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It's Tuesday and time for another dev diary on the latest expansion for Crusader Kings II; Sons of Abraham. The topics of the day are pilgrimages, Judaism and religious events. First off though, for those who read last week's diary, we've changed how the Ash'ari and Mu'tazilite traits are handled a bit. They are now much more significant, because an Ash'ari no longer gives decadence to his dynasty, and the Learning bonus for Mutazilites is correspondingly higher (currently +5).

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Right, so, on the subject of Islam, one thing we were quite happy with in Sword of Islam was the addition of the decision to go on the Hajj, with the little adventure and the special trait you got at the end. Naturally, a lot of people thought we should add a similar thing for Christians, so that is exactly what we have done in Sons of Abraham. Christians get to choose between several different holy places. For example, Catholics can go to Canterbury, Santiago, Cologne, Rome or Jerusalem. During the journey, a regent will be appointed for pilgrim rulers and various adventures will unfold. Going on a pilgrimage costs a bit of money, and there are of course risks, but successful pilgrims will enjoy monthly piety and respect from their brothers and sisters of the faith for the rest of their lives. There could also be some unexpected benefits...

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In the same vein, we have added tons of events dealing with religious life, for Christians especially. Some are complex event chains (for example, there is one inspired by Joan of Arc) and others are simple (e.g. monks cure your illness.) There are events about relics, immoral priests (of most religions), the crusades, etc.

However, the feature in Sons of Abraham that appears to have garnered the most attention is probably the addition of the Jewish religion. Prior to the addition of the 867 start date in The Old Gods, adding Judaism to the game seemed relatively pointless due to the lack of significant Jewish rulers. In 867 though, there is indeed a powerful Jewish state; the Turkic Khazar Khaganate, which we previously represented as being of the Tengri faith, but which was historically well into the process of converting to Judaism at the time. (I think it is plausible enough that they did this in order to counteract foreign interference justified by Muslim and Christian proselytizing. Furthermore, it can be very beneficial for an empire to have a religion of its own as a vehicle for cultural cohesion and dominance.) Now, playing as the Khazars is not easy even in 867, due mostly to their powerful and aggressive neighbors, like the Pechenegs and the Cumans, but there is also a real risk of religious internal strife. In other words, it's a worthy challenge, like playing as the Zoroastrian House of Karen.

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Of course, there is an even tougher challenge available, even for those who do not have The Old Gods; one last Jewish Khazar duke is still clinging on in the Saray region in 1066, vassal to the Cumans. Now, Jewish players have similar goals to strive for as the Zoroastrians; you can try to restore the ancient united kingdom of Israel and Judah, restore the High Priesthood under the Kohen Gadol, and even rebuild the Temple.

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Apart from the Khazar Jews, there are also the Ashkenazim and Sephardim, in the form of learned men and courtiers who can show up in your court. If you run out of money as a non-Jewish ruler, you can also choose to borrow money from Jewish merchants. If you do not want to pay them back, you can actually expel the Jews from the realm (similar to what you can do with the Holy Orders.) You will, however, stop getting the benefits of having remarkably skilled Jewish courtiers to serve in your council, and you and your descendants cannot borrow any more money from their community. Obviously, this is a pretty terrible thing to do, but it does, unfortunately, have several historical precedents.

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I believe that about sums up the features of this little expansion. Next week I'll go through all the stuff we're giving you for free!
 
I think its sad im forced to pick Ash'ari for no Decadence if I ever want to play Muslim but its a step up from what we had before (Pretty much non playble Muslims) so I will take it and enjoy it.
 
Pick Mutazili until your realm is larger than a de jure kingdom. You shouldn't have decadence problems before then.
 
I have a design for a decadence rework, but I don't know if and when we can slot it in. Not for this expansion, sorry.
The saddest news of the day.
 
They weren't large or distinct enough to appear. Having a chance for Ethiopian Jews to appear as courtiers in the area would be good though.
I beg to differ.
They had their own Kingdom, Semien, and their Queen Judith, destroyed the Aksumite Empire.
 
Firstly interesting dev diary! :)
Kingdom of Israel and Judah? so Jewish rulers have 2 special titles for them to make huh? cool, why don't show us these new titles....?

btw great dev diary (again) from you sir hohoho.....

I wonder what impact that decision will have on the Christian kingdom of Jerusalem?
IMHO it shouldn't change much for the Christian crusades, but maybe a create kingdom of Jerusalem decision, if the decision for Israel & Judah would mean a de jure change.
 
I beg to differ.
They had their own Kingdom, Semien, and their Queen Judith, destroyed the Aksumite Empire.
Except "Semien" was basically the size of a barony on the map. Besides, the Ethiopians already tend to get wiped out easily, no need to make them even weaker.
 
I beg to differ.
They had their own Kingdom, Semien, and their Queen Judith, destroyed the Aksumite Empire.

Semien was tiny, and Axum itself is also modelled incorrectly ingame.

Would Christians attack Israel if it was run by Jews? Personally I would have thought that they'd be less bothered by them, assuming the Jews didn't start destroying Mosques and Churches alike.
 
Can someone tell me why Cologne is a Holy Site? :huh:
 
Except "Semien" was basically the size of a barony on the map. Besides, the Ethiopians already tend to get wiped out easily, no need to make them even weaker.
Semien was tiny, and Axum itself is also modelled incorrectly ingame.

Ok, perhaps you are right but I really think there should be some jewish presence in Ethipoia, perhaps as courtiers. After all they were Beta-israels, descendants of one of the ancient jewish tribes. The Khazars were just convertites, who did it for political reasons and thus not true jews in the eyes of other jews.
 
The Mutazilite/Asharite thing really will depend on if you have any influence on the choice of other characters. If you can encourage your family members to be Asharites, then you can really tamp down on decadence. If you can't, then its much less of a boost.

But then, you could always just imprison the ones who aren't...
 
Except "Semien" was basically the size of a barony on the map. Besides, the Ethiopians already tend to get wiped out easily, no need to make them even weaker.

I don't really know, but in the thread that suggested it they were more-or-less county sized. Not to mention that it doesn't have to be 100% accurate. The Jewish Khazar duke in 1066 isn't real either, just a way to make Jews playable for those without TOG. So I'd say: give Abyssinia about 4 more counties, including 2 in de-jure duchy of Semien, and make Ethiopians use petty kingdoms, and bam! We've got ourselves the Kingdom of Semien without making Ethiopians any weaker.
 
I bet that the Ash'ari/Mu'tazilite choice of a character depends, to some extent, on the choice of their guardian...I'm just speculating, but that would make sense, wouldn't it? If that were the case, it'd be pretty easy to control which way your family goes.
 
Would Christians attack Israel if it was run by Jews? Personally I would have thought that they'd be less bothered by them, assuming the Jews didn't start destroying Mosques and Churches alike.

I would assume that Christians are bothered and will seek the destruction (or at least forced conversion) of anyone who doesn't share their beliefs...

More seriously if the pogroms (call them whatever you like) organized by the Christians against the Jews during the middle ages are any indication of their intentions, I don't think they'll be less aggressive with a Jewish state in Jerusalem.
 
I would assume that Christians are bothered and will seek the destruction (or at least forced conversion) of anyone who doesn't share their beliefs...

More seriously if the pogroms (call them whatever you like) organized by the Christians against the Jews during the middle ages are any indication of their intentions, I don't think they'll be less aggressive with a Jewish state in Jerusalem.

With the difference that the most pogroms are from the lower nobility and peasants.