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CK2 Dev Diary #103 - Long live the King!

Greetings.

Today we will put Pagans aside, go back to good old Catholics, and explore one of the new features coming for them with Holy Fury: Coronation Ceremonies.

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With this expansion, succeeding to the throne of a Catholic Kingdom or Empire will not be a simple matter of gaining the title itself. The new ruler will need to organize a Coronation Ceremony (via new intrigue decision) and be recognized as legitimate by a notable member of the Catholic Church.
If a Catholic ruler fails to be officially crowned, he will see his popularity slowly fade away each year, as his vassals grow more and more restless under what they perceive as an illegitimate King.

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Coronation is divided into two phases: preparation and ceremony.
During the preparation, the ruler will decide whom he wishes to be crowned by, he will meet the Church’s demands, and invest money to organize the ceremony. In the second phase, the ruler will host the ceremony itself, interacting with guests and ultimately receiving his crown.

When organizing a ceremony, a Catholic King can choose between three possible options when it comes to officiant priests: he can be crowned by a low-status theocratic vassal within his realm, by a powerful theocratic vassal within his realm (such as a Cardinal, Antipope or Prince-Bishop), or by the Pope himself. Catholic Emperors who fail to enact the Free Investiture succession on the other hand will be limited in their selection only to the Pope.
While being crowned by a local Bishop is a lot less prestigious, it is also much cheaper, as higher-ranking members of the Church will be prone to make outlandish requests, especially if they dislike the ruler requesting them to officiate his coronation.

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Requests may vary a lot, especially when it comes to the Pope: the Holy Father might ask you to change your realm’s Investiture laws, wage war against an Excommunicated ruler on behalf of the Papacy, or to restore some of the Central Italian provinces to the Holy See.
Be sure to be in good relations with the Pope before asking for a coronation if you wish to receive a more tolerable offer.

Once the demands of your chosen priest have been met, you will be able to select a budget for your ceremony which will determine the kind of coronation you will receive, the kind of flavor events tied to it and the number of guests participating in it.
An extravagant coronation is a prestigious event to which all your vassals, courtiers and even neighboring Christian rulers are invited, a secluded coronation is a private feast to which only your Council will have access to.

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Once the ceremony has been concluded, your character will receive a specific trait tied to the priest that crowned him, as well as retain any additional perks granted by the flavor events experienced during the feast leading up to the coronation.

You might have noticed from the screenshots that this new mechanic affects character portraits as well: Catholic Kings and Emperors that have not been crowned will no longer wear the high-tier headgear in Holy Fury, defaulting to the Ducal band instead until their rank has been officially recognized by the Church (naturally, if you do not own Holy Fury, Catholic Kings and Emperors will wear the appropriate gear by default as before).

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This is not the only portrait-related addition though: Holy Fury will bring to the game a series of special crown artifacts that will be visible on portraits whenever the characters are wearing them. Most of these artifacts can only be used when the character meets certain requirements and they are often tied to a specific title rather than a character’s dynasty.

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And this should be about it for this week.
 
Okay I am somewhat disappointed that Pagans won't get coronations, I was hoping coronations would come with the Hierocratic Leadership :-(

I mean I understand why it doesn't, but I still think it kinda should.

The reason because it's just for Christians and not for pagans, it's because we need uniqueness.
Not for all Pagans, just for Pagans that pick the Hierocratic Leadership and, through that, basically get a Pagan Pope.

Plus historically it makes no sense for pagan tribes to prove their rule as heaven sent when the entire tribal society is based around prestige to build and summon and armies...

Please don't my High Medieval, Feudal, Proselytizing Pagan Empire a "tribe" that only cares about armies...

See? Now that pagan religions are customization they can be anything. So appealing to "historical" arguments in a world where Pagans can reform themselves is not that helpful...
 
If we start getting the crowns of other rulers as war booty, can we wear them just to show off :cool:? Even if the usual bonuses associated to them do not apply.

Will France in particular have its own specialized crown?

He might still ask outlandish requests, it mainly depends on his opinion of you.

If the pope is obedient (say possessed or a satanist when you are the high priest), then will there be no requests?

Coronations are tied to the ruler himself, so gaining a new title does not require another ceremony. While this is not exactly historical, having different ceremonies, traits, etc. for every King or Emperor tier title that a ruler has (or gains after his first coronation) might get very frustrating for a player.

Can we have an optional game rule to enable multiple required coronations?

If some Viking stole it from him, it is not going to magically reappear in the treasury of the new Emperor).

If some Viking did steal the crown associated to your title, will there be any events/actions allowing you to pursue its recovery (via money, diplomacy, or more violent means)?
 
If some Viking stole it from him, it is not going to magically reappear in the treasury of the new Emperor).

Related to this: could said viking then wear the crown himself and have it seen on his portrait?
 
