Redo the Council of Trent

[MachopPower69]

I'm pretty sure everyone knows how awful the CoTrent is in Emperor. Losing allies because you are catholic and catholics have a -80 relations penalty, how it is permanent and the concillory/harsh voting is useless.

How we could rework it is these three changes:

1. The reduction in relations only affect those in the Christian religion group. The Council was for only protestants and reformed christians, not for Confucians or Hindus. Because of this, you can't get a good alliance unless you are not catholic if you want non-catholic allies. And it won't help if you have non-catholic vassals as integration could be impossible.

2. Have the council end after the Age of Reformation. This may not be realistic, but as time went on to modern times, religion became less of an issue during the Absolutism and Revolution as it was more about power and not faith. In fact, during the French revolution, catholicism was frowned upon by the revolutionaries.

3. The voting system is useless as it is only the curia who can vote on the treatments. Perhaps there could be more than one council every two years to vote on a treatment and whatever is successful is cheaper for the curia to implement as the system can cost papal money in the curia. This makes things more fair and less "voting on who gets more air to breathe".

 

[PurpulaPhoenixum53]

3. The voting system is useless as it is only the curia who can vote on the treatments. Perhaps there could be more than one council every two years to vote on a treatment and whatever is successful is cheaper for the curia to implement as the system can cost papal money in the curia. This makes things more fair and less "voting on who gets more air to breathe".

I've brought this issue up before. The voting system for the Council of Trent is completely broken, it allows the Papal Control to ignore the will of the Cardinals, and thus negating the need for them in the first place. The system I've proposed is that the Papal control can spend money from the Papal Treasury to "convince" Cardinals to switch sides on each issue. An issue would be passed when 2/3s of the Cardinals are backing it.

2. Have the council end after the Age of Reformation. This may not be realistic, but as time went on to modern times, religion became less of an issue during the Absolutism and Revolution as it was more about power and not faith. In fact, during the French revolution, catholicism was frowned upon by the revolutionaries.

The Council of Trent IRL lased about 25 years, so it should be relatively quick. Meaning the only reasons the council should end before the issues are passed is if there are no more Catholic nations or Trent of Rome themselves are occupied. That being said, the council was indeed called for faith, not power. The objective of the council was to clarify and denounce the growing Protestant Reformation. To that end at the start, Protestants were intially invited, something I think should modelled by having the nations with Centers of Reformation getting an invite, if they agree, they vote on issues (they would get 3 Cardinals each). The Emperor would also have a say and would get an event to protest their inclusion.

1. The reduction in relations only affect those in the Christian religion group. The Council was for only protestants and reformed christians, not for Confucians or Hindus. Because of this, you can't get a good alliance unless you are not catholic if you want non-catholic allies. And it won't help if you have non-catholic vassals as integration could be impossible.

Agreed. It should only apply to heathens OR heretics, not both.

 

[CardinalRain]

I personally think it (Council of Trent) needs more events and benefits, as well as the Catholic Faith as a whole.

 

[almoravid]

Council of Trent is obviously broken and it's kind of hard to come up with a quick fix, but having its effects stop at the Age of Revolutions at least would improve the whole thing tremendously, and/or have the Statute of Restraint of Appeals cancel the effects for individual countries.