Victoria 3 - Dev Diary #104 - Quality of Life improvements in 1.6

[Max_Romanov]

The Outliner now has tabs (Pinned / Economy / Politics / Diplomacy / Military / All).

In addition to these changes, you are now able to unpin Political Movements, Diplomatic Plays etc, giving you more control over what is shown in the Outliner.

Question
Does the new Outliner work the same as Stellaris? That is, you can customize each tab.

added the ability to fully customize your Outliner tabs. In your Outliner Options, there is now a toggle for Custom Outliner Tab, which will let you select any elements you wish to show on that particular tab. This should allow you to set up your tabs however you desire, including putting everything on a single tab or duplicating the same information across different tabs if you wish. (For example, if you want a "Peace" and "War" tab, with different information or sorting.)

 

[Metz]

Please show attitudes towards both nations on the diplomatic play UI, show us the ideologies of generals in the outliner, let us change imports/exports tariffs on the list of goods, and tell us if there's unused capacity in factories/mines when a production method change says it'll raise prices for a good.. Thank you for the construction UI overhaul.

Yes, the tariff direct effects should be more visible and easier to access in the main trading screen. Some of the trade information is a bit hidden, especially the breakdown of what keeps trading from growing.

 

[sundown7]

In the build queue, there was a button mentioned to push a building to the top priority. What about changing the build order by dragging and dropping the list items via mouse, like in HOI4? I find myself changing the build order all the time, and that would be super helpful and much more comfortable than pressing the buttons.

 

[goodcigar]

Those all look great. I love updates like these.

 

[Max_Romanov]

Needs as columns in a second “page” in the spreadsheet.

Suggestion / Question
Can we disable or sort the data columns?
For example, I would like to compare Standard of Living and Needs on the same page.
I don't always need data on nationality or faith.

 

[Wizzington]

Another addition that I meant to post yesterday: Consolidated Military Formation mapmarkers should now also be making it into 1.6! It combines all formations from Allies/Enemies at the same location into a single box each, with combined/averaged statistics. Clicking a consolidated marker gives you a selection menu for the formations it contains. Your own formations still have one map marker each, so it's easier to order them around.

 

[IsaacCAT]

Another addition that I meant to post yesterday: Consolidated Military Formation mapmarkers should now also be making it into 1.6! It combines all formations from Allies/Enemies at the same location into a single box each, with combined/averaged statistics. Clicking a consolidated marker gives you a selection menu for the formations it contains. Your own formations still have one map marker each, so it's easier to order them around.

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Could we get a central command center for allies so the war leader can set the front orders for all parties?

Also, If I remember well, in one DD it was discussed that borrowing troops while advancing would be an option for the player.

Both options will help with fronts management.

 

[IsaacCAT]

I understand that the game uses averages to show the offense and defence values of armies.

Now that we will have information of even more diverse battalions consolidated in the military formation mapmarkers, can the game display the median offense and defence instead of the average?

For example, in this front we have the following armies:

The average offense for all armies can be calculated as ( 106 x 31 + 96 x 31 + 31 x 34 + 27 * 29 + 27 * 31 + 9 * 30 ) / ( 106 + 96 + 31 + 27 + 27 + 8 ) = 31,21

However if we calculate the median value of all troops present in the front line we obtain 29.

Fronts are populated with armies with different technologies and units and these differences are usually exacerbated with more nations being involved. Even if battles involve the best units available from the pool of shared armies (defence) or the best units in the advancing army, more often than not all battalions will be engaged in battle. This being the case, the averages could give the player an impression of stronger or weaker forces than the median.

A right-skewed army will be less good than the average will imply, while a left-skewed army will be better than the average will show:

For example, in this left-skewed setup for offense, the average offense is 37 but the median is 39. Two thirds of the army will deal 39 or higher damage against enemy units. On the other hand, defence average is 33,3 but the median is only 29.

The average offense/defence of 38/33 is not showing the real picture how this composition will fare in a battle. The player will be better informed with the median values of 39/29 to describe this army capabilities.

 

[LeandroB]

This is looking great and very reminiscing from Vic2, which is great!

