Victoria 3 - Dev Diary #82 - Voice of the People

[BrotherJonathan]

every third person thinks the game is crashing and burning.

So the forum IG's so to speak are still basically where they've been since launch then I guess?

Victoria III forum IGs:
- Fanboys
- Mostly content
- Neutral/Wait and see
- Constructive critics
- Trolls/Paranoiacs

 

[$ilent_$trider]

Well, I see more like the Armed Forces IG of the forum being radicalized.

 

[$ilent_$trider]

every third person thinks the game is crashing and burning.

To the person disagreeing, is it because I got the fraction wrong? Every second person? Every fourth?

 

[wilcoxchar]

To the person disagreeing, is it because I got the fraction wrong? Every second person? Every fourth?

Now the fraction is correct.

 

[Promethium555]

HoI4 also charged:

1. Full price for a focus tree for the Commonwealth Minors (So really only India had something worthwhile and arguably Canada) and lend-lease
2. Full price for Axis Minors focus tree and the Czechs (Romania was like the only focus tree with any worth in it due to the switcharoo) and equipment conversion
3. Full Price for the Chinese focus trees (Literally just the two because the minors had copy-pasted focus trees) and the more in-depth general mechanics and decisions

Let's not kid ourselves, only recently did HoI4 DLC became worth their price. Waking the Tiger was the first one due to the general system and the addition of decisions that led to a lot of really great mod additions, but the ones prior were fairly horrible for what they offered. That said Vicky 3 is better than HoI so far, because at least we don't have to pay for majority access to the new features.

im not saying hoi4 was a gold standard of dlc policy, but I can't see any of those examples being worse than $15 for flavor for a single country. Also, remember that more work goes into hoi4 focus trees than journal entries.

 

[osvaldopiazzolla]

Historically speaking, Bonapartists should endorse universal suffrage, not oppose it.

I would argue that their stance on the matter is largely opportunistic. In 1836, they were basically nostalgic of thirty years ago but no credible leader existed. They certainly are not monarchists, as in France this means you're on the side of the Ancien Regime. I guess in game terms it is because Bonapartism necessarily leads to a Monarch. Monarchists, be they Legitimists or Juilletistes consider Bonapartists as the heirs of the Révolution : the enemy. That said, their France from 1815 to 1848 largely inherited and did not change the administrative structure of the Empire . And twelve years later, the tour de force by Louis Napoléon was to surprisingly win the first presidential election with very heterogeneous support, including the Monarchists, because there was a more pressing danger for them (republicans)

 

[Jayvee94]

im not saying hoi4 was a gold standard of dlc policy, but I can't see any of those examples being worse than $15 for flavor for a single country. Also, remember that more work goes into hoi4 focus trees than journal entries.

While the Immersion Pack is indeed focused on France, IT IS NOT LIMITED TO IT. We do have many "pre-made" agitators available who came from German Poland, Russia, etc. Additionally, let's not underestimate the impact of France in Victorian Europe. It is the historical hotbed for the Springtime of the Peoples.

 

[Super-Soviet]

I would argue that their stance on the matter is largely opportunistic. In 1836, they were basically nostalgic of thirty years ago but no credible leader existed. They certainly are not monarchists, as in France this means you're on the side of the Ancien Regime. I guess in game terms it is because Bonapartism necessarily leads to a Monarch. Monarchists, be they Legitimists or Juilletistes consider Bonapartists as the heirs of the Révolution : the enemy. That said, their France from 1815 to 1848 largely inherited and did not change the administrative structure of the Empire . And twelve years later, the tour de force by Louis Napoléon was to surprisingly win the first presidential election with very heterogeneous support, including the Monarchists, because there was a more pressing danger for them (republicans)

I won't deny Louis Napoleon was a very opportunistic politician, but having browsed through his political writings and his biography of Julius Caesar a belief that mass democracy logically implies a powerful Caesarist leader (be it a President or a Monarch) is the one thing that never really changes, and provides the core around which he can rotate a series of less well-defined and malleable positions.

In many ways Louis Napoleon's view of democracy wasn't that different from that of many contemporary Liberals who opposed or were reluctant to implement universal suffrage, he just happened to view a purely majoritarian democracy empowering a single individual as a desirable form of government, so long as the ruler was an enlightened one (and himself).

 

[osvaldopiazzolla]

I won't deny Louis Napoleon was a very opportunistic politician, but having browsed through his political writings and his biography of Julius Caesar a belief that mass democracy logically implies a powerful Caesarist leader (be it a President or a Monarch) is the one thing that never really changes, and provides the core around which he can rotate a series of less well-defined and malleable positions.

In many ways Louis Napoleon's view of democracy wasn't that different from that of many contemporary Liberals who opposed or were reluctant to implement universal suffrage, he just happened to view a purely majoritarian democracy empowering a single individual as a desirable form of government, so long as the ruler was an enlightened one (and himself).

True enough and Louis Napoléon in 1836 is even a socialist as a writer. In game terms, he is an exiled agitator. In 1848, he even is a sincere Repuplican at first. But in 1836, he is also a ridiculed leader with a few catastrophic attempts at a coup. In that sense, Bonapartism does not really have an uncontested leader in 1836 (and that's very different in 1848) and is a motley patchwork of people and ideas (especially in the Armed Forces and Petit Bourgeois IGs to speak in game terms) whose common ground is a hatred for the Ancien Regime, a distrust for democracy and a nostalgy for Napoleonic France (not necessarily its *Imperial conquests, actually : Napoleonic France is also about making revolutionary ideal fit into a structure of order fit for patriotic purposes and technocratic eficiency). That's how I view it anyway.

 

[Panagean]

So the forum IG's so to speak are still basically where they've been since launch then I guess?

Victoria III forum IGs:
- Fanboys
- Mostly content
- Neutral/Wait and see
- Constructive critics
- Trolls/Paranoiacs

Maybe "Victoria 2 Reactionaries" could be a good localisation for one of the last two of those??