What the hell. Argentina wasn't even trying; good thing that Bosnia took the matter into their own hands...
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I wake up to find that evil once again has prevailed over good. I am of course talking about Argentina's win.
As for WW there should be some material to go on considering we bagged a wolf. I need breakfast and a lot of coffee before I even look at it though.
As for WW there should be some material to go on considering we bagged a wolf. I need breakfast and a lot of coffee before I even look at it though.
Yeah well, your dad totally 'did' your mum.
No I don't suck at your mum jokes at all, why do you ask?
Same here. I've read up this morning (on my phone), but I'm not even going to begin writing my regular big post while reading the thread thing - it's just not going to work.
What *is* going to work, however, is going back and putting together some analysis on our dear departed doctor.
To be continued.
I'm just going over the comments and votes involving livingstone, take them out of the thread when and where they occur, and comment if I have anything to add that isn't completely obvious
Day 1:
Interesting exchange. It sounds like the kind of thing packmates might do to get alibi votes in early.
Also: Blatant revenge vote. Why didn't I notice that?
That makes it:
A bit later, with the count pretty much unchanged:
This establishes a pattern we'll see here a lot: He's *always* curious about "where this is going", "where this might lead", etc.
I don't know if he always does that or only a as a wolf, though.
Also, this vote puts EURO in the lead. I didn't have EURO as a baddie before, though, so it doesn't actually change much imho.
.. and that makes the euro vote a bit lobsided, in fact. As evidenced by the Skobolev count, a bit later.
Well, obviously there are wolves on that bandwagon, bud
Oh. Really?
Totally not an alibi vote. No, sirree.
Somebody scan this guy, please.
With the move away from EURO this puts snoop in a bit of danger:
Again, this doesn't really change much. Considering how snoop campaigned against Livingstone yesterday he's about the most cleared person in the game. This just adds to it.
This is another theme to his playstyle this game: The campaigning for ties.
Some time later, we see this:
The first attempt at a coördinated voteswing. Onto livingstone.
I'm putting madchemist on my villager list right here. Packmates wouldn't choose him for something as dangerous as *that*.
.. and here I have to stop for a bit. Duty calls.
Day 1:
Interesting exchange. It sounds like the kind of thing packmates might do to get alibi votes in early.
Also: Blatant revenge vote. Why didn't I notice that?
That makes it:
A bit later, with the count pretty much unchanged:
This establishes a pattern we'll see here a lot: He's *always* curious about "where this is going", "where this might lead", etc.
I don't know if he always does that or only a as a wolf, though.
Also, this vote puts EURO in the lead. I didn't have EURO as a baddie before, though, so it doesn't actually change much imho.
.. and that makes the euro vote a bit lobsided, in fact. As evidenced by the Skobolev count, a bit later.
Well, obviously there are wolves on that bandwagon, bud
Oh. Really?
Totally not an alibi vote. No, sirree.
Somebody scan this guy, please.
With the move away from EURO this puts snoop in a bit of danger:
Again, this doesn't really change much. Considering how snoop campaigned against Livingstone yesterday he's about the most cleared person in the game. This just adds to it.
This is another theme to his playstyle this game: The campaigning for ties.
Some time later, we see this:
The first attempt at a coördinated voteswing. Onto livingstone.
I'm putting madchemist on my villager list right here. Packmates wouldn't choose him for something as dangerous as *that*.
.. and here I have to stop for a bit. Duty calls.
For the purposes of examining everything Livingstone was involved in?
Yes. I'm sorry. It had to be done. Call it an autopsy, if you will.
So, first day vote swing it is:
That's three votes in quick succession. I can see where that marty hunt came from, at least. Misguided, of course, but still.
Notice Euro complaining about picking Livingstone. That's how a wolf might defend a packmate .. but not how Euro might. He actually has a pair.
What is this "capital" you speak of?
More wolf sign I didn't pick up on
Alxeu makes himself look bad. Again.
Now that's very deserved.
If euro were to try to save a packmate, *this* is how he'd do it.
[video=youtube;BQ4yd2W50No]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ4yd2W50No[/video]
Madchemist pressures the doctor for information.
He definitely isn't a wolf.
Then we get to the count 4 minutes until the deadline.
Massive snipefest ensues. Including this:
*very* interesting.
That's an attempt to get a 4-way tie involving alphabet soup, snoopdogg, alxeu, and jonti.
Based on this I'd say none of them are wolves. If they had been Livingstone might have hung back a bit more and let the village kill alphabet soup. (edit: or snoopdogg)
But he didn't.
That's also the last vote for day one, so I'm gonna stop here and continue in a new post.
That's three votes in quick succession. I can see where that marty hunt came from, at least. Misguided, of course, but still.
Notice Euro complaining about picking Livingstone. That's how a wolf might defend a packmate .. but not how Euro might. He actually has a pair.
