Hello, everyone!
So, I have written about Circassia suggestion before but would like to propose more change after further research.
The main suggestion would be to reflect better historical timeline, while trying to add flavor to fragmented Caucasus at that time.
Without further ago, this is my suggestion:
map of highlighted change:
A. Princedom of Kabardia - Vassal: Tribal Confederation of Alania
B. Tribal Confederation of Zichia
C. Tribal Confederation of Abazia / Abazin
D. Abhkazian Core on Abhkazia Province
E. Kingdom of Kakheti and Kingdom of Kartli
F. Genoa Map Change
G. Trebizond Map Change - Releasable Lazica
H. Formable Circassia
I would like to also suggest Assyrian culture in Nineveh, but it is for other time
Thanks for reading!
Let me know what you think!
So, I have written about Circassia suggestion before but would like to propose more change after further research.
The main suggestion would be to reflect better historical timeline, while trying to add flavor to fragmented Caucasus at that time.
Without further ago, this is my suggestion:
map of highlighted change:
A. Princedom of Kabardia - Vassal: Tribal Confederation of Alania
Map:
Three new province countries - Capital Besleney/Kuban Kabardia, Temirgoy and Kabardia/Lesser Kabardia. with Alania as a vassal, I added Darial Pass to Alania Province towards Karthli.
Throughout history, Kabardia or East Circassia is more advanced than their Western-fractured sibling. Most of Kabardian history are recorded by the contact with Turk, Russia and Crimea, which indicate high-level of diplomacy / frequent contact with them. I modified the province a little bit to reflect the isolationism of their siblings.The same goes to Alania, which retreated to the mountain after Horde raid, that's why I made them isolated and disconnected from the Horde.
The general consensus of Kabardia border would be also Terek - Sudzan river, which is reflected on the map.
Relationship:
They have rival-tributary relationship with Crimea, which Crimea constantly demanded slave tribute to them. So, Kabardia should start as Tributary States of Crimea
Kabardia also have some sort of one way trade relationship with Karachay, Balkars and Ossetia, which feels more like trade cities to Kabardia. That's why I added Alania as Kabardia vassal (I would also love to add Turk-cultured Karachay and Balkars provinces but would be too much OPMs. Unless Paradox wants to)
Trade and Development:
Kabardia should be richer than it is now. They are famous for their carpet, grains, and livestocks.
Grain should be produced in Besleney and Kabardia, carpet in Termigoy and livestock in Alania. Slave could be also considered in Termigoy
My suggestion for development would be:
Termigoy: 1 3 1 - High trade province with Genoa and Crimea
Besleney: 1 1 1
Kabardia: 1 2 1 - Trade with Ossetia
Total: 12 Development
Alania: 1 2 1 - Trade with Kabardia
Total: 4 Development
Ruler:
There were a numerous vague report of excellent ruler of Kabardia which named Inal or Yinal from Temruk Dynasty in Circassia. Some source indicate the ruler existed in early 1400s, while some indicate on late 1400s.
He is an ambitious ruler which mission is to unite all Circassian region. He is excellent in diplomatic area, not so much in administrative, I think.
Prince Yinal Temruk: 3 / 5 / 3
Mission and Ideas:
Add new mission to unite all Circassia-area. Should include ideas and event which include diplomatic effort of Kabardia towards Russia/Ottoman/Poland, as my previous post
Three new province countries - Capital Besleney/Kuban Kabardia, Temirgoy and Kabardia/Lesser Kabardia. with Alania as a vassal, I added Darial Pass to Alania Province towards Karthli.
Throughout history, Kabardia or East Circassia is more advanced than their Western-fractured sibling. Most of Kabardian history are recorded by the contact with Turk, Russia and Crimea, which indicate high-level of diplomacy / frequent contact with them. I modified the province a little bit to reflect the isolationism of their siblings.The same goes to Alania, which retreated to the mountain after Horde raid, that's why I made them isolated and disconnected from the Horde.
The general consensus of Kabardia border would be also Terek - Sudzan river, which is reflected on the map.
