Steam Open BETA Patch v2.0.2 now live

Me_ · Dec 13, 2013

Sleight of Hand said:
Today's update.

Code:

- The "Holy Smoke" achievement should now work as intended
- The "And Stay Out!" achievement should now work as intended
- Fixed a bug when saving a game that has a religion which has overthrown the parent religion
- Fixed problem where hordes counted as theocracies in the game setup
- Fixed flank leaders being reset when loading saves
- The Ibadi and Hurufi Caliphates and the Yazidi Sheikhdom can now be properly created
- Fixed a bug where rulers of all religions could ask their religious head to start a crusade
- If Catholicism becomes a heresy, "Mending the Schism" is no longer possible

Edit: I forgot the lesser changes
AI:

Code:

- AI: Fixed a bug where Catholic rulers would spam the Pope with money requests and bishop nomination requests, spending their Piety
- AI: Really powerful rulers now sometimes create antipopes, even when they are not excommunicated, depending on papal opinions and the number of church loyalist bishops

MODDING:

Code:

- Added has_regiments trigger.

and INTERFACE:

Code:

- Now the checkbox for auto invite plots displays correctly

Andswaru · Dec 13, 2013

Could you please post the new patch changes seperately, on in the thread as a additional post, so i (we) can quickly see the latest changes? Would make overseeing the patches progress (plus testing "fixed" features) easier.:blush:

Edit: someone decided to make me look foolish, but my request still got fufilled so thankyou

Sleight of Hand · Dec 13, 2013

Thank you.

GC13 · Dec 13, 2013

Doomdark said:
Of course you want to hold as much as possible yourself, within your demesne limit. However, three counts should not, on average, give you more troops than one duke. If that's the case, it's not something we'll change in this patch though. You can play around with the figures yourself in the defines (the last group in NMilitary.)

Isn't this simply Liege_Levy_Multiplier at work? It's set at 0.5, so adding another vassal (be it a king or a duke) between you and a count will reduce the troops from that count by 50%. That one duke will give you half as many troops as the three counts, but since he's raising from three counties it will be a bigger number than any one of them would have given you.

unmerged(94417) · Dec 13, 2013

Launcher crashes on Mac (2.0.2.4):

EDIT: It keeps crashing even after reverting back to 2.0.1. But only when started through steam. Its fine if i start the launcher directly (both 2.0.1 and 2.0.2.4).
It used to work through steam also before i opted in the beta.

Code:

Process:         CrusaderKings2 [563]
Path:            /Users/USER/Library/Application Support/Steam/*/CrusaderKings2.app/Contents/MacOS/CrusaderKings2
Identifier:      ParadoxDevelopment.CrusaderKings2
Version:         1.0 (1)
Code Type:       X86-64 (Native)
Parent Process:  launchd [161]
Responsible:     CrusaderKings2 [563]
User ID:         501

Date/Time:       2013-12-13 17:29:47.181 +0100
OS Version:      Mac OS X 10.9 (13A603)
Report Version:  11
Anonymous UUID:  5ACDD3F5-8600-6155-1E4B-5BF7EC375331


Crashed Thread:  0  Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread

Exception Type:  EXC_BAD_INSTRUCTION (SIGILL)
Exception Codes: 0x0000000000000001, 0x0000000000000000

Application Specific Information:
objc[563]: '/Applications/Steam.app/Contents/MacOS/osx32/gameoverlayrenderer.dylib' was not compiled with -fobjc-gc or -fobjc-gc-only, but the application requires GC
objc[563]: *** GC capability of application and some libraries did not match