What is this "capital" you speak of?
More wolf sign I didn't pick up on
Alxeu makes himself look bad. Again.
Now that's very deserved.
If euro were to try to save a packmate, *this* is how he'd do it.
[video=youtube;BQ4yd2W50No]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ4yd2W50No[/video]
Madchemist pressures the doctor for information.
He definitely isn't a wolf.
Then we get to the count 4 minutes until the deadline.
Massive snipefest ensues. Including this:
*very* interesting.
That's an attempt to get a 4-way tie involving alphabet soup, snoopdogg, alxeu, and jonti.
Based on this I'd say none of them are wolves. If they had been Livingstone might have hung back a bit more and let the village kill alphabet soup. (edit: or snoopdogg)
But he didn't.
That's also the last vote for day one, so I'm gonna stop here and continue in a new post.
Same capital I wouldn't spend on lynching marty for you in the big game.
It's all politics, you understand.
It's all politics, you understand.
So, first day vote swing it is:
That's three votes in quick succession. I can see where that marty hunt came from, at least. Misguided, of course, but still.
Notice Euro complaining about picking Livingstone. That's how a wolf might defend a packmate .. but not how Euro might. He actually has a pair.
What is this "capital" you speak of?
More wolf sign I didn't pick up on
Alxeu makes himself look bad. Again.
Now that's very deserved.
If euro were to try to save a packmate, *this* is how he'd do it.
[video=youtube;BQ4yd2W50No]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ4yd2W50No[/video]
Madchemist pressures the doctor for information.
He definitely isn't a wolf.
Then we get to the count 4 minutes until the deadline.
Massive snipefest ensues. Including this:
*very* interesting.
That's an attempt to get a 4-way tie involving alphabet soup, snoopdogg, alxeu, and jonti.
Based on this I'd say none of them are wolves. If they had been Livingstone might have hung back a bit more and let the village kill alphabet soup. But he didn't.
That's me commenting on the tie attempt. I missed that at the time, due to the other votes making the tie attempt futile. Or me being an idiot.
Me, commenting on the marty hunt. At least I have at least *one* wolf in there. The other two I would definitely not vote for though. Not with that last second tie attempt to kill them both by our dear doctor.
The first day 2 vote made by Livingstone.
I completely agree
Sheeple much?
err. Yeah, well. The theory also tends to be a good way to set up a scapegoat to attract wolves with, apparently.
A bit later ..
Actually I take it back. *don't* scan Alxeu. It's completely unnecessary with this attempt by Livingstone to kill him.
As further evidenced by:
More wolf sign. Yeah, I really wasn't paying attention to the game much yesterday, was I?
If not for his earlier attempts to kill alxeu I'd call this a classic alibi vote.
Add some more wishy-washy nonsense about non-existing wonderings.
At this point he deserved to be lynched.
More campaigning for ties, and more evidence that madchemist is good. And possibly Arkasas as well, though that evidence is a lot less strong.
This is where the end begins. For the doctor, that is.
That vote is something of an enigma. Lemeard, *not* campaigning for a tie?!?
Well, at least he's consistent
Aedan earns himself some goodie cred here.
We have to start being careful about these votes though - snoopdogg's campaign against livingstone means that the wolves might be getting fidgety right about now and wondering if they should start voting Livingstone themselves.
Case in point.
Apart from doing as he's told, making himself look good, and/or getting an alibi vote in? Dunno
.. and there's that ..
:rofl::rofl::rofl:
Well, what did you expect from Lemeard, really? ;-)
Alxeu is still trying to save himself.
One tip, good sir: If you really want to save yourself, the best way is to full out attack somebody you think is suspicious.
The second best way is to just keep your vote where it is and try to talk your way out. Until the very last second, that is.
Flailing around in the thread trying to put your vote somewhere that might save you? Not going to work.
You got lucky that Snoopdogg did the full out attacking for you
Because wolves, of course :O
.. of course.
Do we really need more evidence that Alxeu is good? No? Right.
That pushes Livingstone into the lead.
.. oh hey, Lemeard
General skobelev tries to restore the tie with Livingstone in the middle of it.
A significant vote giving him a lot of goodie cred. Especially if Alxeu is good. This is 2 minutes before the deadline, so his odds of saving livingstone by switching back are pretty much nil.
Hmm. One victim alone is better than none? You mean you don't want your pack to lose *more* than one member?
.. and that vote seals the nail in the coffin.
To be fair this is also Alxeu saving himself.
That's three votes in quick succession. I can see where that marty hunt came from, at least. Misguided, of course, but still.
Notice Euro complaining about picking Livingstone. That's how a wolf might defend a packmate .. but not how Euro might. He actually has a pair.
What is this "capital" you speak of?
More wolf sign I didn't pick up on
Alxeu makes himself look bad. Again.
