I'd like to see a Horde/Khanate type of government. Reduced colonization cost, begin with an extra colony slot, etc. I think that would be cool.
Unique governments other than the Hive Mind
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seems like someone forgot about a certain country called Switzerland.
You have no idea what you're talking about. Electronic banking transactions manage to be secure. Somehow they managed, even though it's a lot of money, so there's a lot of temptation for shenanigans. But shenanigans are never common or significant enough to drastically affect the money, and neither votes would be affected. Don't tell me you never handle your money on internet.
Banking transactions, by definition, are not anonymous. The amount of personally identifiable information transmitted is in large part the reason for the security.
The core tenet of any democratic system is voter anonymity. The entire democratic/free world has secret ballots, or rather it tries to. It's quite difficult to maintain the secret ballot and have an electronically identifiable/traceable voting system. Brazil is a good example of the general failure of large population, widespread electronic voting systems.
Somebody could theoretically look into them, but nobody is actually giggling at you purchasing pornsite premium account. It's just relatively minor adjustments to be made.
It already exists in a functional form. Most ballots are slotted into electronic counting machines.
Being able to vote over the Internet, or any other open computer network, is asking for electoral fraud and voter intimidation to become commonplace. When votes are done electronically they're done on physically segregated networks that require you get up and go to a poll station. In that case, they're literally just paper ballots with bubble filling done by touchscreen instead of pen.
Voting networks are second to maybe military computer networks in terms of national security for democratic states. Even these physically secure networks are vulnerable to attacks by manipulation of access points (voters use cards to use EBM) to get through the security on the voting machines. Someone in a ballot with a modified vote card could cast a few hundred votes in a couple minutes completely anonymously. It's happened in real life. Imagine if that person could do it from a continent away by using GSM or Internet connections.
There is no practical way to make instant point-of-user voting work, short of magic, or by making the ballots so meaningless that the higher risk of fraud carries few consequences. Stuff like mayor or city council elections for small towns, or whether or not the binmen should be privatized, &c.
Otherwise it's a matter of time before foreign agents compromise the voting system.
Switzerland has secret ballots.
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You fail to realize that most of 'democratic' elections have your name on the voting card in a vast majority of cases, eliminating the whole 'anonymous' thing. Besides, any anonymous voting is only needed in flawed societies with widespread prejudices and a possibility to be threatened (such as our own). In my opinion, democracy actually can ONLY be what it claims to be in a Hivemind system, as all people are equally important in the collective consciousness (mostly), every opinion is considered, everyone can understand each other since any misinterpretations are physically impossible and thus everyone is a part of one, perfectly harmonious society which has both egalitarity and order. Utopia(tm).
The Referendum uses oldshool Voting. Spontanoues Voting does not scales so well. Wich is why we only do it every 2-4 years.
Yes, and you do not put your VOTING CARD into the Balot Box. You put a unmarked piece of paper that you got for your Voting Card into the Box.
Seriously, just watch the damn movie I linked. It is Computerphile, they know the precise limits of the Computer Systems. Watch thier Videos on SQL Injections, Crossside Scripting or the Steam Christmas bug if you are uncertain to believe them,
All my ballots have been anonymous. My voter ID is kept on my person for the people at the polling station to know that I'm a legitimate voter/citizen, not for purposes of identifying which party or candidate I've voted for (although they can also do this). I'm not sure what country you are from, but in my country we perform votes in closed booths without observation. We then put our ballots into an electronic counting machine after leaving the booth, so that for most casual attempts at observing votes is foiled and confidentiality is retained. Every democracy, even ones which do not have secret ballots enshrined in their most fundamental laws, attempts to do this.
Anyway, prejudices and possibility of intimidation are innate to the human condition as much as funerals and religion, so I'm not sure what you're rambling about in the rest of the post. I was just saying that maintaining confidentiality and preventing vote tampering over open Internet is probably impossible. The latter is a bigger issue than the former as certain real-life trends indicate.
