Neoliberalism just hides it behind the IMF etc. There is also the entire history of US interventions abroad.
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I believe in the the theory of economics. That doesn't necessarily believe I am a right winger. Like I believe, that the marginal theory that workers would only get a small chunk of profits. But I don't believe that just because it is natural that it is necessarily right. I think the government should interfene to improve outcomes for the majority.Well, we can break a little bread on agreeing on this point. How this confirms neoliberal economics however, I don't know. And of course, the Chinese worker toiling away 80/h a week in an American factory isn't in that instance being exploited by the Chinese state but by the American company who moved operations there specifically because they know the Chinese can be thus thaken advantage of.
You might also be the first neo-liberal I have encountered who admits that the decrease in inequality between the developed and the developing countries isn't simply due to the increase in living standards of developing nation workers, but also the decline of the developed nation workers. So, respect for that.
. You're such a common sense parrot.
Someone should give this man a talk about the realities capitalist imperialism
like a boomer "muh commies infecting the game"
true. everyone disagreeing with this doesnt understand basic economics.Most economists now believe wages are alotted by the marginal theory of value. This is a pretty standard belief among economists despite pseudoscientific beliefs among a vocal minority. Vicky 2 unfortunately uses a labor theory of value which is probably easier to code. I believe that an easy way to correct is that the wages take into account how rare the pop type currently is. Rare pop types should get a larger cut of the wages.
Eh, European welfare states maintain those policies by way of imperialism. And while not all those countries are significantly involved in the economic exploitation of the Global South, they certainly are within the eastern states of the EU. As if the failures of the post-'89 'shock therapy' weren't enough, now you are likewise forced to allow the unlimited free movement of labor and of commodities. Good luck solving the 'Europe at two paces' when your country suffers from brain drain (which you no less finance through subsidized higher education which imposes no obligations on its beneficiaries to repay through either labor or money before they decide to emigrate), your industries were either scrapped or purchased by foreign capitalists since they are (for the most part) the only ones with both the capital and the technical knowhow necessary to modernize and make them competitive on the European market and your rural dwellers revert to subsistence farming since most collective farms weren't successfully maintained in the transition to capitalism and the individual peasants cannot afford to compete in commodity production with industrial farms due to inefficient labor, less capital to both sustain and expand such a business and draconic legislation which makes it near impossible to get your products in supermarket chains.You know hardcore libertarians are having it harder and harder when you see that the only way they can defend their ideas is by pretending that the only alternative to their dystopian version of capitalism is literal stalinism, please ignore any and all European welfare state. You know that when you give the government the power to give you basic access to affordable healthcare that paves the way for despotism. It's much better when people are left unable to afford healthcare and never bother to check their health because it would bankrupt them.
Yup. This thread, and moreover some of the responses to my previous posts, actually awe me as to how many people are ready and willing to not only defend the idea that people have the right to say what is better for everyone else, but also to undergo lamentable sophisms to that effect.dang, reading through this thread, im surprised at the amount of actual marxists that exist on this forums. I didn't think people still held onto discredited economic theory from two centuries ago.
to the Marxists: No, the game doesn't have to stroke Marxism's ego. It can represent other theories of value.
You have plenty of people buying into neoliberalism too, meaning they're in good company apparently.dang, reading through this thread, im surprised at the amount of actual marxists that exist on this forums. I didn't think people still held onto discredited economic theory from two centuries ago.
You have plenty of people buying into neoliberalism too, meaning they're in good company apparently.
Literally, neoliberals did this, what do you think Pinochet was doing?Those damn "neoliberals", always ready to setup a state police department to force everybody to think like them, unlike other more humane lines of thinking.
I was talking about people holding over discredited economic theories, but I was sure you would have thrown yourself into some reference to Soviet Russia in one way or another.Those damn "neoliberals", always ready to setup a state police department to force everybody to think like them, unlike other more humane lines of thinking.
Go (nonproverbially of course) ask milton friedman if that asshole pinochet was a liberal.Literally, neoliberals did this, what do you think Pinochet was doing?
Go ask the Chicago Boys (who Friedman educated) that set up his economy if they were liberal.Go (nonproverbially of course) ask milton friedman if that asshole pinochet was a liberal.
I'm sure that repeating the strawman ad nauseam will convince someone someday. Anything to keep that terrifying government of yours at bay.
A good point if ever one was made ever since this thread started. But this is politics, apparently anti-trumpian (who is also a jerk in lenin-levels if you ask me btw) whilst friedman always said he was nonpartisan, and critical of ALL governmet. In fact me being not american I have no beef here.Go ask the Chicago Boys (who Friedman educated) that set up his economy if they were liberal.
No, there is obviously a frightening amount of people like you, especially in North America for some reason.Yes I am the only one thinking with my stomach, obviously.