Relationship:
They have rival-tributary relationship with Crimea, which Crimea constantly demanded slave tribute to them. So, Kabardia should start as Tributary States of Crimea
Kabardia also have some sort of one way trade relationship with Karachay, Balkars and Ossetia, which feels more like trade cities to Kabardia. That's why I added Alania as Kabardia vassal (I would also love to add Turk-cultured Karachay and Balkars provinces but would be too much OPMs. Unless Paradox wants to
)Trade and Development:
Kabardia should be richer than it is now. They are famous for their carpet, grains, and livestocks.
Grain should be produced in Besleney and Kabardia, carpet in Termigoy and livestock in Alania. Slave could be also considered in Termigoy
My suggestion for development would be:
Termigoy: 1 3 1 - High trade province with Genoa and Crimea
Besleney: 1 1 1
Kabardia: 1 2 1 - Trade with Ossetia
Total: 12 Development
Alania: 1 2 1 - Trade with Kabardia
Total: 4 Development
Ruler:
There were a numerous vague report of excellent ruler of Kabardia which named Inal or Yinal from Temruk Dynasty in Circassia. Some source indicate the ruler existed in early 1400s, while some indicate on late 1400s.
He is an ambitious ruler which mission is to unite all Circassian region. He is excellent in diplomatic area, not so much in administrative, I think.
Prince Yinal Temruk: 3 / 5 / 3
Mission and Ideas:
Add new mission to unite all Circassia-area. Should include ideas and event which include diplomatic effort of Kabardia towards Russia/Ottoman/Poland, as my previous post
B. Tribal Confederation of Zichia
Okay, before anyone kills me, I actually can't find the flag of Zichia and use Karachay-Cherkessia of modern USSR flag instead. If anyone have better flag, please inform me.
Map:
Zichia is OPM (Adyghe province) of isolated western part of Adyghe people, who often raided traders in Genoa. The actual people living there is a bunch of small circassian princedom like Natukhai, Ubykh and etc.
I propose they should already learn what feudalism is but retain tribal confederation government form.
They also have a core in Martega.
Relationship:
They rivaled Abazin - forced them to migrate in the past and have historical friend modifier with Kabardia.
They should also start in trade league with Genoa.
Trade and Development:
Adyghe should produce rice or slave.
The area is really poor, man recorded to sell their women for money.
1 1 1 development should be fitting.
Ruler:
There is scarce resource on Zichia, there were a mention that Pope sent a letter to Zichia king, Verzacht.
A princess from the area actually married Genoese, allowing Genoa to rule Martega. But there is so little to tell
Map:
Zichia is OPM (Adyghe province) of isolated western part of Adyghe people, who often raided traders in Genoa. The actual people living there is a bunch of small circassian princedom like Natukhai, Ubykh and etc.
I propose they should already learn what feudalism is but retain tribal confederation government form.
They also have a core in Martega.
Relationship:
They rivaled Abazin - forced them to migrate in the past and have historical friend modifier with Kabardia.
They should also start in trade league with Genoa.
Trade and Development:
Adyghe should produce rice or slave.
The area is really poor, man recorded to sell their women for money.
1 1 1 development should be fitting.
Ruler:
There is scarce resource on Zichia, there were a mention that Pope sent a letter to Zichia king, Verzacht.
A princess from the area actually married Genoese, allowing Genoa to rule Martega. But there is so little to tell
C. Tribal Confederation of Abazia / Abazin
Map:
The more isolated sibling of Zichia. Abazia is an OPM of Circassia tribe in Abazia province. They do not know what feudalism is at the start of the game.
Abazia was forced to relocate to current province under Ubykh/Zichia pressure, so Abazia core on Adyghe should be fitting.
In real life, Abazia and Abhkazia are more closely related than the other Circassian tribe.
Relationship:
Historical rival of Zichia and historical friend of Abhkazia.
Trade and Development:
No notable trade history, 1 1 1 province.
The more isolated sibling of Zichia. Abazia is an OPM of Circassia tribe in Abazia province. They do not know what feudalism is at the start of the game.
Abazia was forced to relocate to current province under Ubykh/Zichia pressure, so Abazia core on Adyghe should be fitting.