In Hungary it became a rule that the king in regards of his coronation must fullfill the 3 requirements below:
1. He must be crowned by the archbishop of Esztergom
2. He must be crowned in the City of Székesfehérvár
3. He must be crowned with the Holy Crown of Hungary.

Only after he has fullfilled ALL of them was he considered the legitimate king of Hungary. Thats why some kings were crwoned more than once - first to stage their claim and finally when they could fulfill all the requirements.

Could we have something like this?
 
So if the ruler isn't an adult,will it have the opinion debuff for not been crowned?
No, children do not get a debuff for being uncrowned, but if a child ruler manages to organize a coronation despite being underage, there is some positive flavor attached to it.

Other than an increasing vassal opinion malus, are there any other downsides to being uncrowned?
There are some negative events tied to it.

Also, will any of the existing crown artwork be given a rework? Like say a certain ugly as sin red monstrosity that celtic emperors are saddled with?
Cultural crowns remain as they are, the special crowns are, as the name implies, special cases. Most Kings being crowned are not going to have an artifact.
If the pope is obedient (say possessed or a satanist when you are the high priest), then will there be no requests?
The Pope will always make a request, but, the more he likes you, the cheaper it will be.

Can we have an optional game rule to enable multiple required coronations?
Unfortunately that is not something easily done, it would require a considerable rework of the mechanic.

If some Viking did steal the crown associated to your title, will there be any events/actions allowing you to pursue its recovery (via money, diplomacy, or more violent means)?
Not specifically, it can be recovered as any other artifact.

Related to this: could said viking then wear the crown himself and have it seen on his portrait?
It depends on the crown, though most have specific requirements to be worn as they give a specific bonus that would not make sense for every owner to have.
 
It depends on the crown, though most have specific requirements to be worn as they give a specific bonus that would not make sense for every owner to have.

I wouldn't even expect a bonus, it'd just be funny as hell to wear the imperial crown of the HRE as high chief Olaf of vikingland.
 
I'm Looking forward to play Holy Fury.
 
If someone usurps your kingdom A and you are not their vassal after they take it (say you are still king of another kingdom B), do they automatically get your crown of A, even if you are still alive and hold a strong claim to that title?
 
Very nice addition. I saw on the Dev post that Tribal Catholics can't be coronated until they become feudal. Sounds like even more pressure to convert out of Tribalism, become a Pagan, or become a Merchant Republic.

So long, multi-century run as the Tribal King of Ireland!
 
Sylfae, maybe it’s a little bit offtopic, but in the pictures you showed I can’t see any map changes to Iberia, France or the British Isles as it’s claimed in the free features of the patch:


“Free features

  • Map and setup improvements (including the Steppes, Russia, Scandinavia, Finland, the Baltics, Poland, the Alps, Italy, Greece, France, the British Isles, Iberia, Germany, the Steppes, the Balkans, Anatolia, and Africa).”

A) Is it too soon for showing this?


B) Is western Europe only receiving “setup” improvements?


C) Has it been discarded?
 
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1102181426
So let's say I order blacksmith to make me a crown worthy of emperor, and my regual outfit has fur hat. Will smithed crown if worn count as "special artifact that affects portrait" or will my emperor of the North still wear his 700 year old great^8grandpa's furhat?
also
Not specifically, it can be recovered as any other artifact.
we have CB's to free prisoner's. Do we have, or will we have "get our stolen stuff back" Casus Bellis?
 
Sylfae, maybe it’s a little bit offtopic, but in the pictures you showed I can’t see any map changes to Iberia, France or the British Isles as it’s claimed in the free features of the patch:


“Free features

  • Map and setup improvements (including the Steppes, Russia, Scandinavia, Finland, the Baltics, Poland, the Alps, Italy, Greece, France, the British Isles, Iberia, Germany, the Steppes, the Balkans, Anatolia, and Africa).”

A) Is it too soon for showing this?


B) Is western Europe only receiving “setup” improvements?


C) Has it been discarded?

The picture is old, prior to some updates.
 
Cultural crowns remain as they are, the special crowns are, as the name implies, special cases. Most Kings being crowned are not going to have an artifact.

Crud. I was really hoping I wouldn't actually have to try an update my mod for HF. You are making it quite hard to be lazy. :p

I love that crown :eek:

The only thing is that I wish I knew what it was based on.

Ug, you might like it but I hate it. Its huge, oddly shaped, and looks more like a chef hat than a crown. Extra glaring as the king tier crowns are some of my favorites.

If you can find some sort of historical inspiration for it, it would make it somewhat more tolerable. But even then, bleh. Just not my jam.
 
I did all my Dev Diaries long ago, so features that were added after them (such as the map changes) do not appear in their screenshots.
 
If a Catholic ruler fails to be officially crowned, he will see his popularity slowly fade away each year, as his vassals grow more and more restless under what they perceive as an illegitimate King
The first picture just shows a flat -4 opinion. So does this mean you lose some opinion each year and then this modifier disappears on coronation?