MDS Events: Western Europe

unmerged(7924) · May 25, 2003

The countries which was behind the iron curtain wouldn't dare to join UNE after USSR returns. USSR will get CB's on all those provinces they had (not everything behind "the curtain"thought).
Maybe add some "join USSR" events for some of those countries...

Also, there will be some countries that doesn't join UNE, especially those countries outside of EU. Norway for instance, will probably ally with USSR to prevent an alternate attack from UNE.

Sweden will probably be neutral, right Gath?

Gathenhielm · May 27, 2003

Originally posted by Mormegil
Maybe add some "join USSR" events for some of those countries...

Also, there will be some countries that doesn't join UNE, especially those countries outside of EU. Norway for instance, will probably ally with USSR to prevent an alternate attack from UNE.

Sweden will probably be neutral, right Gath?

which they will turn down? I dont like the idea of joining just because they scared. Soviet needs to make an example first. Estonia is always fun.

Why would UNE attack Norway in the first place. What is so valuable they got? Expect from Lusekoftor off course

You really think we would turn down an opputunity to bash norweigans. We can send a nice little peace force. Still we are neutral and we can occupy Norway at the same time. Perfect!

unmerged(10426) · May 27, 2003

The problem lies in the fact that almost all of non-Russian European will already be in The EU by 2050, if not much earlier - 2020, even.

Some of the suggestions have been particularly wild, if not undramatic, such as The USA installing dictators and Norway allying with The USSR.

unmerged(9563) · May 27, 2003

You know I used to think that too, and I still do in some areas (cough cough USA collapsing cough cough), but I figure if crazy ideas are gonna happen, why not let them be mine.

Gathenhielm · May 27, 2003

Originally posted by Vincent Julien
The problem lies in the fact that almost all of non-Russian European will already be in The EU by 2050, if not much earlier - 2020, even.

Some of the suggestions have been particularly wild, if not undramatic, such as The USA installing dictators and Norway allying with The USSR.

That was our plan before KwangTiger got here. But why not play around a little bit. We are not seriously think that anything of this seriously going to happen.

unmerged(7924) · May 28, 2003

Originally posted by Gathenhielm
Why would UNE attack Norway in the first place. What is so valuable they got? Expect from Lusekoftor off course

Oil? or Money?

Anyway, that potential alliance would be if UNE DoW's Norway, USSR wouldn't like to see them get stronger.

The problem lies in the fact that almost all of non-Russian European will already be in The EU by 2050, if not much earlier - 2020, even.

No, That's not sure. Switzerland is AFAIK not interested in such a thing (You know how long it took till they joined UN). Norway's got money, and doesn't need EU. EU needs Norway. Ukraine is a far too connected with Russia, and I do think they're a litlle "scared", especially if they join the EU. Which I doubt.

Some of the suggestions have been particularly wild, if not undramatic, such as The USA installing dictators and Norway allying with The USSR.

What USA-installed Dictators? I don't know of any... (haven't looked through thought

)

It's not that wild if the US install dictators, especially if USSR has resurrected. We all know what they did to keep communists off the power. Like in the Phillipines, where Marcos (or something), was a dictator for long, with support from the US. Because he was a capitalist...

unmerged(10426) · May 28, 2003

Originally posted by Mormegil
No, That's not sure. Switzerland is AFAIK not interested in such a thing (You know how long it took till they joined UN). Norway's got money, and doesn't need EU. EU needs Norway. Ukraine is a far too connected with Russia, and I do think they're a litlle "scared", especially if they join the EU. Which I doubt.

I said 'most', not all.

Norway and Switzerland are essentialy irrelevant for our purposes, anyway.

And you're way off the mark on The Ukraine bit. Almost all of Eastern Europe has set itself EU membership as an ultimate goal, Ukraine included. Belarus if probably the only exception to this rule.

So the idea that there will be a non-EU Eastern Europe for a revivied Soviet Union to influence by about 2050 is frankly fairly implausible. By 2007 most of Eastern Europe will already be in The EU. Ukraine and Moldavia will probably join in about 2015-20, and then all that will be left is the former Yugoslavia - which will be encircled by The EU anyway.

This is, incidentally, a major concern for Russia, as it's traditional sphere of influence increasingly comes under the auspices of the west through EU and NATO membership.

Originally posted by Mormegil
What USA-installed Dictators? I don't know of any... (haven't looked through thought)

It's not that wild if the US install dictators, especially if USSR has resurrected.

In an unstable some banana republic like Columbia, possibly. In the mature democracies of Western Europe, no.

Incidentally, why the hell would it want to? Turning Western Europe over to autocracy, (even if it could do that) would destroy it's economy and would also increase the risk of Western Europe drifiting into The Soviet camp. A lot of Western Europe is already pissed off with The US, and it isn't a trend that looks set to dimish; if it tried to install dictators in their countries, then they would want The US's blood.

Not to mention thbe fact that Europe is the natural ally of The US.

'Artistic license' is all well and good, but some of these suggestions are beyond the realms of plausibility. You may as well include giant 50-foot creatures from the planet Zog if you aren't going to ground it in some degree of believability.

labalag · May 28, 2003

I think that Norway should join the UNE but if they stay out they could follow a pro-UNE or a pro-USSR or maybe very maybe a pro-USA politic. AFAIK Switzerlans should remain neutral or maybe at a very very late stage join the UNE.

unmerged(7924) · May 29, 2003

I don't think Norway will join UNE, we're not even in EU (thank god

). Even if Norway would've joined, we'd never agreed upon joining UNE. Norwegian nationality is the main reason why Norway is outside EU. We don't want foreigners to control our Economy in any way.