In real life, Abazia and Abhkazia are more closely related than the other Circassian tribe.
Relationship:
Historical rival of Zichia and historical friend of Abhkazia.
Trade and Development:
No notable trade history, 1 1 1 province.
D. Abhkazian Core on Abhkazia Province
Map:
Releasable OPM from Imereti. This is based on Kingdom of Abhkazia in the previous period, Principality of Abhkazia that existed in 1450s and modern Abhkazia rebellion in Georgia.
The culture of Abhkazia should be changed to Circassia, as they were part of Circassian culture in real life. In modern time, Circassian also helps Abhkazian in Abhkazia-Georgian war.
Relationship:
Historical friend of Abazia, good relationship of Imereti and hostile towards Kakheti and Kartli.
Event:
An event where Imereti would release Abhkazia as rebellious vassal/rebel spawn would also be good.
The rest should be the same as the current Abhkazia
Releasable OPM from Imereti. This is based on Kingdom of Abhkazia in the previous period, Principality of Abhkazia that existed in 1450s and modern Abhkazia rebellion in Georgia.
The culture of Abhkazia should be changed to Circassia, as they were part of Circassian culture in real life. In modern time, Circassian also helps Abhkazian in Abhkazia-Georgian war.
Relationship:
Historical friend of Abazia, good relationship of Imereti and hostile towards Kakheti and Kartli.
Event:
An event where Imereti would release Abhkazia as rebellious vassal/rebel spawn would also be good.
The rest should be the same as the current Abhkazia
E. Kingdom of Kakheti and Kingdom of Kartli
My suggestion would be the same as this excellent thread:
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/kingdom-of-georgia.1075741/
Since the suggestion is already solid, I don't think there is a need of repetation, but in short:
Split Georgia into Kakheti and Kartli, Georgia should be only a formable nation.
Imereti should have one additional province - Svaneti and 4 releasable OPMs:
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/kingdom-of-georgia.1075741/
Since the suggestion is already solid, I don't think there is a need of repetation, but in short:
Split Georgia into Kakheti and Kartli, Georgia should be only a formable nation.
Imereti should have one additional province - Svaneti and 4 releasable OPMs:
- Abkhazia
- Odishi
- Svaneti
- Guria.
F. Genoa Map Change
Martega should be bigger to cut Adyghe from Crimea.
There is almost no contact between Crimea and isolated Adyghe tribes, as far as my knowledge goes. The map is modified to accommodate the situation.
There is almost no contact between Crimea and isolated Adyghe tribes, as far as my knowledge goes. The map is modified to accommodate the situation.
G. Trebizond Map Change - Releasable Lazica
Map:
I split Trebizond to 2 province - Trebizond and Leziga. This is based on the fact that King of Trebizond is also known as King of Lazica, due to most of subject is Laz people.
Lazica should have Georgia culture and Orthodax faith, with Lazica core in Lazica province.
An 1 1 1 province would fit Lazica well.
I split Trebizond to 2 province - Trebizond and Leziga. This is based on the fact that King of Trebizond is also known as King of Lazica, due to most of subject is Laz people.
Lazica should have Georgia culture and Orthodax faith, with Lazica core in Lazica province.
An 1 1 1 province would fit Lazica well.
H. Formable Circassia
I think it is fair to add Circassia as formable nation, to add more flavor to Caucasus. Kabardia, Abazia, Mantega and Adyghe should be required to form Circassia. I copied these parts from my older thread:
Circassian Ideas
New Decision
Events
Circassian Ideas
I think Circassian Ideas should better reflect the historical Circassia where the country is really stable, with no rebels and acceptance for cultures and religions. My ideas with Circassia Ideas is to make it stable as it was and reflect "Circassian Beauty" status better.
Here is my takes on current Circassian Ideas on eu4:
1) Traditions
Circassia is traditionally more passive when it comes to be dominated (by Genoese, Crimean, Russian), so I think it is safe to say that shouldn't have +50% hostile core cost creation. The stability part is quite true though, since most of the times, Circassia is quite passive, dominated but stable. My highlight on Circassia tradition is how easy they are to accept a culture wherever they are (Circassia diaspora can accept culture in Turkey, Iran, Jordan, Egypt and even Israel), or how easy for them to accept a culture in their own land (Abhkazian, Russian, or Balkar). So I propose:
Accepted Cultural Threshold -25%
Stability Cost Modifier -10%
2) Horsemen of the Steppe -> Shaska!