 

[Bearjuden]

I have had a lot of issues with Victoria III's UI and UX from the moment it was released, enough-so that I'm restraining myself from going all in on the celebrations. I will confirm my excitement when it's released and when I get to try it. And I strongly hope that even after this the UI team does not rest on their laurels even if it is everything they hope, because there are always further steps you can take to streamline the transfer of information from the game to the player.

But! I will concede there is some very promising stuff in here. So often so far it has seemed like the people who handle V3's UI don't understand what information the player wants to have communicated to them, or don't appreciate that handing information to the player quickly, easily, recognizably, and predictably is essentially their foremost job.

Count me as cautiously optimistic and very excited - arguably the most excited I've been after reading any of Victoria III's 104 DDs so far.

 

[boorkie]

As someone who has played a bit around advanced software programming, you can just use <table></table> to add tables to tooltips. There's a lot of useful information here: https://www.w3schools.com/html/html_tables.asp

do you think Victoria is a webapp running in electron?

 

[GoguRomania]

do you think Victoria is a webapp running in electron?

It is not. But it can be, with enough patience and passion.

 

[adil3tr]

you’ll have a much easier time determining which Professions are a bottleneck for your industrialization efforts.

What do we do with this information to add more qualified people? Build a university?

 

[Oglesby]

For the infamy indicator, I think it should be colour coded, depending on the AI thresholds. White for <25, yellow for <50, and red above 50, or something like that.

I would believe that the icon changes depending on the level as it does in the tab it is currently displayed. I am hoping that hover would indicate the rate of change also (maybe a chart?).

I am worried about the announcement that we will see more tables crammed into more tooltips.

I would say that there are a lot of lists in tooltips that would improve substantially just being able to use tables for formatting and become more readable/understandable. For this alone I like 'tables in tooltips'.

 

[Sbrubbles]

Any chance we can get resonable import/export recommendations? Way too often I look at there "recommendations" and they're all lv 1 with negative productivity

 

[CaesarVincens]

Any chance we can get resonable import/export recommendations? Way too often I look at there "recommendations" and they're all lv 1 with negative productivity

Do you mean the "goods with high X potential"? I always figured it was just looking at cost or relative buy/sell volume in your own market, not actually looking for advantageous deals. Like a good that is expensive in your market has "good import potential" because that will bring the price down, not because someone else is necessarily selling it cheap.

 

[Sbrubbles]

Do you mean the "goods with high X potential"? I always figured it was just looking at cost or relative buy/sell volume in your own market, not actually looking for advantageous deals. Like a good that is expensive in your market has "good import potential" because that will bring the price down, not because someone else is necessarily selling it cheap.

I meant this.

And by unresonable mean this.

Unless you're a tiny tiny country, a lv 1 trade route with negative productivity is BAD. It's a waste of bureocracy and convoys and makes your traders poorer. Any recommentation for these route, no matter your internal price situation, is also bad. Yes, I might have a local surplus or deficit of a good, but it just doesn't matter if the rest of the world has the same or worse imbalance and there's no one who can actually buy/sell what I need.

Sometimes these recommendations work. But way too often looking at them is a waste of time and clicks.

 

[CaesarVincens]

I meant this.
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And by unresonable mean this.

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Unless you're a tiny tiny country, a lv 1 trade route with negative productivity is BAD. It's a waste of bureocracy and convoys and makes your traders poorer. Any recommentation for these route, no matter your internal price situation, is also bad. Yes, I might have a local surplus or deficit of a good, but it just doesn't matter if the rest of the world has the same or worse imbalance and there's no one who can actually buy/sell what I need.

Sometimes these recommendations work. But way too often looking at them is a waste of time and clicks.

Yeah, that's what I thought you meant, forgot the exact game terms. I'm with you 100% on it needing improvement.

 

[Don_Quigleone]

Yeah, that's what I thought you meant, forgot the exact game terms. I'm with you 100% on it needing improvement.

Myself, I'd like to be able to see which goods can be traded between myself and a specific other market. Eg let's say I want Spain in my customs union, to do so you need to increase trade volume. I end up having to click through every good to figure out the 3 or 4 goods that can be traded between us.

 

[Rabid]

I'd never thought of it before but some simple toggles on the trade UI would be absolutely fantastic; the option to automatically remove any goods which can't be traded at a profit, or to only show goods which can be traded profitably with a specific selected country, would remove perhaps 90% of the tedium of setting up trade routes.