Vincent Julien: UNE won't appear until 2090 or something, and then USSR is already there. Because of USSR the East-european countries (EU or not) doesn't dare joining UNE. Not with a mighty USSR in their backyard. That's the point, not every country in EU joins UNE (Maybe you didn't know that...).

labalag · May 29, 2003

Originally posted by Mormegil
I don't think Norway will join UNE, we're not even in EU (thank god;D). Even if Norway would've joined, we'd never agreed upon joining UNE. Norwegian nationality is the main reason why Norway is outside EU. We don't want foreigners to control our Economy in any way.

wasn't it you didn't agree on fishing? I thought Normwau stayed out of the EU because if they joined they would let others fish on their fishinggrounds. (correct me if I'm wrong)

unmerged(7924) · May 30, 2003

That could be another reason, but the nationalism is the main reason why norwegians didn't vote for EU. The fishing thing is the politicians and firshers reasons I guess.

labalag · Jun 7, 2003

maybe in 100 years when the natiolanism will be gone

unmerged(7924) · Jun 8, 2003

I don't think It'll ever disappear... It has been as strong as now for a 100 years, so why not for another 100...

Even if we joined EU, we would never join UNE... I'm extremely sure of... It's just that making one of the most non-EU european country a member of the UNE would be a little extreme... It would be like Russia enters EU, or NATO...

labalag · Jun 8, 2003

there are actually talks between the NATO and Russia
and Kalingrad (an area between Poland and Lithuania) is going to be a (some kind of) part of the EU

Gathenhielm · Jun 8, 2003

Originally posted by Mormegil

Even if we joined EU, we would never join UNE... I'm extremely sure of... It's just that making one of the most non-EU european country a member of the UNE would be a little extreme... It would be like Russia enters EU, or NATO...

Dont say never, in 90 years, three generations, the attitudes maybe are different.

Morm your sig look funny.

If we gonna discuss UNE I think we need to decide when and how.

I mean it is a difference between a highly centrealisised UNE and a or something more like Switzerland.

unmerged(7924) · Jun 9, 2003

Originally posted by Gathenhielm
Dont say never, in 90 years, three generations, the attitudes maybe are different.

Morm your sig look funny.

If we gonna discuss UNE I think we need to decide when and how.

I mean it is a difference between a highly centrealisised UNE and a or something more like Switzerland.

I know that three generations will live then, but I doubt Norway will join UNE. Then atleast Sweden, GB, etc. should join. It is *wery* unlikely... EU is another matter thought, but I don't think we'll join them either for a while...

Yeah, "Wallachia" is split in two... I dunno why...

You should come Join the RPG BTW

UNE: That's one thing we can discuss at the meeting, whenever it'll be... Or we can open a new thread...

Gathenhielm · Jun 9, 2003

Originally posted by Mormegil
I know that three generations will live then, but I doubt Norway will join UNE. Then atleast Sweden, GB, etc. should join. It is *wery* unlikely... EU is another matter thought, but I don't think we'll join them either for a while...

Yeah, "Wallachia" is split in two... I dunno why...

You should come Join the RPG BTW

UNE: That's one thing we can discuss at the meeting, whenever it'll be... Or we can open a new thread...

Well it is part of the future and maybe we should decide how it should look like before we go in to the details.

Try rewrite maybe...

I thought about when it was still 1419 and I still think it is too much work and I have too little knowledge about the history.

I think we should hae the meating first then the thread. Just to decide some basic things.

unmerged(7924) · Jun 9, 2003

Ok.

I tried to do it... think it's some other reason...

Ok to the rest of the things aswell. Agree the meeting.

Kyran · Jun 15, 2003

Code:

event = {

	id = 14502
	trigger = { 
	monarch = #Chirac# 
	}
	random = no
	country = FRA
	name = "Chirac's Military Reforms"
	desc = "Following years of resentment from the people the government under Chirac ended nuclear testing. He also announced the scaling back of the French military changing it into an all-volunteer force."
	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 1996 }
	offset = 360
	deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 1996 }
	style = 5

	action_a = {
		name = "End Testing and Reform the Army"
		command = { type = stability value = 1 }
		command = { type = domestic which = quality value = 2 }
	}

	action_b = {
		name = "End Testing, But No Reform"
		command = { type = stability value = 1 }
	}
	
	action_c = {
		name = "Reform, But Keep Testing"
		command = { type = domestic which = quality value = 2}
	}
} 

event = {

	id = 14501
	random = no
	country = FRA
	name = "Limited Autonomy in Corsica"
	desc = "In 2001, the Socialist parliament approved of a bill giving the island of Corsica limited autonomy. This was an attempt to end separatist attacks on the island, but actually acted as a catalyst producing more."
	date = { day = 1 month = january year = 2001 }
	offset = 360
	deathdate = { day = 30 month = december year = 2001 }
	style = 5

	action_a = {
		name = "Give Them Limited Autonomy"
		command = { type = province_revoltrisk which =  value = 3 }
		command = { type = domestic which = centralization value = -1 }
	}
}

Kyran · Jun 15, 2003

I'm going to need some political help for the presidential elections cause the only site I have on French History gives little info on them. Only some of the runners and the winners are printed.

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