I don't really understand the balancing of battle mechanics, so feel free to adjust the number. But I propose name changes to Shaska, traditional saber-like Circassian weapon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shashka).
Cavalry Combat Ability +10%
Cavalry Cost -10%
3) Merchants of Genoa
No change
4) Circassian Grain Trade
No Change
Additional effect to add Merchant +1
5) Franciscan Missionary -> Religious Flexibility
Don't really see background for this ideas. I think it should be religious flexibility instead.
Tolerance of Heretics +1
Tolerance of Heathens +1
6) Adyghe Beauty: Inoculation
I propose +1 Yearly Prestige instead, to better reflect multiple consort of Circassian origin in Middle Age. Ivan the terrible won't take Circassian wife if the area doesn't have some sort of prestige
Inoculation is form of vaccination, believed to cause extreme clear skin on Medieval Circassia
7) Steppe Diplomats -> Land of the Consort
Our girls are often taken as a consort of prestigious kingdom of the South. They still get involved in our affair and influence our nation
Diplomatic Reputation +1
Diplomat +1
8) Religious Flexibility -> Adaptation
As the master of Steppe terrain, Circassian warrior has used to fight in short pants to adjust their movement in the mountain.
Army Attrition +1
Enemy Attrition on Circassia -2
9) Ambitions -> Adyghe Khabze
We are bounded far beyond our religious and ethnic ground, we are bounded by our blood, Adyghe Khabze.
Culture conversion cost -50%
Land Force Limit +25%
Here is my takes on current Circassian Ideas on eu4:
1) Traditions
Circassia is traditionally more passive when it comes to be dominated (by Genoese, Crimean, Russian), so I think it is safe to say that shouldn't have +50% hostile core cost creation. The stability part is quite true though, since most of the times, Circassia is quite passive, dominated but stable. My highlight on Circassia tradition is how easy they are to accept a culture wherever they are (Circassia diaspora can accept culture in Turkey, Iran, Jordan, Egypt and even Israel), or how easy for them to accept a culture in their own land (Abhkazian, Russian, or Balkar). So I propose:
Accepted Cultural Threshold -25%
Stability Cost Modifier -10%
2) Horsemen of the Steppe -> Shaska!
I don't really understand the balancing of battle mechanics, so feel free to adjust the number. But I propose name changes to Shaska, traditional saber-like Circassian weapon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shashka).
Cavalry Combat Ability +10%
Cavalry Cost -10%
3) Merchants of Genoa
No change
4) Circassian Grain Trade
No Change
Additional effect to add Merchant +1
5) Franciscan Missionary -> Religious Flexibility
Don't really see background for this ideas. I think it should be religious flexibility instead.
Tolerance of Heretics +1
Tolerance of Heathens +1
6) Adyghe Beauty: Inoculation
I propose +1 Yearly Prestige instead, to better reflect multiple consort of Circassian origin in Middle Age. Ivan the terrible won't take Circassian wife if the area doesn't have some sort of prestige
Inoculation is form of vaccination, believed to cause extreme clear skin on Medieval Circassia
7) Steppe Diplomats -> Land of the Consort
Our girls are often taken as a consort of prestigious kingdom of the South. They still get involved in our affair and influence our nation
Diplomatic Reputation +1
Diplomat +1
8) Religious Flexibility -> Adaptation
As the master of Steppe terrain, Circassian warrior has used to fight in short pants to adjust their movement in the mountain.
Army Attrition +1
Enemy Attrition on Circassia -2
9) Ambitions -> Adyghe Khabze
We are bounded far beyond our religious and ethnic ground, we are bounded by our blood, Adyghe Khabze.
