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Rommel22 said:
It's ridicilous that people argue over this AAR, it's just fiction, not real, it's all made up. So if it's totallty different from the real thing, DUH, it's suppose to be.

I think you do Yogi's work a grave disservice. He's put a lot of effort into making this as realistic as possible within the constraints of his narrative. It's supposed to be simultaneously different and the same, fantastic yet plausible. Debate over what Yogi writes is the best sign he's doing it well- nobody debates the realism of somebody's attempts to conquer as much land as possible with country X, but people get genuinely interested in a finely crafted alternative history like this one.
 
I wonder how the British feel about the Communists having such a large submarine fleet. After all, Britain depends on overseas imports far more than Germany does.
 
If people starting debating the AAR, your on asure fire winner.
 
Wowsers. Update! :)
 
don't get me wrong, love his work. It's awesome, his story is very in depth, but some people take it way to serious, imo. It seems the debates get a little heated.

But no matter, I will still read it. Keep it up Yogi.
 
I've just noted that Ireland doesn't exist on the map on the first page. This shows how observant I am.

Also, I'm interested to see if Nazism (The Nazism that we know, not Thorez et al.) forms here. Or at least, some variant of it. Of course, if it does, it's not going to be anywhere near as successful or popular as it was in OTL. Still, with the world downturn and Communism much more rampant than in reality, the radical right in Germany (Austria as well, come to that. Even more so than Germany, considering how dire Austria's position is.) is going to have plenty to feed itself.

I'd expect by 1936 plenty of Austrians are really pissed at the government, and their response to the 'red slavs', and things are getting fairly heated.
 
Vincent Julien said:
I've just noted that Ireland doesn't exist on the map on the first page. This shows how observant I am.

Also, I'm interested to see if Nazism (The Nazism that we know, not Thorez et al.) forms here. Or at least, some variant of it. Of course, if it does, it's not going to be anywhere near as successful or popular as it was in OTL. Still, with the world downturn and Communism much more rampant than in reality, the radical right in Germany (Austria as well, come to that. Even more so than Germany, considering how dire Austria's position is.) is going to have plenty to feed itself.

I'd expect by 1936 plenty of Austrians are really pissed at the government, and their response to the 'red slavs', and things are getting fairly heated.


oh, I am fairly sure there would be some kind of national socialists in germany, but the presence of a strong authority (unlike the weimar time) would counter that pretty well...
 
Since the days of Bismarck's resignation, there has always been a right fringe opposition in German politics. They evolved over time, and in WW1 all sorts of ideas took shape that had previously not been formulated all that well... for example the question of how a victorious Germany should exert its hegemony over eastern Europe, or what role ethical considerations towards other nations could have on the policy of the state in a total war environment (consensus in 1916: none at all). The glorification of the pagan Germanic past had been a lively trend in German nationalist historiography since the mid-1800's, and it didn't take much to brew the Volkish-racist-neo-pagan Nazi mythology out of these ingredients.

So while the right fringe opposition may not have all that much influence in Germany, it might become very influential among the German Austrians. In places like Bohemia, where tensions between Germans and Czechs have been severe since the turn of the century, it might get really ugly once the war reaches those parts.

Hitler might be a factor in Austrian politics. In OTL he went to Germany to dodge the draft, and the Austrian authorities sent him a very stern letter, but he smooth-talked his way out of that IIRC right before the war. I could imagine him as a sort of wandering demagogue, touring the towns along the Bohemian-Bavarian border and making hate speeches to incite the Sudeten Germans against the government and the Czechs. Once the fighting reaches those parts, he might even become a paramilitary leader and do some ethnic cleansing on his own... kinda like those exterminationist militias in the 1990's Balkan wars... Tadic, Seselj, Rajic, "Arkan"... you know, like it always happens in places where people think the government is way too lenient and decide to take matters into their own hands.
 
Karl Martell said:
Once the fighting reaches those parts, he might even become a paramilitary leader and do some ethnic cleansing on his own...

IMHO it's not in AH's character to do something like that. He would never get his own hands dirty. The circumstances that made him Führer was very special indeed. Some likelier scenarios would be: a leader of nationalist party in Austria or Bavaria, an artist or the city/village weirdo.
 
Or even the city/village weirdo who paints his way to leadership of the nationalist party. :D

Who's to say that he won't get his own hands dirty, but have some Himmler/Heydrich type folks along for the ride to do it for him? He'd still be clean-handed, but he could still be into the ethnic cleansing--though I doubt any of that will happen, what with the forum rules and such...
 
I doubt that he'll stay in Austria. Let's not forget that he hated much about it. If he does become politically involved, he'll almost certainly be arguing from within Germany. Of course, it depends on whether or not the Austrian authorities decide to pursue him or not after the war.

I'm not even sure that without defeat in the war, Hitler would ever have really enetered politics, at least in the way he did. Principally, he'd wish to stay with the German army as long as he could.

I wouldn't rule it out that he could become a force to be reckoned with in the radical right, though.