Now that's very deserved.
If euro were to try to save a packmate, *this* is how he'd do it.
[video=youtube;BQ4yd2W50No]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQ4yd2W50No[/video]
Madchemist pressures the doctor for information.
He definitely isn't a wolf.
Then we get to the count 4 minutes until the deadline.
Massive snipefest ensues. Including this:
*very* interesting.
That's an attempt to get a 4-way tie involving alphabet soup, snoopdogg, alxeu, and jonti.
Based on this I'd say none of them are wolves. If they had been Livingstone might have hung back a bit more and let the village kill alphabet soup. But he didn't.
That's me commenting on the tie attempt. I missed that at the time, due to the other votes making the tie attempt futile. Or me being an idiot.
Me, commenting on the marty hunt. At least I have at least *one* wolf in there. The other two I would definitely not vote for though. Not with that last second tie attempt to kill them both by our dear doctor.
The first day 2 vote made by Livingstone.
I completely agree
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Sheeple much?
err. Yeah, well. The theory also tends to be a good way to set up a scapegoat to attract wolves with, apparently.
A bit later ..
Actually I take it back. *don't* scan Alxeu. It's completely unnecessary with this attempt by Livingstone to kill him.
As further evidenced by:
How are we supposed to restore tie now?
This statement makes me sad for lost tie.
But I guess I have no choice, otherwise I could be next...
Unvote Madchemist
Vote Alexu
More wolf sign. Yeah, I really wasn't paying attention to the game much yesterday, was I?
If not for his earlier attempts to kill alxeu I'd call this a classic alibi vote.
Add some more wishy-washy nonsense about non-existing wonderings.
At this point he deserved to be lynched.
A TIE would solve these sorts of things. But we can't have TIEs, can we euro.
More campaigning for ties, and more evidence that madchemist is good. And possibly Arkasas as well, though that evidence is a lot less strong.
This is where the end begins. For the doctor, that is.
That vote is something of an enigma. Lemeard, *not* campaigning for a tie?!?
Well, at least he's consistent
Aedan earns himself some goodie cred here.
We have to start being careful about these votes though - snoopdogg's campaign against livingstone means that the wolves might be getting fidgety right about now and wondering if they should start voting Livingstone themselves.
Case in point.
Apart from doing as he's told, making himself look good, and/or getting an alibi vote in? Dunno
.. and there's that ..
:rofl::rofl::rofl:
Well, what did you expect from Lemeard, really? ;-)
Alxeu is still trying to save himself.
One tip, good sir: If you really want to save yourself, the best way is to full out attack somebody you think is suspicious.
The second best way is to just keep your vote where it is and try to talk your way out. Until the very last second, that is.
Flailing around in the thread trying to put your vote somewhere that might save you? Not going to work.
You got lucky that Snoopdogg did the full out attacking for you
Because wolves, of course :O
.. of course.
Do we really need more evidence that Alxeu is good? No? Right.
That pushes Livingstone into the lead.
.. oh hey, Lemeard
General skobelev tries to restore the tie with Livingstone in the middle of it.
A significant vote giving him a lot of goodie cred. Especially if Alxeu is good. This is 2 minutes before the deadline, so his odds of saving livingstone by switching back are pretty much nil.
Hmm. One victim alone is better than none? You mean you don't want your pack to lose *more* than one member?
.. and that vote seals the nail in the coffin.
To be fair this is also Alxeu saving himself.
Oh.
I really hate politics
So, putting all of this together, it's time to make a list of people I will not vote today.
List of people I will not vote today
Myself:
- Randakar
Definitely good:
- Snoopdogg
- Madchemist
- Alxeu
- EUROO7
Quite probably good:
- Jonti-h
- Aedan777
- General Skobelev
Unsure but still not going to vote for today
- Lemeard
The only problem with analysis like this is that it tells you who *not* to vote.
That doesn't make it easier to figure out who I *should* vote.
However, with a list of 9 people I don't want to vote, 12 players in the game, 3 wolves remaining, and only 3 people that are *not* on that list .. if I did this right, all that is left are wolves
Players remaining:
2. Gen. Skobelev as Angelina Pivarnick aka Angelina
5. Arkasas as Vito Gigi aka The Impact
7. EUROO7 as Vincent Guadagnino aka Vinny
8. madchemist as Chris Christie aka The Machine
9. aedan777 as Deena Nicole Cortese aka Deena
11. Lemeard as Lemeard Bambino aka Orange Juice
12. alxeu as Pauly Mortadella aka The Stallion
13. jonti-h as Sam Mortadella aka Fist Pump
14. THE_SPLIT as Samantha Giancola aka Sammi Sweetheart
15. snoopdogg as Michael Sorrentino aka The Situation
16. drakodra as Danny Braciole aka The Clubber
17. randakar as Ronald Ortiz-Magro aka Ronnie
People remaining after analysis:
5. Arkasas as Vito Gigi aka The Impact
14. THE_SPLIT as Samantha Giancola aka Sammi Sweetheart
16. drakodra as Danny Braciole aka The Clubber
Perhaps I should add Lemeard to that as well. I'm not sure about him for a reason ;-)
Anyway, let's start off with my old enemy:
Vote THE_SPLIT
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"In the end, Randy realized it wasn't some dark supernatural force that guided him. He had the courage and wits about him to analyze all his own."