Culture conversion cost -50%
Land Force Limit +25%
New Decision
Our Motherland, Kingdom of Circassia
Our motherland has been sorrowful as we keep dividing ourselves. The times has come for Circassia to unite under one man
Requirement:
-Main culture is Circassia
-Has Adyghe, Abazia, Temirgoy, Beslenay, Kabardia and Martega
Effect:
-Move capital to Termigoy
-Change government type to Elective Monarchy
-Gain 10 Prestige
-Monthly anatomy change -0.5
Source: King Yenal of Circassia once unite the Circassian princedom before Russo-Circassia War. Although it is not clear what kind of government system they use, they are united so I propose kingdom
Our motherland has been sorrowful as we keep dividing ourselves. The times has come for Circassia to unite under one man
Requirement:
-Main culture is Circassia
-Has Adyghe, Abazia, Temirgoy, Beslenay, Kabardia and Martega
Effect:
-Move capital to Termigoy
-Change government type to Elective Monarchy
-Gain 10 Prestige
-Monthly anatomy change -0.5
Source: King Yenal of Circassia once unite the Circassian princedom before Russo-Circassia War. Although it is not clear what kind of government system they use, they are united so I propose kingdom
Events
Event: Eyes on Caucasus!
Desc: (Name of Muscovy/Russia ruler) has set (his/her) eyes on the Caucasus! Our neighbor has been attacked! We are next!
History: This event is based on Ivan the Terrible laying claim on Circassia, solely based on his marriage with Maria Temryukovna, an princess or some sort from Kabardia
Requirement:
- Circassia has a royal marriage with Russia
- Circassia is not Orthodox
- Muscovy bordering Circassia
- Ottoman and Persia exist in Asia
A) Send diplomat to Ottoman, Mamluks and Persia!
- Change all religion within Circassia to Islam
- Muscovy relation with Circassia -100
- Muscovy get claims on all Circassia area on Caucasus
- Ottoman/Mamluks/Persia guarantees Circassia Independence (only one, 50% chances to be Ottoman)
B) Send diplomat to Russia
- Circassia pay 25% of income and guaranteed by Muscovy
- Circassia becomes Orthodox
- Circassia prestige -10
- Circassia relationship with Muscovy +100
- If AI, Circassia becomes vassal of Russia
Event: Golden Age of Circassian Beauty!
Desc: Slave trade on Crimea has destroyed! Now people could only get our beauty from our glorious land! Now Kingdom from various continents come to Circassia to find suitable consort!
History: Crimea slave port destroyed by Muscovy, caused deficit in Circassian Women supply
Requirement:
- Crimea does not exist
- Prestige above 75
A) Let's make Adyghe beauty known!
- Gain 200 Ducats
- Trade Income +10%
- Prestige +10
- Diplomatic Reputation +3
- Diplomatic relation +1
- -10% Manpower
B) Hide our girls for our allies only!
- +10% Manpower
- +50 relationship with all our allies
- Royal marriage / Consort with our allies
- Prestige -10
Event: Crimean's Slave Demand!
Desc: Khan of Crimea demands 4000 Slaves from Circassia
History: Khan of Crimea demans slaves from Circassia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circassians#Medieval_period
Requirement:
- Crimea Khanate is Circassia neighbor and has at least one province in Crimea
- Circassia hold Kabardia province
- The year is 1500 - 1750
A) Accept the demand
- Circassia manpower -4000
- Prestige -20
- Circassia becomes vassal of Crimea
B) Battle of Kinzhal it is!
- Crimea started a war to Circassia, Circassia is the considered as the defender. Demand: Take Kabardia!
- Morale of Circassian army +20% for duration of the war
- Manpower recovery +20%, for duration of war
Event: Circassian Refugee!
Desc: Circassia has been destroyed! But we choose to flee than surrender! We will be back!
History:
Circassia-Poland http://www.circassianworld.com/history/miscellaneous/1207-circassian-princes-poland
Circassia-Ottoman/Persia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circassians#Medieval_period
Requirement:
- The player is either Poland (If Circassia Christian) or Ottoman and Persia (If Circassia Muslim)
- Circassia does not exist
- Russia hold at least 1 province with Circassia Culture
- Poland/Ottoman bordering Circassia or Russia
A) Let them all in!
