Let the ruling classes tremble – an Interactive Revolutionary AAR

[keynes2.0]

((While I think it's perfectly alright for Zechs to RP a madman in this thread, I think it's just stupid for him to actively argue with people or for people to argue with him. That just fills the thread with dreck. You can only really have a back and forth if both sides are sane.))

 

[Enewald]

Thanks for putting out your views Zechs. I get what your asking for now.

At times I've struggled to find RL figures (I prefer them at every step but have added a few readers when I can't find an appropriate RL person - eg Enewald ''the baby eater'' Finn, Kadon ''the man's man'' Young Anarchist and Necazian ''the snake'' of whichever faction wins the election ). So if you can find some good RL guys who are nationalistic, socialist and ofc German from the turn of the century period then your ideas might just find a faction. But not just yet anyway.

As for Stalin. There are many ways in which he got to the top and thuggery is not up there. Ironically one of the primary factors that pushed him to the leadership was the Bolshevik fear of a dicator and someone who would alienate the peasantry (read Trotsky). In the end Stalin forever broke the alliance with the peasantry and set up a tolatarian dicatorship in which he ruled as ''Red Tsar''. 1920s Bolshevik Fail *facepalm*.

Hmm... omg...

So, you want guys that would fit into the category of German, Nationalistic, Socialistic and Workers?
I got this strange feeling that I have heard something about those before...

But I am pretty sure that in the early 20th century Kaiserreich, even the left-wing was quite patriotic.
All of their politicians were quite nationalistic.

 

[Marshall Daub]

You're voting for the wrong faction if you want to help the rural proletariots.

What I meant is that I vote for and support the Marxist-Leninists, but that I believe the party needs to put greater effort into addressing the plight of the rural peasant, to avoid such unpleasantries in the future. Bukharin would definitely be a good addition to the M-L party to accomplish this. Perhaps Trotsky as Minister for War? We just need to get the Marxist-Leninists back in power and then to the victor go the spoils!

 

[Konnigratz]

I have a suggestion if a figure for Zechs' idea is required; Anton Drexler. I'd say he fits all conditions, since he was German, a Nationalist (undoubtedly), and the DAP had some slight socialist elements (support largely rooted in the workers and left-leaning economic.)

 

[Communard]

I'm not sure an entire faction is neccessary when it's not unreasonable to assume it would get one vote per election. You didn't create an Enewaldian Kill Lenin And Most Other People Too faction

 

[Raph]

((While I think it's perfectly alright for Zechs to RP a madman in this thread, I think it's just stupid for him to actively argue with people or for people to argue with him. That just fills the thread with dreck. You can only really have a back and forth if both sides are sane.))

Agreed.

 

[Seek75]

I'm not sure an entire faction is neccessary when it's not unreasonable to assume it would get one vote per election. You didn't create an Enewaldian Kill Lenin And Most Other People Too faction

Or did he?

 

[ZechsMerquise73]

((While I think it's perfectly alright for Zechs to RP a madman in this thread, I think it's just stupid for him to actively argue with people or for people to argue with him. That just fills the thread with dreck. You can only really have a back and forth if both sides are sane.))

((I think it beats the usual "So, how 'bout them Marxists?" comments. Its fun! Join in XD))

I'm not sure an entire faction is neccessary when it's not unreasonable to assume it would get one vote per election. You didn't create an Enewaldian Kill Lenin And Most Other People Too faction

((I'm not either, but I'm hoping some policies and character introductions can shape the development of a quasi-fascist faction or external fascist force. I think, logically, with the fast spread of Communist around the world, Fascism would have reared its head a long time ago. And if it doesn't happen externally, it might as well happen internally. It would certainly get more votes than say, the Democrats; because extremism is just plain interesting. The moderate groups like democrats don't get votes because they're not very interesting to most people. The extremist faction would also be Jingoist which would sate the needs of people who want to see external war.))

 

[keynes2.0]

((I have staked out unusual positions in the past. I was pretty much the only poster to disapprove of breaking up the unions. But I didn't try to steer the thread in the direction of hate filled flamewars. If you want to post an extreme position, I recommend writing a coherent, readable newspaper article and submitting it to Tommy for publication. That way you can be having a place in the political spectrum, like various extremist movements, instead of shifting the overall political rhetoric of this thread towards the denouncing of slavery. Protip: If you are proposing slavery, you should come up with a different name and use some smoke screen or other to hide what you mean. Stalism, Maoism and Fascism used slavery and never called them by those names. Dream up something with work quotas and martial law.))

 

[winsingtonIII]

((While I think it's perfectly alright for Zechs to RP a madman in this thread, I think it's just stupid for him to actively argue with people or for people to argue with him. That just fills the thread with dreck. You can only really have a back and forth if both sides are sane.))

