EU4 - Development Diary - 20th of December 2016

[Atlantians]

Of course

I can translate bad English into good English. Will work for beer.

 

[Seven Sulivin]

Of course

With money?

 

[Dracolithfiend]

Don't take this the wrong way but you Scandinavians sure like taking vacations. I mean a month off in the summer and another in the winter is like. . . 3 times as much time off as us Americans take... you know, assuming we take the days we are suppose to off >,>

 

[Wagonlitz]

Don't take this the wrong way but you Scandinavians sure like taking vacations. I mean a month off in the summer and another in the winter is like. . . 3 times as much time off as us Americans take... you know, assuming we take the days we are suppose to off >,>

It's called having properly working unions. (What you Americans call unions are an abomination and nothing like what exists here in the North.) Here we have 6 weeks of vacation a year (though I think the Swedes might just have 5) and it's due to the unions. It generally takes a general strike to get another week of vacation. And then on top of that there's around 2 weeks worth of bank holidays spread around the year.
And to get a system similar to the Nordic one you'll probably need to go through similar things like here. For instance in Denmark we have a 7 months long conflict with general strikes/boycotts and general lockouts back in 1899 which led to both workers and employers being really exhausted and sitting down deciding to cooperate instead of fighting---and cooperation has existed since then (with the occasional conflict of course, but they're really rare).

Also why wouldn't you take the vacation you are due in America? You aren't paid your salary while being on vacation in the US?

 

[Atlantians]

Also why wouldn't you take the vacation you are due in America? You aren't paid your salary while being on vacation in the US?

6 weeks Paid vacation a year?! Hahahahaha...

 

[Wagonlitz]

6 weeks Paid vacation a year?! Hahahahaha...

You don't believe me? Because we most certainly get 6 weeks of paid vacation here. And then almost 2 weeks of paid bank holidays on top.

 

[Belegurt]

It's called having properly working unions. (What you Americans call unions are an abomination and nothing like what exists here in the North.) Here we have 6 weeks of vacation a year (though I think the Swedes might just have 5) and it's due to the unions. It generally takes a general strike to get another week of vacation. And then on top of that there's around 2 weeks worth of bank holidays spread around the year.
And to get a system similar to the Nordic one you'll probably need to go through similar things like here. For instance in Denmark we have a 7 months long conflict with general strikes/boycotts and general lockouts back in 1899 which led to both workers and employers being really exhausted and sitting down deciding to cooperate instead of fighting---and cooperation has existed since then (with the occasional conflict of course, but they're really rare).

Also why wouldn't you take the vacation you are due in America? You aren't paid your salary while being on vacation in the US?

Looool.... i work in a restaurant in Italy buddy... i started in this place last 7th of january... since then i've enjoyed 3 DAYS OF VACATIONS TOTAL... working 6 days a week

Since i came to Kobenhavn when i was 16 i've been saying "one day ill move to denmark, i love it"

God u make me think about that seriously

 

[Wagonlitz]

Looool.... i work in a restaurant in Italy buddy... i started in this place last 7th of january... since then i've enjoyed 3 DAYS OF VACATIONS TOTAL... working 6 days a week

Since i came to Kobenhavn when i was 16 i've been saying "one day ill move to denmark, i love it"

God u make me think about that seriously

Is it now that I should mention that the normal work week here is 37 hours? (Though many people work more.) And that pretty much nobody works more than 5 days a week? Or that the average wage is 5500 USD a month? (Albeit prices are high here too).

 

[Belegurt]

well, in theory i should have 2.6 vacations days each month...

u know...

in theory.

and u've got pretty hot girls aswell and for some strange reasons those girls thinks my accent is kinda hot...

if only i could come to terms with ur freaking winters...

 

[Dracolithfiend]

We have unions here and yes they went through the exact same thing. In fact the Unions kept fighting for rights through WWII. Statistically over 50% of Americans fail to use all their vacation days. They also receive by far the lowest amount of paid time off which makes it that much stranger. Fun facts: The US has no federal requirement for paid time off, breaks, or lunch.