Thread 0 Crashed:: Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
0   libobjc.A.dylib               	0x00007fff8cc7775b _objc_trap() + 0
1   libobjc.A.dylib               	0x00007fff8cc7789b _objc_fatal + 195
2   libobjc.A.dylib               	0x00007fff8cc81e54 verify_gc_readiness(signed char, _header_info**, unsigned int) + 263
3   libobjc.A.dylib               	0x00007fff8cc6b885 map_images_nolock + 1113
4   libobjc.A.dylib               	0x00007fff8cc6b415 map_images + 47
5   dyld                          	0x00007fff5ff9a534 dyld::notifyBatchPartial(dyld_image_states, bool, char const* (*)(dyld_image_states, unsigned int, dyld_image_info const*)) + 664
6   dyld                          	0x00007fff5ff9a27c dyld::registerImageStateBatchChangeHandler(dyld_image_states, char const* (*)(dyld_image_states, unsigned int, dyld_image_info const*)) + 177
7   libdyld.dylib                 	0x00007fff8f3758f1 dyld_register_image_state_change_handler + 76
8   libobjc.A.dylib               	0x00007fff8cc6b04d _objc_init + 77
9   libdispatch.dylib             	0x00007fff8c2eefb7 _os_object_init + 9
10  libSystem.B.dylib             	0x00007fff83909aa3 libSystem_initializer + 137
11  dyld                          	0x00007fff5ffa7c2e ImageLoaderMachO::doModInitFunctions(ImageLoader::LinkContext const&) + 268
12  dyld                          	0x00007fff5ffa7dba ImageLoaderMachO::doInitialization(ImageLoader::LinkContext const&) + 40
13  dyld                          	0x00007fff5ffa4a62 ImageLoader::recursiveInitialization(ImageLoader::LinkContext const&, unsigned int, ImageLoader::InitializerTimingList&) + 308
14  dyld                          	0x00007fff5ffa49eb ImageLoader::recursiveInitialization(ImageLoader::LinkContext const&, unsigned int, ImageLoader::InitializerTimingList&) + 189
15  dyld                          	0x00007fff5ffa49eb ImageLoader::recursiveInitialization(ImageLoader::LinkContext const&, unsigned int, ImageLoader::InitializerTimingList&) + 189
16  dyld                          	0x00007fff5ffa49eb ImageLoader::recursiveInitialization(ImageLoader::LinkContext const&, unsigned int, ImageLoader::InitializerTimingList&) + 189
17  dyld                          	0x00007fff5ffa49eb ImageLoader::recursiveInitialization(ImageLoader::LinkContext const&, unsigned int, ImageLoader::InitializerTimingList&) + 189
18  dyld                          	0x00007fff5ffa49eb ImageLoader::recursiveInitialization(ImageLoader::LinkContext const&, unsigned int, ImageLoader::InitializerTimingList&) + 189
19  dyld                          	0x00007fff5ffa48f6 ImageLoader::runInitializers(ImageLoader::LinkContext const&, ImageLoader::InitializerTimingList&) + 54
20  dyld                          	0x00007fff5ff981b7 dyld::initializeMainExecutable() + 154
21  dyld                          	0x00007fff5ff9b560 dyld::_main(macho_header const*, unsigned long, int, char const**, char const**, char const**, unsigned long*) + 2419
22  dyld                          	0x00007fff5ff9727b dyldbootstrap::start(macho_header const*, int, char const**, long, macho_header const*, unsigned long*) + 477
23  dyld                          	0x00007fff5ff9705e _dyld_start + 54

Thread 0 crashed with X86 Thread State (64-bit):
  rax: 0x0000000000000000  rbx: 0x00007fff5fbfc090  rcx: 0x0000000000000000  rdx: 0x00007fff7397f028
  rdi: 0x0000010000000203  rsi: 0x0000020000000200  rbp: 0x00007fff5fbfbef0  rsp: 0x00007fff5fbfbe08
   r8: 0x0000000000000040   r9: 0x00007fff5fbfbd00  r10: 0x00007fff8850f348  r11: 0xffffa00100108fa7
  r12: 0x0000600000059500  r13: 0x00007fff8cc8b701  r14: 0x0000000000000000  r15: 0x0000000000000001
  rip: 0x00007fff8cc7775b  rfl: 0x0000000000010206  cr2: 0x0000000100200000
  
Logical CPU:     2
Error Code:      0x00000000
Trap Number:     6


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External Modification Summary:
  Calls made by other processes targeting this process:
    task_for_pid: 0
    thread_create: 0
    thread_set_state: 0
  Calls made by this process:
    task_for_pid: 0
    thread_create: 0
    thread_set_state: 0
  Calls made by all processes on this machine:
    task_for_pid: 211
    thread_create: 1
    thread_set_state: 0