Ugh... You do realize that it's not anonymous? Or that in many countries this can and is being abused to actually find out who's voting for what? Or rather, I guess you don't...
If it was not secret it would lierally not be a Ballot.
I have no idea what you are talking about, but it is obviously not a proper Ballot System.
Between them being pre-printed without any identification markers (and without tracking who got wich paper) there is no realistic way to track who voted for whom on the nessesary scales.
If you are still convinced, please explain to me how somebody is going to figure who I voted for if my balot paper looks like this:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/Bundestagswahl_05_stimmzett.jpg
Even if there WERE secret unique markers on the paper, they would also have to track wich balot paper was handed to me personally.
And I see the checklist they are using to track who cast thier vote.
Then you live in a broken democracy or you simply are ignorant of what a secret ballot actually is.
All modern, functional democracies have secret ballots. Maybe Russia doesn't, but UK, USA, Denmark, Sweden, Switzerland, etc. do. Just because there is personally identifiable information present with the ballot doesn't mean the ballot isn't secret. If, at the end of polling day, you cannot reliably identify a voter with their choices, then the ballot's secrecy is retained. To varying degrees this can be done: for example in Sweden you vote based on a pre-determined party list, which somewhat compromises voter secrecy. Some American states have party affiliation on the voter identification card, &c. &c.
Dysfunctional voting systems break this rather important tenet of democracy completely, which opens them to interference from malicious domestic and foreign agents AKA people who buy votes from the poor, or intimidate voters into not voting, or stuff ballots to influence policies, etc. etc.
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The guy has no idea, top it all off he's arguing against his own interests. Every major site on the internet, regardless if it's in the West or China is constantly being attacked by hackers, viruses, and other cyber threats. The internet has grown to be a very resilient system. Direct democracy is certainly possible years ago, let alone today.
It is possible if you're willing to foot the bill for a physically segregated network of voting machines to prevent intrusion without physical access.
Getting physical access to voting machines isn't hard if you have a huge network, though. It's not even hard today.
I think everyone is hoping that the current system will sort of function this way. Right now the difference between governments is election/no-election and bonuses. I guess we'll find out tomorrow if the various government types are going to get their own game mechanics or if Hive Mind will be the outlier. For example, under a monarchy you should be able to declare anything you want really, maybe at the cost of unrest, whereas democracies require government motions to pass a vote.
@Arkangilos - It could make for an interesting intermediate government type. For planets that rebel violently, for example, their initial government could be anarchy until they achieve stability. All anarchy ends in government, after all. Would it be a worthwhile addition? That is harder to say.
@Arkangilos - It could make for an interesting intermediate government type. For planets that rebel violently, for example, their initial government could be anarchy until they achieve stability. All anarchy ends in government, after all. Would it be a worthwhile addition? That is harder to say.
I'm not saying route it through the youtube servers. Its own infrastructure would have to be built. But we have the knowledge and people for that today. It's not an FTL drive.
I just hope HMs have loads of goofy starting event chains. I don't want to have to random search for space probes or space temples.
For game purposes, would a hive mind human using the same portrait and name as humans still be considered human? Or are species sorted by traits, too?
But therein lies the problem.
It would cost millions of dollars and be vulnerable to attack. You would require miles and miles of fences and security to protect the network from physical exploitation. You might even need Ballot Police who would be charged with defending the vote network from intrusion. All of that comes at the cost of being much more vulnerable than having a bunch of fairly segregated and small polling stations who, individually, are not very important to the outcome.
You can sabotage a voting machine or series of them. It's not a big deal because the voting machines are only networked in a single polling station though. A single warehouse serves a handful of stations, which means you're only getting a couple thousand or tens of thousands of votes. It's not a big deal because the networks are isolated, you'd need to coordinate a humongous campaign to attack the entire system because it's so segregated. The opposite would be true with a huge interconnected voting network. Compromising a single machine leads to being able to compromise the entire voting network, or at least a big chunk of it.
It would make an interesting story I suppose, but it's far from practical in real life where resources are limited.
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