrade because it reduces it.
But might be that my information aged bad.