VM Region Summary:
ReadOnly portion of Libraries: Total=171.9M resident=89.2M(52%) swapped_out_or_unallocated=82.7M(48%)
Writable regions: Total=14.5M written=108K(1%) resident=256K(2%) swapped_out=0K(0%) unallocated=14.3M(98%)
 
REGION TYPE                      VIRTUAL
===========                      =======
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USB Device: Hub
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USB Device: Hub
USB Device: Hub
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Thunderbolt Bus: MacBook Pro, Apple Inc., 25.1

RX2000 · Dec 13, 2013

Doomdark said:
We could not get the patch through QA today, but I've updated the beta patch with the last few fixes. Fingers crossed, we'll release this version on Monday.

Thanks for the update!

Wolfmaster1979 · Dec 13, 2013

I can confirm that the "And Stay Out!" achievement works as intended now

C2A9B265058F0B91121F39FF1C73B67B3DCC10C9

AndrewT · Dec 13, 2013

load81 said:

Launcher crashes on Mac (2.0.2.4):

EDIT: It keeps crashing even after reverting back to 2.0.1. But only when started through steam. Its fine if i start the launcher directly (both 2.0.1 and 2.0.2.4).
It used to work through steam also before i opted in the beta.

Code:

Process:         CrusaderKings2 [563]
Path:            /Users/USER/Library/Application Support/Steam/*/CrusaderKings2.app/Contents/MacOS/CrusaderKings2
Identifier:      ParadoxDevelopment.CrusaderKings2
Version:         1.0 (1)
Code Type:       X86-64 (Native)
Parent Process:  launchd [161]
Responsible:     CrusaderKings2 [563]
User ID:         501

Date/Time:       2013-12-13 17:29:47.181 +0100
OS Version:      Mac OS X 10.9 (13A603)
Report Version:  11
Anonymous UUID:  5ACDD3F5-8600-6155-1E4B-5BF7EC375331


Crashed Thread:  0  Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread

Exception Type:  EXC_BAD_INSTRUCTION (SIGILL)
Exception Codes: 0x0000000000000001, 0x0000000000000000

Application Specific Information:
objc[563]: '/Applications/Steam.app/Contents/MacOS/osx32/gameoverlayrenderer.dylib' was not compiled with -fobjc-gc or -fobjc-gc-only, but the application requires GC
objc[563]: *** GC capability of application and some libraries did not match