Only because it will utterly consume Split on the inside:
[video=youtube;Qtb11P1FWnc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qtb11P1FWnc[/video]
Only because it will utterly consume Split on the inside:
THE_SPLIT, ARKASAS, DRAKODRA
Because I asked nicely?
I kind of like Randy's list. However, his goodiness is far from guaranteed deal at this stage. I also don't know why you are giving Lemeard and jonti-h free pass at this stage (apart from them being oldies), apart from process of eliminationg.
Lemeard was pursuing TIE, for sure, but in the end almost ended up with madchemist on the ropes. The same was almost result of alxeu flailing around but he was in constant danger from Livingstone so I'd give him a pass for that, and for his final vote on Livingstone. Of course it's a bit harder to read when Livingstone and alxeu were one-upping each other with unvoting but there it is.
On the other hand jonti-h hasn't been doing anything. Now, that's not sign of baddiness as he tends to have teflon skin whatever his role is. I wouldn't necessarily put him into the quite probably good camp, unless you have something on him that I missed (which is very possible, even likely). It's true that the three you named are better candidates (and thus by process of elimination jonti is more likely good that them) but that still doesn't mean jonti would make it to the likely goodie list.
I like the three candidates you have. I'm going to do what I started yesterday with and
vote Arkasas
for his bandwagonish moves on days 1 and 2. Also, I know you were typing that post as you were reading but I found
quite funny, especially in light of the conclusion. I didn't really find Arkasas getting much goodie points in any part of the night.
To be honest I wanted to have Livingstone in tie with alxeu since their hormone treatment seemed to have gone overboard. But with the votes moving to madchemist I wanted to be sure of Livingstone's demise, at least.
Jonti because of Livingstone trying to put him into a four-way tie on day one. It's not exactly definite (because of timing issues, actually) but if that snipe of his had succeeded jonti would be dead now.
Lemeard, because .. well, actually, I don't really know. I was going to put him trying to put Livingstone into a tie as a sign of goodness, but .. it's Lemeard ;-)
Agreed.
See above.
There's a reason I said "quite possibly". If there had been a follow-up to put Arkasas in any actual danger, I might have actually credited it.
It's good enough for me, really. The point is that you definitely tried to kill Livingstone there (and arguably, succeeded).
So yeah, my list has flaws. Make of that what you will. It wouldn't be the first time I were to have such a list go through revisions.
Ah, right. I didn't see that as a vote to kill jonti since the timing and votes required was so awkward to pull off. I read it more like he wanted to avoid tie in case some of the AsdfeZxcas voters would have switched. Also, it read to me more like alibi vote than real attempt at his life since, as you say, timing.
Yup. When I was reading your commentary that part stood up a bit and I had to point it out immediately. In the end the conclusions were slightly different, though, so yeah.
It's good enough for me to know I'm villager.
But with the very complicated voting sequence yesterday I think quite a few players that were active scored goodie points.So yeah, my list has flaws. Make of that what you will. It wouldn't be the first time I were to have such a list go through revisions.
Actually it's quite thorough and impressive. I wish more players spent the effort like that. When I went through the thread I got similar wibes, except jonti and Lemeard would be somewhat lower in the goodiness pole than with you. Different measuring sticks, I suppose, since I still agree with your top 3 suspects for now.
edit: also, for obvious reasons, your role is somewhat of a question mark for me.
Vote drakodra
Will see how busy I am today, but I think I will need a sub today....
Will see how busy I am today, but I think I will need a sub today....
A sub for the wolf, ladies and gentlemen. How about it, Marshall? Ready to sub in for yet another wolf who's failed his team?
A very nice summary there, randakar. My feelings are on the whole pretty similar; I think alxeu is good, snoop gets a lot of credit for starting the Livingstone run, and I'm inclined to put aedan and Skobie into the definitely good camp as well. I'm not so sure why you think EURO is clear; it seemed like he kept voting either alxeu or me to a much greater extent and at more critical times. THE_SPLIT, Ark, and drakodra are all fine options, and I believe randakar should also remain on the suspect list for now.
Drakodra is still operating on the new player grace period, so I will
Vote THE_SPLIT
to start off.
Drakodra is still operating on the new player grace period, so I will
Vote THE_SPLIT
to start off.