I think no. Maoism? That's a peasant ideology. M-L is far better (M-L, not the weak Luxemburgism). Moreover, if Luxemburg disdains M-L we could simply withdrew our support to her.
I knew Rosa couldn't bring nothing good...
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I think no. Maoism? That's a peasant ideology. M-L is far better (M-L, not the weak Luxemburgism). Moreover, if Luxemburg disdains M-L we could simply withdrew our support to her.
I knew Rosa couldn't bring nothing good...
Nice to see that Rosa saw reason in this, hopefully the coalition will work and the marxists will be tied together stronger by the pressure from the non-workers and right-wingers.
Sure, I support the peasants if they get radical enough. Especially if they ally with angry Marxists.
They might forget Sorel soon since he won't be able to help them, and the Marxist government won't do anything for them anyway.I support uber radicalism, no matter in what form it comes in because that's most fun.
And with Lenin out the possibility of a united Marxist faction has returned. Will not make the fringe nuts happy, but that's ok, since I like the fringe nuts.
What's all this talk about Lenin being out and gone? Just because you'd want it doesn't mean it's so.
Sure, I support the peasants if they get radical enough. Especially if they ally with angry Marxists.
I support uber radicalism, no matter in what form it comes in because that's most fun.
And with Lenin out the possibility of a united Marxist faction has returned. Will not make the fringe nuts happy, but that's ok, since I like the fringe nuts.
With Lenin out it would be time for Trostky... Or Stalin.
Trotskyism could be nice. But Stalinism would be very interesting. Of course I almost hope for National Syndicalism too, to get Mussolini into the picture.
Trotsky would indeed be awesome to see in the VSVR. Stalin, on the other hand, would be a wasted entry I feel. I doubt people would vote for a Stalinist faction, considering the connotations the ideology carries.
And Lenin isn't out yet. I'd say he'll die before he retires.
Every time a new religion arises, it is revolutionary in contrast to some older ones. Our new religion, this so called socialism, will sooner or later be replaced by some more revolutionary thought.
It is natural that after enough time anarchy prevails and a new order rises. Our new rulers are counterrevolutionary, even if we do not want to believe it.
Can Marxism allow the farmers to choose their own fates, or is that just nice propaganda?
They dream of being allowed to work on their own land, using their own equipments in order to get products for their own needs.
The state has no rights to steal away their harvests.
Realpolitik? Beat the weak? Kill and steal?
Democracy?
Real democracy does not require representatives. Party itself is not a democratic organization.
May I ask a question, how wise it is to have that 8hour law during harvesting time?
Dear Comrade i ask you for the survival or revollution to be logical...
- Every religion was used to oppress the masses , every religion stood against our beloved revollution, even christianism. Socialism isn't a religion, Its a political System which favourites atheism , cause both are made following the materialistic path. Why our rulers are counter-revollutionary? why then did you participated in the revollution ?
- Land belongs to the state, not a capitalist state, not a fascist state , a SOCIALIST state... If farmers are allowed to use their equiptment just to satisfy their own needs , well...that would lead to millions of deads, not everybody know how to be a farmer , many citizens live in cities... what about the working class? aren't they part of your "anarchic dream" ? Never the State stole their harvests , we took a share from them to feed the rest of the population...or we should better leave the farmers to sell their harvests to capitalists ?
- Yes , RealPolitik , we cannot sit when our brothers are oppressed in the capitalist states,but we cannot afford a world war, cause that would put in great danger the first socialist state in world.... we should take chances as they come.
- Then why you anarchics participate in the party , in the elections and even ask from the people to vote for you ? why don't you call them to revolt against the state ? afraid they won't follow you ?
- 8h is enough
- Every religion was used to oppress the masses , every religion stood against our beloved revollution, even christianism. Socialism isn't a religion, Its a political System which favourites atheism , cause both are made following the materialistic path. Why our rulers are counter-revollutionary? why then did you participated in the revollution ?
- Land belongs to the state, not a capitalist state, not a fascist state , a SOCIALIST state... If farmers are allowed to use their equiptment just to satisfy their own needs , well...that would lead to millions of deads, not everybody know how to be a farmer , many citizens live in cities... what about the working class? aren't they part of your "anarchic dream" ? Never the State stole their harvests , we took a share from them to feed the rest of the population...or we should better leave the farmers to sell their harvests to capitalists ?
- Yes , RealPolitik , we cannot sit when our brothers are oppressed in the capitalist states,but we cannot afford a world war, cause that would put in great danger the first socialist state in world.... we should take chances as they come.
- Then why you anarchics participate in the party , in the elections and even ask from the people to vote for you ? why don't you call them to revolt against the state ? afraid they won't follow you ?
- 8h is enough
Brothers! Our great Republic has been infiltrated on all sides! Do not be fulled by the so-called Marxist coalition. The Speaker and Chairmen are Conspirators! We have handed over our very essence for contamination by the Mad Capitalist! We must stand up in arms together before it is to late.. We must reverse the course... Not one more step! For the Rhineland!