Thread 0 Crashed:: Dispatch queue: com.apple.main-thread
0   libobjc.A.dylib               	0x00007fff8cc7775b _objc_trap() + 0
1   libobjc.A.dylib               	0x00007fff8cc7789b _objc_fatal + 195
2   libobjc.A.dylib               	0x00007fff8cc81e54 verify_gc_readiness(signed char, _header_info**, unsigned int) + 263
3   libobjc.A.dylib               	0x00007fff8cc6b885 map_images_nolock + 1113
4   libobjc.A.dylib               	0x00007fff8cc6b415 map_images + 47
5   dyld                          	0x00007fff5ff9a534 dyld::notifyBatchPartial(dyld_image_states, bool, char const* (*)(dyld_image_states, unsigned int, dyld_image_info const*)) + 664
6   dyld                          	0x00007fff5ff9a27c dyld::registerImageStateBatchChangeHandler(dyld_image_states, char const* (*)(dyld_image_states, unsigned int, dyld_image_info const*)) + 177
7   libdyld.dylib                 	0x00007fff8f3758f1 dyld_register_image_state_change_handler + 76
8   libobjc.A.dylib               	0x00007fff8cc6b04d _objc_init + 77
9   libdispatch.dylib             	0x00007fff8c2eefb7 _os_object_init + 9
10  libSystem.B.dylib             	0x00007fff83909aa3 libSystem_initializer + 137
11  dyld                          	0x00007fff5ffa7c2e ImageLoaderMachO::doModInitFunctions(ImageLoader::LinkContext const&) + 268
12  dyld                          	0x00007fff5ffa7dba ImageLoaderMachO::doInitialization(ImageLoader::LinkContext const&) + 40
13  dyld                          	0x00007fff5ffa4a62 ImageLoader::recursiveInitialization(ImageLoader::LinkContext const&, unsigned int, ImageLoader::InitializerTimingList&) + 308
14  dyld                          	0x00007fff5ffa49eb ImageLoader::recursiveInitialization(ImageLoader::LinkContext const&, unsigned int, ImageLoader::InitializerTimingList&) + 189
15  dyld                          	0x00007fff5ffa49eb ImageLoader::recursiveInitialization(ImageLoader::LinkContext const&, unsigned int, ImageLoader::InitializerTimingList&) + 189
16  dyld                          	0x00007fff5ffa49eb ImageLoader::recursiveInitialization(ImageLoader::LinkContext const&, unsigned int, ImageLoader::InitializerTimingList&) + 189
17  dyld                          	0x00007fff5ffa49eb ImageLoader::recursiveInitialization(ImageLoader::LinkContext const&, unsigned int, ImageLoader::InitializerTimingList&) + 189
18  dyld                          	0x00007fff5ffa49eb ImageLoader::recursiveInitialization(ImageLoader::LinkContext const&, unsigned int, ImageLoader::InitializerTimingList&) + 189
19  dyld                          	0x00007fff5ffa48f6 ImageLoader::runInitializers(ImageLoader::LinkContext const&, ImageLoader::InitializerTimingList&) + 54
20  dyld                          	0x00007fff5ff981b7 dyld::initializeMainExecutable() + 154
21  dyld                          	0x00007fff5ff9b560 dyld::_main(macho_header const*, unsigned long, int, char const**, char const**, char const**, unsigned long*) + 2419
22  dyld                          	0x00007fff5ff9727b dyldbootstrap::start(macho_header const*, int, char const**, long, macho_header const*, unsigned long*) + 477
23  dyld                          	0x00007fff5ff9705e _dyld_start + 54

Thread 0 crashed with X86 Thread State (64-bit):
  rax: 0x0000000000000000  rbx: 0x00007fff5fbfc090  rcx: 0x0000000000000000  rdx: 0x00007fff7397f028
  rdi: 0x0000010000000203  rsi: 0x0000020000000200  rbp: 0x00007fff5fbfbef0  rsp: 0x00007fff5fbfbe08
   r8: 0x0000000000000040   r9: 0x00007fff5fbfbd00  r10: 0x00007fff8850f348  r11: 0xffffa00100108fa7
  r12: 0x0000600000059500  r13: 0x00007fff8cc8b701  r14: 0x0000000000000000  r15: 0x0000000000000001
  rip: 0x00007fff8cc7775b  rfl: 0x0000000000010206  cr2: 0x0000000100200000
  
Logical CPU:     2
Error Code:      0x00000000
Trap Number:     6


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Hennenz · Dec 14, 2013

GC13 said:
Isn't this simply Liege_Levy_Multiplier at work? It's set at 0.5, so adding another vassal (be it a king or a duke) between you and a count will reduce the troops from that count by 50%. That one duke will give you half as many troops as the three counts, but since he's raising from three counties it will be a bigger number than any one of them would have given you.

This. Example:

Count 1A has 100 troops
Count 1B has 100 troops
Count 1C has 100 troops

King 1A receives 300/2 = 150 troops

Same situation only this time, you've granted Count 1A the duchy.

Duke 1A has 100 troops
Count 1B has 100 troops
Count 1C has 100 troops

Duke 1A receives 200/2 = 100 troops + 100 of his own troops = 200 troops.

King 1A receives 200/2 = 100 troops.

Through this example, I've demonstrated to you that feudalism is broken. Because this king granted the duchy to the count, he has lost 1/3rd of his troops and has only succeeded in creating a stronger vassal. This effect is multiplicative across an entire kingdom creating a situation with perpetually stronger vassals and perpetually weaker kings. It gets worse as an emperor with vassal kings.

You had good intentions, but this implementation creates a situation in your feudal sim where feudalism is the worst way to play. I really want to play the feudal simulator again without intentionally damaging my own position. Thanks in advance.