I think I should move to Sweden.

 

[ggsimmonds]

It's called having properly working unions. (What you Americans call unions are an abomination and nothing like what exists here in the North.) Here we have 6 weeks of vacation a year (though I think the Swedes might just have 5) and it's due to the unions. It generally takes a general strike to get another week of vacation. And then on top of that there's around 2 weeks worth of bank holidays spread around the year.
And to get a system similar to the Nordic one you'll probably need to go through similar things like here. For instance in Denmark we have a 7 months long conflict with general strikes/boycotts and general lockouts back in 1899 which led to both workers and employers being really exhausted and sitting down deciding to cooperate instead of fighting---and cooperation has existed since then (with the occasional conflict of course, but they're really rare).

Also why wouldn't you take the vacation you are due in America? You aren't paid your salary while being on vacation in the US?

Many places in the US you have to get vacation approved and employers are good about finding reasons to reject it

 

[Threshold]

Also why wouldn't you take the vacation you are due in America? You aren't paid your salary while being on vacation in the US?

Mostly if you get vacation at all, it's not paid. There are exceptions, of course, but even then it's nowhere near as good as what you've got.
Unless you're in Congress. Then your job is basically a paid vacation.

Is it now that I should mention that the normal work week here is 37 hours? (Though many people work more.) And that pretty much nobody works more than 5 days a week? Or that the average wage is 5500 USD a month? (Albeit prices are high here too).

That settles it, we're all moving in with you for a month until we can afford our own places.

 

[chrnno]

@Wagonlitz witnessing what is believed to be an everdistant dream, an unreachable utopia means even clear and indisputable facts will be met with some scepticism out of sheer incongruity with all known facts.

 

[Atlantians]

You don't believe me? Because we most certainly get 6 weeks of paid vacation here. And then almost 2 weeks of paid bank holidays on top.

I didn't say I didn't believe you. In the USA it took me 2 years to earn 5 days of paid vacation.

 

[Trin Tragula]

Don't take this the wrong way but you Scandinavians sure like taking vacations. I mean a month off in the summer and another in the winter is like. . . 3 times as much time off as us Americans take... you know, assuming we take the days we are suppose to off >,>

I think I should move to Sweden.

Most at pds take 2 weeks in the winter and the 4 in summer.
Law gives 5 paid weeks per year (4 of which has to be given together during the summer months unless the employee doesn't want to).
Paradox has 6 weeks paid vacation (and we do have positions open often these days ).
It's not 2 months though but it's more than many places and still seems to work ok for us (and some other European countries). A Swedish work week is 40 hours (unless you're in some special area such as health care which has exceptions through collective agreements) so apparently it's longer than the Danish one.

This is all a bit off topic for this thread though

 

[net.split]

The best thing about the Swedish work day is fika.

I spent five weeks working there. It was really fantastic. Everyone was just so chill and satisfied with their work.

And the best coffee in the world.

Also the lunchroom served beer.

 

[Xdevo]

I swear every other month a dev diary devolves into a discussion about how many vacation hours people get.

 

[Atlantians]

Most at pds take 2 weeks in the winter and the 4 in summer.
Law gives 5 paid weeks per year (4 of which has to be given together during the summer months unless the employee doesn't want to).
Paradox has 6 weeks paid vacation (and we do have positions open often these days ).
It's not 2 months though but it's more than many places and still seems to work ok for us (and some other European countries). A Swedish work week is 40 hours (unless you're in some special area such as health care which has exceptions through collective agreements) so apparently it's longer than the Danish one.

This is all a bit off topic for this thread though

Do you issue Work Visas?

 

[Atlantians]

I swear every other month a dev diary devolves into a discussion about how many vacation hours people get.

That is because every other month they are on vacation...

 

[Seven Sulivin]

Don't take this the wrong way but you Scandinavians sure like taking vacations. I mean a month off in the summer and another in the winter is like. . . 3 times as much time off as us Americans take... you know, assuming we take the days we are suppose to off >,>

USA should not be the stanered.