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I am playing as the Most Serene Republic of Frisia in the 867 start and I am trying to weaken the Viking raiders. I have no interest in conquering their lands for a lot of reasons. That is why I have decided to ally with the Christian petty kings in Britain and Ireland. Somehow the duke of Jylland is Christian now too and I want to ally with him as well. I don't want them overrun by Vikings who'll start messing with my trade ports, so my goal is to just send my retinue, kill the invaders (i.e. the armies who really want to conquer lands, not the raiders) and go back home.

So I had my children betrothed to ruling dynasties in Britain (Wessex and Mac Ailpin) and Ireland (Cill Dara and Osrange) assuming I could get in on any war they were in. No, it doesn't work that way. I have tested it a few times and rage quit a few times so I've had a nap and am doing better now.

Rage quit moments:

- I betrothed my six year old heir to the six year old daughter of the petty king of Wessex.
Wessex was embroiled in two wars: 1- attacking his vassal of Somerset to revoke his title and 2- defending against Halfdan of Jorvik who wants to take Sussex. Sussex has a count who is vassal to Wessex.
Now because of the betrothal (I think), I can offer to join him in war, but only his war to revoke Somerset shows up. No option to join him in the war against Jorvik.

- Murcia was in a Holy War for Jorvik and though I had no marital bonds with them, I could join their war and I did. I assumed it was because it was a Holy War. Then later, Cill Dara started a Holy War against some Viking right next to him in Ireland and I couldn't join him! As I said, we have marital bonds FTW! I almost killed my mouse:(

I don't get it and the wiki doesn't clarify it. I have also searched using different search terms but nothing. What exactly are the mechanics here? Has anyone tested this or did I miss something crucial somewhere?
 
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You don't get alliances from betrothals only when your daughter comes of age and marries the king of Wessex do you officially become allies. Right now its a promise only in name.

You can always join defensive holy wars with someone of the same faith
Offensive holy wars or any other war require an alliance.
 

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Thanks Boodas. Still it doesn't add up:
- why could I join Murcia in their offensive Holy War for Jorvik?
- why could I join Wessex in his war to revoke Somerset?
At the time there were no marriage bonds, only betrothals with Wessex and nothing with Murcia.

Edit: I'm looking at a save right now where the daughter of the duke of Moray, Hugh of the Mac Ailpin dynasty, is married to my oldest son who is Grand Mayor of Flanders as my vassal. Not betrothed, married. Hugh is in a defensive war against Eochaid of the Scottish Revolt for Scotland. There is no option to join that war. Nor can I join his brother and his daughter is betrothed to another son.
 
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That's it! I think it is the distance between the two realms that decides whether it is or isn't possible to join wars and even then, it depends on what type of war. I have no idea about the latter, but I do know distance has a lot do to with it because now I see East Francia is at war to revoke Weimar and I can join either side while there are no relations whatsoever between us other than that East Francia is my neighbour.
 

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Apparently, the distance is no objection for the AI. Now the king of Scotland has called me to join him in a Holy War for some county in his De Jure territory. Earlier I couldn't join him in his defence against the same Vikings.