FINALLY! Something that portrays the historical colonial warfare was one of the things I wanted most in this game. YAY!
Of course, colonial nations cannot ally with any nations other than native states.
I think what Gars meant was that they provide you with the same income as of 1.3.2 but that that income, compared to what you can squeeze out of a full-fledged colony with the new tariff system will be much greater than what you can take out of 3-4 provinces with the old system.
In that case, why would you even bother colonizing? All the Monarch Points are better spent at home, not to mention you won't need to deal with oversea wars.
I think what Gars meant was that they provide you with the same income as of 1.3.2 but that that income, compared to what you can squeeze out of a full-fledged colony with the new tariff system will be much greater than what you can take out of 3-4 provinces with the old system.
There's not much point in retaining provinces in the New World that don't form a colony as they won't give income.
Presumably they will still provide Trade Power, too, which I can ship back. 4 provinces of 100% trade power that I picked seems better than 5-8 with 50% trade power.
I believe it was only said that colonial nations cannot declare on other colonial nations that share the same overlord. But I might have missed a detail here or there.
I would love it if you were correct. But Captain Gars' answer seemed very specific, to me:
(emphasis mine.)
This is unambiguous I feel: there would be a point to them if they did give per-1.3.2 income, which is far from nothing.
Personally i think he meant that if you only had 4 province in a given region, that would leave the rest to another country, which would thus suck all the income from your 4 mere colonies;
Can/will colonies declare war on each other if they have the same overlord? For instance, could Spanish Cuba declare war on Spanish Mexico?
No, no fighting between colonies of the same overlord.
No. From last week's Dev Diary:
Do the colonies share the Overlord's NIs, tech, and ideas?
This seems to me to be a rather optimistic reading Other colonies can't suck tariff and tax income, only trade power. Tariff and tax income is not "no income." And as soon as you have provnices providing some Trade Power, you can significantly buffed it with Light Ships.
I really feel that what you, Comes and grisamentum say could only be read into a statement like "not much point.. you will gain far less income." That's a lot different to "won't give income."
But I would be very glad if I were wrong
No, I'm sure they might not give tax or production income. But trade power isn't income. In fact it often doesn't even provide any income; if it's not collected, or if it's steered elsewhere, or if you're out-powered in your own collection node, it can actually be someone else's income.
I'm just saying I don't see a lot of clear advantages to actually going for a larger nation if I then lose control of it and start getting dragged in to colonial wars and possibly real wars against European powers.
Go a sneak a few while he is out, I'm sure he won't mindI didn´t get one before he ran out of the office, but he might add one later on!
Personally i think he meant that if you only had 4 province in a given region, that would leave the rest to another country, which would thus suck all the income from your 4 mere colonies;