Azarias59 · Dec 14, 2013

Yeah, the new levy system is unbalanced. I don't mind the concept, it just needs to be toned down by A LOT.

And, seriously, it should be punishable to not supply your liege troops.

Hennenz · Dec 14, 2013

Azarias59 said:
Yeah, the new levy system is unbalanced. I don't mind the concept, it just needs to be toned down by A LOT.

And, seriously, it should be punishable to not supply your liege troops.

This is another good point. What happened to counts and dukes that didn't back their kings up? Exactly. This is a two way street that just needs hammered out a little. Cough feudalism dlc cough.

Hethran · Dec 14, 2013

Azarias59 said:
Yeah, the new levy system is unbalanced. I don't mind the concept, it just needs to be toned down by A LOT.

And, seriously, it should be punishable to not supply your liege troops.

This is already modelled effectively by crown authority.

The only way vassals can refuse to provide you with any levies is if you have autonomous vassals. Which makes perfect sense - autonomous vassals is supposed to model a situation in which the king has almost no authority, and wouldn't be able to bring such vassals to account for their refusal to provide levies.

scottmann86 · Dec 14, 2013

Hethran said:
This is already modelled effectively by crown authority.

The only way vassals can refuse to provide you with any levies is if you have autonomous vassals. Which makes perfect sense - autonomous vassals is supposed to model a situation in which the king has almost no authority, and wouldn't be able to bring such vassals to account for their refusal to provide levies.

For a game that focuses so much on Dynasties, relationships with vassals, and feudalism I really think this is kind of a simplistic view of things. How much CA did Alfred the Great have compared to say William of Normandy? Did a vassal refuse troops to Alfred because, "sorry my liege. I would really give you more men to defend our country from the rampaging Danes. However, your Crown Authority is too low." If a lord refused to send sufficient troops to their liege, that lord could very well be imprisoned or banished etc. I think that when being invaded vassals should honestly allow you to take most of their troops, you're a kingdom fighting for its' very survival. On the other hand, I think that vassals with a very low opinion of you should have the chance to not only refuse you troops, but join your enemies. If you are the one invading, vassals should lend you less or more troops depending upon opinion, or because they fear the consequences of not sending you troops. If a vassal doesn't send you troops, their should be options after the war to perhaps extract a special tax, or imprison them, revoke a title etc. If you want to play around with the levy systems, that's how I would do it. Strong, well-liked kings will gain more from their vessels, hated kings may find their country falling into chaos as their vassals join their enemies.

Me_ · Dec 14, 2013

scottmann86 said:
For a game that focuses so much on Dynasties, relationships with vassals, and feudalism I really think this is kind of a simplistic view of things. How much CA did Alfred the Great have compared to say William of Normandy? Did a vassal refuse troops to Alfred because, "sorry my liege. I would really give you more men to defend our country from the rampaging Danes. However, your Crown Authority is too low." If a lord refused to send sufficient troops to their liege, that lord could very well be imprisoned or banished etc. I think that when being invaded vassals should honestly allow you to take most of their troops, you're a kingdom fighting for its' very survival. On the other hand, I think that vassals with a very low opinion of you should have the chance to not only refuse you troops, but join your enemies. If you are the one invading, vassals should lend you less or more troops depending upon opinion, or because they fear the consequences of not sending you troops. If a vassal doesn't send you troops, their should be options after the war to perhaps extract a special tax, or imprison them, revoke a title etc. If you want to play around with the levy systems, that's how I would do it. Strong, well-liked kings will gain more from their vessels, hated kings may find their country falling into chaos as their vassals join their enemies.

Crown authority determines minimum vassal levies, that is the amount you get even from people who dislike you. When you are being invaded you get a bonus to relations with vassals that lets you use more of their troops. If you feel like a vassal is not pulling his weight, then of course you can imprison them. Your other vassals will disagree. Pretty much everything beside vassals joining your enemies is already in-game/possible in-game and the betrayals may be too much for the system to handle.