*shurgs.*
 
cthulhu said:
IMHO it's not in AH's character to do something like that. He would never get his own hands dirty. The circumstances that made him Führer was very special indeed. Some likelier scenarios would be: a leader of nationalist party in Austria or Bavaria, an artist or the city/village weirdo.

I don't know. Let's remember that Hitler earned an iron cross in the 1st world war. I could definitely see him as a leader of a paramilitary force.
 
Vincent Julien said:
I doubt that he'll stay in Austria. Let's not forget that he hated much about it. If he does become politically involved, he'll almost certainly be arguing from within Germany. Of course, it depends on whether or not the Austrian authorities decide to pursue him or not after the war.

I'm not even sure that without defeat in the war, Hitler would ever have really enetered politics, at least in the way he did. Principally, he'd wish to stay with the German army as long as he could.

I wouldn't rule it out that he could become a force to be reckoned with in the radical right, though.

*shurgs.*
He didn't have much in the way of military qualities, so I doubt he'd stay in the army all that long... *g* it's true that even a complete dimwit will eventually get promoted past corporal, but in the case of Hitler that would likely not happen too soon... methinks. (If he can't get the promotion in four years of war, with an iron cross, he won't get it in peace time either.) So I could see him leaving the army before soon. Of course he could also have been killed by a French artillery shell in his very first day at the front, in 1914... :) I still think it would be cool if he got a cameo appearance, even only as a leather pants wearing demoagogue qith a funny mustache, speaking to small crowds at beer gardens.
 
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The Austro-Hungarian Revolutions


Chapter I – A meeting in the Carpathians

September, 1935


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Nestor Makhno watched the fluttering red banner of the Hungarian Union of Soviets as it unfurled in the evening breeze. Finding their way down through the dark clouds and even darker pine branches, a few crimson rays from the setting sun bathed the Red Army camp it flew over in a lurid glow. The dying hours of the day, in the dying days of the Empire, Makhno thought with a mixture of sadness and satisfaction.

The camp was on a heavily wooded Carpathian hillside, where the prying eyes of Imperial observation airships weren’t likely to spot it. The men marching about in grey-green squares were unmistakeably soldiers – how different from how an anarchist outfit would have looked, at least in the old days. Back then, uniforms were anathema, the attribute of the oppressors; military, police, the tools of the state. These days, the Platform Anarchism Makhno had postulated and promoted, despite fierce criticism, had militias in uniform. They didn’t have officers though. Three straight defeats (Russia, France, and Romania) against Communist bureaucracy hadn’t been enough to make them cross THAT line. His long thick hair might have been greying, his wrinkled face might have told the story of a life of fighting for an impossible dream, having to face disappointment and bitter defeat time and again – but in the depths of those narrow dark eyes, the old fire still flamed as hot as ever. He could still fight. Men still jumped at his commands. Yet even as a military leader in time of war, he was wearing a mismatched assortment of military clothes, less flamboyant than old Schtuss but still completely unmistakable for a uniform. At least he hadn’t had to make THAT compromise for himself.

‘Privilege of rank, I guess’, he thought and smiled at himself for the incongruence. With a frown, he adjusted the Steyr submachine gun hanging from his shoulder and his trademark cavalry sabre. He was here to meet an allied leader – he wanted to look impressive. One of the Hungarian Red Army soldiers – an ethnic Romanian, like most of them – came closer, marching through the snow with a step that would have made a Prussian drill sergeant proud. A soldier of the people, indeed, Makhno thought with an inner sneer as the man saluted him, military fashion. The Ukrainian Zapata just nodded in response.

‘Comrade Makhno, Field Marshal Kun will see you now!’

‘Field Marshal is it? Tell me, is this the same Bela Kun who was Secretary General of the Communist Party last week? His must be the fastest military career in history!'

The soldier pursed his lips. ‘The Secretary General also serves as our Commander in Chief. It is only logical that he should have supreme rank.'

Makhno nodded. ‘I guess so. Just like Comrade Generalissimo Trotsky, heh?’

Soon Makhno stood inside the largest of the tents in the camp. The place was dark, smelling faintly of wet earth, rotting leaves and mould. Probably a leftover from the Great War, rotting away in some Romanian warehouse until it was brought out for the latest glorious revolution planned by Leon Trotsky.

Bela Kun looked as out of place in the tent as the ornate Field Marshall’s uniform did on him. He would have been most fitting behind the desk in a store, or in an office. No, that was not right – as he approached his guest, Makhno got a good look at his eyes. Hatred, anger, thirst for power, these things shone as hotly in Bela Kun’s eyes as the thirst for freedom flamed in his own. He would have scared any customer right out of his shop.

‘Comrade Makhno! So good of you to grace us with your presence! Your trip was uneventful, I take it?’

The falseness of the welcome was obvious, and yet Makhno forced himself to shake the little bastard’s hand. ‘I wouldn’t say uneventful. I had to dodge Imperial border patrols to get here, but I’m very good at that kind of thing. Now, I’m assuming from the look of things that you’re ready to launch the revolution now?’

