Pretty sure it's been said that one cannot add war goals in CK2. I forget which DD or thread noted it.
Orinsul I usually agree with what you have to say, but was this a drunken rant? You don't make much sense... the purpose of the crusades was to split the wealth of Islam from India... really? where the hell did you pull that from? Did a French count even know what India was? I think religious fervour played a rather large role in the enterprise, and if it wasnt Catholic faith and the concern for one's soul as the main motivation it was the lust for new lands and riches. Intergral to the preaching of a crusade target was a mass pilgrimage/invasion often crossing cultural boundaries, a crusade was not a lone count mounting an individual war against an individual sheik in the far off Levant and arriving independently of other crusaders.
The Muslim equivalent to a duchy is an emirate, also we havent seen how it actually will work yet, its entirely possible that the Emirate of Jerusalem is enough land to form the Kingdom of Jerusalem immediately which would cause you to break away from the kingdom of France.
I would also like to point out that those things the Crusaders took was mostly power grabs (people declaring their own wars aganinst for example allepo) and the actual crusade was just to attack the target everything else was just what they got along the way.
Forcing lands in Europe to be given away is also probably unnecesary unless both the player had a massively high intrigue, it would be impossible to run lands so far apart from each other.
Plots to declare independence would also presumebly be much easier if your liege and his vassals are far off and unable to attack easily.
Also as noted, it would be preferable if the casus belli was not limited to just the de jure duchy of the target, as it seems strange that the crusaders might conquer Antioch, move south to conquer Acre, then conquer Jerusalem and... in the end only keep the latter. Since casus belli cannot be added to a war, there's no way to really simulate Bohemund's seizing of Antioch, or Baldwin's with Edessa.
In CK2 your goals must be stated at the war declaration, and only the original declarant can press for those specific goals. You can't gain land from defensive wars, even with claims, but I think you can force the aggressor to give up their claims to your land.
So wars should be handled in short order for best results. Dragging them out doesn't help you.
How do you know it's boring? You've yet to play the game...My point is: they took what could have been an awesome, major focal point of the game, and made it boring as hell. As it stands, it's just a Holy War (that apparently anyone can go on without waiting for a Crusade) with a cool name.
How do you know it's boring? You've yet to play the game...
Yeah, but if you were still part of the HRE, you'd still be part of it because Kings can be vassals of Emperors. I'm sure you'll agree that this makes very little sense from a geographical standpoint.
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It will also help to ensure situations like the second crusade where european kings send support for the crusader states happen, I think its good that we will have situations where the European kings try to ensure that the KoJ is defended.That depends on how it is implemented, it at least should start out as a nominal vassal, especially if the first ruler also is a duke in the HRE. OTOH the distance should make it much more likely to break free from the empire, the possessions in the empire could get in trouble though.
For instance IRL the king of Cyprus got his royal crown from the HRE, but de facto it was certainly independent.
In CK2 your goals must be stated at the war declaration, and only the original declarant can press for those specific goals. You can't gain land from defensive wars, even with claims, but I think you can force the aggressor to give up their claims to your land.
So wars should be handled in short order for best results. Dragging them out doesn't help you.
For wars, I think there's only 3 options in CK2.
Enforce goal of CB, white peace, and reverse goal of CB. So if you were taking a duchy as the goal of your CB, the first option would give you the duchy, the second option would end the war but you'd still have your claims, and the third option would cause you to give up your claims on the duchy.
I think too many people are dismissing how big the crusade bonuses really are. There was one recent LP where the guy playing did a quick game as Jerusalem. He was quickly overwhelmed by one of the Caliphs but he may have been able to save himself if he hadn't lacked the piety to recruit the Holy Orders, one of which had like 7,000 troops which would have given him a fighting chance. It's bonuses like this that make a crusade way more competitive for Christians than a regular holy war, IMO. If you guys played CK1 (or watched the recent CK2 Byzantine LP), you know that the Muslims are capable of fielding gigantic doom stacks and every soldier you can find counts.
And, of course, the Invasion CB requires a hefty chunk of piety (500 at last count, I think). Since you can't just buy a claim on kingdom titles anymore, that Invasion CB is really important when you want to start collecting kingdom titles.
How do you get an invasion CB? Do you have to go to the diplomacy screen Pope and ask for it?
How scripted are the areas of operation of the 3 crusader orders. Can the Teutonic Knights fight and gain land in Hungary or the Holy Lands? Can the Hospitalers or Templars participate in the Baltic crusades? Can any of them turn up in the reconquista?
How scripted are the areas of operation of the 3 crusader orders. Can the Teutonic Knights fight and gain land in Hungary or the Holy Lands? Can the Hospitalers or Templars participate in the Baltic crusades? Can any of them turn up in the reconquista?
The events where they might ask you for a border province or the right to establish a castle in your provinces are geared more toward the historical path, with Templars and Hospitalers focusing on the Holy Land and the Teutonic Order against the pagans.
That sounds perfectly historical. everytime the moslems got organised, [in CK2 terms kingdom authority] the crusader state couldnt possibly raise enough troops to stand a chance, which is why we dont still have a kingdom of jerusalem around to day. it couldnt match the numbers. Every soldier should count and be hard to come by.I think too many people are dismissing how big the crusade bonuses really are. There was one recent LP where the guy playing did a quick game as Jerusalem. He was quickly overwhelmed by one of the Caliphs but he may have been able to save himself if he hadn't lacked the piety to recruit the Holy Orders, one of which had like 7,000 troops which would have given him a fighting chance. It's bonuses like this that make a crusade way more competitive for Christians than a regular holy war, IMO. If you guys played CK1 (or watched the recent CK2 Byzantine LP), you know that the Muslims are capable of fielding gigantic doom stacks and every soldier you can find counts.