All True German Communists must rally together under a new banner to fight this phantom menace. We need a new faction dedicated to reversing the trend! Raise your voices for True German Values, centralisation, an end to the capitalist infection, and further solidification of the ideals of the State!
All True German Communists must rally together under a new banner to fight this phantom menace. We need a new faction dedicated to reversing the trend! Raise your voices for True German Values, centralisation, an end to the capitalist infection, and further solidification of the ideals of the State!
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"German"? Nationalism is the hallmark of a bourgeois fiend! We are no German republic, but an international socialist one. It is you who is the reactionary!
And what evidence have you that the Marxists, followers of Marx's original ideology, are "Capitalist infiltrators"? Or is it simply, as I suspect, a cry of jealousy over the victory of the true cause?
Oh I'd support a crazy radicalized faction. Bur what do you mean by German values? Sounds capitalist to me. Workers have Socialist values. German is just another Capitalist conspiracy to create false identities.
We are a German republic! We are too long under the heel of foreign rulers such as Lenin! Is not the Chilean Republic Chilean? Is not the Italian Republic Italian? We are the only Communist state under the subversion of foreigners. And why? Because we are powerful, the capitalist has infiltrated in an attempt to decentralise our state. They want to spread ideals that the state does not exist! This new Marxist-Leninist faction and the newly formed Marxist Bloc is not Marxist at all. Its ideals are too far gone of the original ideals of Marxism, and this is clearly due to Capitalist infiltration.
Capitalist? What of the so-called "reforms" of Rosa Luxembourg to introduce women into the work force? This is merely a Capitalist plot to one day introduce a free market. And what of the Democrats? Long have they advocated a free market and free religion! This is a direct asail from the Capitalist outsiders. If religion is reintroduced, it must be state controlled to stop its being fueled by outsider capitalist and imperialist regimes, such as the Catholics! All religion should be integrated and tightly controlled to stop the subversion.
Do not be fooled! Religion can not be destroyed. Look at how, for 1600 years the Catholic has struggled to remove other religions from before it, and yet all they did was make their influence worse! And then religion as it exists is capitalist backed! Total conversion of the masses to atheism is merely a sinkhole devised by the Capitalist so that we may waste all of our resources and sink into a weak state. And then what happens? They destroy our True Revolution with their false Revolution, perhaps lead by the Farmer Conspirator.
Those are the German values of which I speak. Also, our German heritage needs to be emphasised. Who is international? The capitolist is international! We must find strength in our German roots. We must reclaim the lands of Germany held by the International Capitalist Threat of Conspitors who pollute our essence. One nation, one state, one Germany! And to the Conspirator we say "Not one more step!"
((OOC: While some of you seem to be trying to play out how you think your ideal government should be, I'm just trying to roleplay. Yes, the point of the roleplay is to be extremist. That said, please stop making Out Of Character/Out of Universe attacks on my roleplay.))
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If national syndicalism does arise, I suspect it will be in alliance with Sorel's faction. Mousollini would be an unlikely leader for the faction, since he only took the reigns once Sorelian and National Syndicalist thought were merged to from Facism. More likely we would see other Italian and Iberian leaders which were closer to the true movement of National Syndicalism. Alternatively Sorel's revolutionaries have the potential to evolve into the movement to some degree since in this AAR they are more left leaning that in RL, at least IMO.
If national syndicalism does arise, I suspect it will be in alliance with Sorel's faction. Mousollini would be an unlikely leader for the faction, since he only took the reigns once Sorelian and National Syndicalist thought were merged to from Facism. More likely we would see other Italian and Iberian leaders which were closer to the true movement of National Syndicalism. Alternatively Sorel's revolutionaries have the potential to evolve into the movement to some degree since in this AAR they are more left leaning that in RL, at least IMO.
So, if I get this right, you want us to be a socialist theocracy that oppresses women and pushes for ridiculous levels of nationalism?
Where is the equality in that? Socialism is supposed to offer true equality. How are we to be equal if women are treated as subservient to men and the state forces religion onto the masses? Additionally, do you believe socialism is only for Germans? All others will suffer and only the German people will be allowed a chance at true equality under your idea. That goes against pretty much every tenet of socialism.
To me it sounds as if you want some sort of fascist state, not a socialist worker's paradise. You wail on about "conspirators," and yet you are openly pushing for anti-socialist ideas of inequality! You may not be conspiring with the capitalists, but you are no true socialist.
Where is the equality in that? Socialism is supposed to offer true equality. How are we to be equal if women are treated as subservient to men and the state forces religion onto the masses? Additionally, do you believe socialism is only for Germans? All others will suffer and only the German people will be allowed a chance at true equality under your idea. That goes against pretty much every tenet of socialism.
To me it sounds as if you want some sort of fascist state, not a socialist worker's paradise. You wail on about "conspirators," and yet you are openly pushing for anti-socialist ideas of inequality! You may not be conspiring with the capitalists, but you are no true socialist.
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