I have decided to stop being involved myself, the only reason I was involved is because I have trouble accepting misogynism and Social Darwinism even from a roleplay perspective because it suggests that they should be respected as legitimate political positions. But I am done with it now.

 

[ZechsMerquise73]

((I have staked out unusual positions in the past. I was pretty much the only poster to disapprove of breaking up the unions. But I didn't try to steer the thread in the direction of hate filled flamewars.))

((Its not exactly ideal to create a friendly extremist fascist. My posts have been indirect and playful, while still showing a realistic nationalist fervor.))

((If you want to post an extreme position, I recommend writing a coherent, readable newspaper article and submitting it to Tommy for publication. That way you can be having a place in the political spectrum, like various extremist movements, instead of shifting the overall political rhetoric of this thread towards the denouncing of slavery. Protip: If you are proposing slavery, you should come up with a different name and use some smoke screen or other to hide what you mean. Stalism, Maoism and Fascism used slavery and never called them by those names. Dream up something with work quotas and martial law.))

((Hmm, you're right about the newspaper and slavery. Coherent delivery is really the opposite of what nationalist rhetoric is meant to accomplish. It needs to indirect and ambiguous, while still conjuring good feelings. Then, if the public is already in the extremist frame of mind, it really doesn't matter what extreme things politicians and activists say.))

I have decided to stop being involved myself, the only reason I was involved is because I have trouble accepting misogynism and Social Darwinism even from a roleplay perspective because it suggests that they should be respected as legitimate political positions. But I am done with it now.

((Communism in general is seen as socially and politically unacceptable in most areas of the West. Other users are keen to introduce Stalin into the game scene. Also, Fascism is the natural political reaction to Communism, so I don't see why its introduction would be upsetting. Spanish and Italian fascist regimes weren't very damaging to their people; relatively. Likewise, Stalin's Soviet Union, China, Yukoslavia, Romania, Cambodia, East Germany; all left infamous legacies. In general, Communism is spoke of in places like Germany and the former soviet bloc countries with great derision. Its a rather mixed pot. That said, I realise the topic seems to make feeling run high around here, so I'll tone it down. Personally, I think you should all take it as a reminder of the dangers of such political rhetoric. I'm glad you feel that way about misogyny, but Women's Liberation was a reform that might cause distress in any male dominated society; especially one that contains an idea of "traditional nationalistic values." It is an easy target for showing that the state is drifting away from such values. Also, my character never said anything against women in general, except that they were being used by capitalist infiltrators.))

 

[Enewald]

((Lenin should be killed. And a lot of other Marxisits too! Lenin is a tyrant who is trying to enslave everyone, attack everyone, oppress everyone, etcetera. We should liberate everyone in name of anarchy and shoot the rest! ))

 

[yourworstnightm]

((Why are we doing the (())?))

 

[Seek75]

((Lenin should be killed. And a lot of other Marxisits too! Lenin is a tyrant who is trying to enslave everyone, attack everyone, oppress everyone, etcetera. We should liberate everyone in name of anarchy and shoot the rest! ))

So am I to assume you talk like that in reality, too? Since you're using OOC parenthesis...

 

[ZechsMerquise73]

Its a disease engineered by the capitalists! Everyone, destroy your parentheses before it spreads to you!

 

[Tommy4ever]

((Communism in general is seen as socially and politically unacceptable in most areas of the West. Other users are keen to introduce Stalin into the game scene. Also, Fascism is the natural political reaction to Communism, so I don't see why its introduction would be upsetting. Spanish and Italian fascist regimes weren't very damaging to their people; relatively.Likewise, Stalin's Soviet Union, China, Yukoslavia, Romania, Cambodia, East Germany; all left infamous legacies. In general, Communism is spoke of in places like Germany and the former soviet bloc countries with great derision. Its a rather mixed pot. That said, I realise the topic seems to make feeling run high around here, so I'll tone it down. Personally, I think you should all take it as a reminder of the dangers of such political rhetoric. I'm glad you feel that way about misogyny, but Women's Liberation was a reform that might cause distress in any male dominated society; especially one that contains an idea of "traditional nationalistic values." It is an easy target for showing that the state is drifting away from such values. Also, my character never said anything against women in general, except that they were being used by capitalist infiltrators.))

1. This isn't entirely true though is it.

2. This is false.

((Why are we doing the (())?))

Yes. WHY????????

 

[FireBlaze]

The (( Denotes "Out of character" speech. So he's talking with those to show that he's speaking as himself, and not his character.

 

[Enewald]

So am I to assume you talk like that in reality, too? Since you're using OOC parenthesis...

((Who loves Lenin in reality? ))

 

[Raph]

There happens to be quite a few real leftists (of various types) among the posters in this AAR.

 

[Konnigratz]

((Who loves Lenin in reality? ))

I do. I honestly believe that, had he not died so soon, the USSR would've actually evolved into something more along Marx's original vision, rather than Stalin's tyrannical hellhole. So, there.