‘We are! As soon as your people rise in rebellion against the Imperialist oppressors, the divisions of the Revolutionary Peoples armies of Soviet Hungary, the North Slavic Peoples Republic and the South Slavic Peoples Republic stand ready to descend from the mountains and chase out the Austrians!’

‘By “Peoples Armies”, you refer to all those Romanians you have marching around in fancy uniforms?’ Makhno said softly.

‘So they are ethnic Romanians – so what?’ Bela Kun exclaimed with a theatrical opening of the arms. ‘There are plenty of Romanians on the Imperial side of the border… just have a look at this map!’​


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Makhno looked. ‘Uh-hu. Let me guess – the South Slavic Peoples Army is composed of Serbian exiles. Don’t you people know how to make a REVOLUTION any more, rather than a camouflaged invasion?’

The Hungarian shrugged. ‘Well, the North Slavic Peoples Army only has a minority of Russian volunteers, I’m told. Mostly bona fide Poles, Czech’s and Slovaks, but really what difference does it make? Aren't your people mainly Ruthenians - sorry, Ukrainians? Besides, I thought making the populace rise was your job?’

Makhno sighed. ‘Well, I guess I do have a flair for that – and never fear, we anarchists have done our job well. When your invasion begins, you’ll find libertarian fighters greeting your troops as they arrive. I doubt you’ll catch an Austrian soldier before Budapest. These people were so fed up with their corrupt Monarchy that a little bit of education was all that was needed to make them rise.’

He briefly wondered why the Communists had spent so little time educating and politicising the people. This time he would have ten anarchist rebels for each Communist soldier – he almost anticipated their inevitable attempt to push the anarchists aside. This time, they would encounter a well organized anarchist militia, ready to defend the true revolution of the people.

First of course, there was the little matter of defeating an Empire that had stood, in one form or another, for the last thousand years or so. But that should be the easy part, the fun part. The real decisive fight, as always, would begin once revolution had triumphed.

Makhno stroked the handle of his sabre in anticipation.​
 
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Awesome.

Also, three months to go until you have to actually play the game. :D
 
ptan54:Hungary is part of the double Monarchy, Austria Hungary, so not really. Russia is lurking in the Shadows so far...

Zuckergußgebäck: No Swedish Empire, but at least Sweden has a big ass Baltic Fleet sporting several ex-Russian Gangut class Battleships. That is something.:) And thanks!

Evil Captialist: Havoc!

HoChiMinh:I do hope so.

Machiavellian:Britain is only formally allied with the Commonwealth countries. Like so often before, she tries to keep her options open. They probably are more happy than worried about German might, given the Red threat. To paraphrase Chamberlain(?). "Thank God for the German Army!"

Lord Robertus, Zephyr 3, Jimmy:Come on guys, give me SOME credit - I'm playing them! :) Although I HAVE stacked the field against me, that's for sure...

archangel85: That's the spirit!

poppy7143: a blaze coming up just for you!

Evans: Well, I was just coming to that. :)

Sir Humphrey, Virgiltchiken, Dhatori: Wait no more.

constantineXI: Well, I will certainly try.

elbasto: Modified it significantly. Super-heavy tank is now the last type of heavy tank brigade. The original SHA slot is now infantry(CS) tank. Some land doctrines are now pre-requisites for building armored divisions (only France and Russia have those doctrines from start. Also changed the setup.

FlyingCanOpener: Yeah, so would I...

Neroon:Thanks for the advice, I took you up on it. They're dirt cheap anyway, so I set up four paralell lines of 1934-class destroyers from day 1.

anonymous4401:Hasn't your semi-lobster told you what the future has in store? And thanks!

Morpheus506:I hope you're right!

Karl Martell, Neroon:The German leadership style (objective-oriented leadership) was uniqe for them. Democratic France and Britain had nearly as top-downish armies as the Russkies. It's a Kraut thing, not an ideology thing at this time in history. :)

Rommel22, invertigo2004, Evil Capitalist, Sir Humphrey:I like the debates. They give me material to think about and help me avoid pitfalls in advance. Debate on!

Faelin:They're outright horrified, would be my guess.

Vincent Julien, Archangel85, Karl Martell,cthulhu, Morpheus506, Faelin: Well, you'll see. I can say that he didn't die in WW1 and still has full Prussian ("Kaiser Bill") moustache, since cutting it was apparently a show of grief over Versailles...

anonymous:yeah! Another reprieve (I'm actually playing it now, but it begun in mid-war, so...)
 
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Karl Martell said:
He didn't have much in the way of military qualities,

Actually, he did a bit. Obedient, courageous, etc. And he loved the army. Unless he was forced to demob (Quite likely.) I can't really see any reason why he'd leave.

Karl Martell said:
I still think it would be cool if he got a cameo appearance, even only as a leather pants wearing demoagogue qith a funny mustache, speaking to small crowds at beer gardens.

Indeed. :)
 
That was so utterly cool! I wonder who will come out on top?