- Manpower +10%
- If you got no consort, receive 1 consort of Circassian origin
- Morale of Army +10%
- (Poland/Persia/Ottoman) gain causus belly to attack Russia, to release Circassia as their vassal (automatic)
- Circassia culture becomes accepted
- Prestige +10
- Russia get malus -10% Manpower
B) We don't need any weakling!
- Russia relationship with (Ottoman/Poland) +50
- Prestige +10
- (Poland/Persia/Ottoman, the other one) get the causus belly
Desc: (Name of Muscovy/Russia ruler) has set (his/her) eyes on the Caucasus! Our neighbor has been attacked! We are next!
History: This event is based on Ivan the Terrible laying claim on Circassia, solely based on his marriage with Maria Temryukovna, an princess or some sort from Kabardia
Requirement:
- Circassia has a royal marriage with Russia
- Circassia is not Orthodox
- Muscovy bordering Circassia
- Ottoman and Persia exist in Asia
A) Send diplomat to Ottoman, Mamluks and Persia!
- Change all religion within Circassia to Islam
- Muscovy relation with Circassia -100
- Muscovy get claims on all Circassia area on Caucasus
- Ottoman/Mamluks/Persia guarantees Circassia Independence (only one, 50% chances to be Ottoman)
B) Send diplomat to Russia
- Circassia pay 25% of income and guaranteed by Muscovy
- Circassia becomes Orthodox
- Circassia prestige -10
- Circassia relationship with Muscovy +100
- If AI, Circassia becomes vassal of Russia
Event: Golden Age of Circassian Beauty!
Desc: Slave trade on Crimea has destroyed! Now people could only get our beauty from our glorious land! Now Kingdom from various continents come to Circassia to find suitable consort!
History: Crimea slave port destroyed by Muscovy, caused deficit in Circassian Women supply
Requirement:
- Crimea does not exist
- Prestige above 75
A) Let's make Adyghe beauty known!
- Gain 200 Ducats
- Trade Income +10%
- Prestige +10
- Diplomatic Reputation +3
- Diplomatic relation +1
- -10% Manpower
B) Hide our girls for our allies only!
- +10% Manpower
- +50 relationship with all our allies
- Royal marriage / Consort with our allies
- Prestige -10
Event: Crimean's Slave Demand!
Desc: Khan of Crimea demands 4000 Slaves from Circassia
History: Khan of Crimea demans slaves from Circassia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circassians#Medieval_period
Requirement:
- Crimea Khanate is Circassia neighbor and has at least one province in Crimea
- Circassia hold Kabardia province
- The year is 1500 - 1750
A) Accept the demand
- Circassia manpower -4000
- Prestige -20
- Circassia becomes vassal of Crimea
B) Battle of Kinzhal it is!
- Crimea started a war to Circassia, Circassia is the considered as the defender. Demand: Take Kabardia!
- Morale of Circassian army +20% for duration of the war
- Manpower recovery +20%, for duration of war
Event: Circassian Refugee!
Desc: Circassia has been destroyed! But we choose to flee than surrender! We will be back!
History:
Circassia-Poland http://www.circassianworld.com/history/miscellaneous/1207-circassian-princes-poland
Circassia-Ottoman/Persia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circassians#Medieval_period
Requirement:
- The player is either Poland (If Circassia Christian) or Ottoman and Persia (If Circassia Muslim)
- Circassia does not exist
- Russia hold at least 1 province with Circassia Culture
- Poland/Ottoman bordering Circassia or Russia
A) Let them all in!
- Manpower +10%
- If you got no consort, receive 1 consort of Circassian origin
- Morale of Army +10%
- (Poland/Persia/Ottoman) gain causus belly to attack Russia, to release Circassia as their vassal (automatic)
- Circassia culture becomes accepted
- Prestige +10
- Russia get malus -10% Manpower
B) We don't need any weakling!
- Russia relationship with (Ottoman/Poland) +50
- Prestige +10
- (Poland/Persia/Ottoman, the other one) get the causus belly
I would like to also suggest Assyrian culture in Nineveh, but it is for other time
Thanks for reading!
Let me know what you think!
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