Miaow · Dec 14, 2013

Me_ said:
Crown authority determines minimum vassal levies, that is the amount you get even from people who dislike you. When you are being invaded you get a bonus to relations with vassals that lets you use more of their troops. If you feel like a vassal is not pulling his weight, then of course you can imprison them. Your other vassals will disagree. Pretty much everything beside vassals joining your enemies is already in-game/possible in-game and the betrayals may be too much for the system to handle.

I think a bigger issues is that a vassal cannot provide Alfred the Great with more than 12.5% of his levies (under perfectly ideal conditions) because Alfred is a Duke-tier so he's not even allowed a capital kingdom....the current system is just poorly designed.

Rrr · Dec 14, 2013

The problem with diminishing levies is VERY real.
There is simple way how to change the code in order to achieve both these results:
1. for easier tweaking Paradox wants to have constant (multiplier) to troops
2. The feodal lord (for example king) recieves same amount of troops in all cases such as all counts are directly under king or counts are under dukes.
Note currently result 2 is not the case.

So solution is to code liege levies formula instead of current one (presumably this is one)
liege_levy = (vasal_troops + this_troops) * levy_multiplier
to this one
liege_levy =this_troops * levy_multiplier + vasal_troops

In case if not obvious: the talk is about levy multiplier that halves the liege troops for every tier, not the multpliers for capital etc. By its definition if you have the multplier that decreases the troops then every additional tier will decrease by that amount snowbaling the result.

thekaje · Dec 14, 2013

Doomdark said:
Of course you want to hold as much as possible yourself, within your demesne limit. However, three counts should not, on average, give you more troops than one duke. If that's the case, it's not something we'll change in this patch though. You can play around with the figures yourself in the defines (the last group in NMilitary.)

Weird... it's posts like this from the dev that really make me shake my head in confusion. As I understand it, it's obvious that three counts will provide more to a king than one duke would. That is the entire nature of the levy change.

I assumed that the designer of the game approved this change with the understanding that he was doing this but introducing some kind of trade-off between levy sizes and technology/convenience.

Apparently, the designer had no idea that this is how the levy change works. A troubling sign?

Kljunas · Dec 14, 2013

Do you guys plan on reworking the Israel decision (or the possibility for Jerusalem to drift) so that the kingdom of Israel could have de jure territory in Israel?

ChildeR · Dec 14, 2013

Hennenz said:
Through this example, I've demonstrated to you that feudalism is broken.

Rrr said:
2. The feodal lord (for example king) recieves same amount of troops in all cases such as all counts are directly under king or counts are under dukes.
Note currently result 2 is not the case.

This is simply untrue, since AFAICT the math doesn't work as you guys think. It may have been the case at some point, but isn't in current versions. I tried it by loading as the petty king of Brittany in 1066, console granting myself k_brittany. Each count can give about 500 troops max, except one who has two counties who can give about 1000. Grant one of them the duchy, wait a few weeks for the numbers to refresh. That duke with 5 counties can grant you a maximum of about 2500 troops, no halving going on.

Now this is very off topic, so if you want to discuss this in more detail, perhaps we should take it to a new thread?

CDL · Dec 14, 2013

Is this patch going to fix the faction nonsense? They were pretty bad before but now they're just boring + they don't need faction support to trigger. They can just call in vassals anyway (and they always join regardless of positive feelings towards player).
It's the same thing over and over. Become king---Die---Succession crisis (faction rebellion)--- Crush rebellion---Die---Succession crisis (faction rebellion)--- Crush rebellion---Die--- over and over again. The idea is good but the implementation is shockingly poor. There needs to be a reason for maintaining positive relations as there isn't one at the moment. The +100 effect is the same as -100 essentially. Ai will join factions because it's is a Ai vs Player. Where is vassal loyalty calculated? Is it even represented within game? I gave a content noble a duchy which pushed his opinion to +100. 7 game days later, faction rebellion happens (lower crown authority-it was at low!) and this +100 opinion, noble who just benefited from me agrees to join when prompted by the faction leader. Why?
I really used to love this game when it first came out but now it just rolls over the same dynamic and the extra little "events" you add do not detract from this fact.

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