Victoria 3 - Dev Diary #100 - Anniversary Update Changelog

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Could you expand on the "Presence" mechanic?

• Will this effect convoy raiding/convoy raiding efficiency?
• Will this impact the likely hood of being able to intercept an enemy fleet?
• Will low Presence lower combat efficiency? I.E the fleet moving into a Sea Node to attack has a malice applied?

Fleet Presence builds up from 0 to 100% while a fleet is stationary in a sea node, and during this time it scales the effectiveness of all commander orders. This means interception, convoy raiding, and convoy defense at the moment, maybe more in the future. In practice this means that when you first arrive in a node you will be pretty ineffective there, and you have to remain there to build up effectiveness. The intent with this feature is to avoid "cat-and-mouse" games - it's always been our intent that you'd position your fleets in strategically relevant nodes and create tangible effects there over time, not chase enemy fleets around the map to try to sink them. Fleet Presence means you're disincentivized from immediately moving away from a node just because an enemy fleet arrived there - it should be better for you to remain and deal your full damage for a while before a naval battle starts, than to move away and resume what you're doing elsewhere, forcing a chase.

However, if you have just arrived at a node and an enemy fleet intercepts you shortly thereafter, Fleet Presence normally won't impact you. If your Order applies some sort of combat efficiency bonus, which a few of the new "special" orders do, this bonus will not be applied in full but you will not be attacked in a disorganized state with heavy combat penalties or anything like that.

• For example, if I have a fleet in Gibraltar sea node as Great Britain trying to block Italians from leaving the Mediterranean will this have a high chance of interception once the "Presence" has built?

Sort of. At the moment interception only works between fleets deployed in that sea node, not ships "passing through". We'd like it to work more like the latter in the future, but it has heavy implications for AI and the travel mechanics, so we can't make that happen quite yet.

What laws does corporatism support and how exactly is it related to the devout? When i googled it the only things that showed up didn't seem to have any apparent connection to religion

See below: [LINK]

A shame that the new migration system didn't make it but I am really looking forward to enjoying a more polished experience after so long playing the betas!

Yeah, it had too many side effects that would take too long to solve, but we're definitely not shelving it - on paper it's a much better way of handling migration, both for legibility and performance, so we'll reintegrate it in a better state for the next (non-hotfix) update.

This is just awesome!

Will fleets automatically return to their order after the defeated flags are cleared?

They will maintain their orders but they will not automatically return to their position. We considered this but felt it would be frustrating to have fleets automatically bashing their heads against the same wall over and over again unless manually redirected, so you'll be notified when they're ready to be re-deployed and you have to send them back out again.

What's attrition look like now when patrolling a sea node at peace? I worry depending on attrition and Fleet Presence gain it might just end up being something you only have to do once a diplo play starts.

Peacetime naval attrition is always zero. Once war starts, fleets will start to suffer a baseline amount of attrition but it will be reduced if they're in their home HQ. So you can position your fleets however you want with no risk, even during a Diplomatic Play, and not suffer attrition until the war begins.

Do convoy raiding/defense still work as in 1.4 version where a fleet can be raiding on one side of the atlantic sea node and another defending on the other sea node?
Where defense order will still provide some benefit to convoy protection and the convoy raiding will still apply but a battle will never be triggered unless they are moved into the same node? And we still get the little pop up notifications for a list of potential sea nodes we are being raided in!

No, everything is local now, because we wanted to reinforce the idea of the physical location of formations (fleets and armies). So while you would protect trade in 1.4 by selecting a remote HQ and then patrol the whole route between your home and remote HQ, in 1.5 you will escort convoys in a particular sea node which will only affect that exact node. The changes we've made to Fleet Presence should assist in letting you plan properly for which nodes are most susceptible to attack and therefore needs some convoy raiding defense, and allowing you appropriate reaction time when your plans don't work out as intended.

Does army attrition remains that high like in the beta? And having multiples generals in a formation still increases attrition? Because it discourages players to have many generals in a formation, so its better to have a single big level marshall

No, this has been fixed. Attrition is no longer tracked on commander level but on whole-formation level, and stacking commanders have no impact on attrition.

You mention changes to pop growth in the modding section. Could you clarify if it's now possible to have different pop growth rates for different pop types? i.e. in a fantasy mod have pops with elf heritage have a slower growth rate.

Yes, there are now specific pop growth modifiers for each Profession type (called `pop_type` in script).

Will pop growth be decoupled from total arable land?
Instead of it pop growth would depend on urbanization and arable land.

Some mod had urbanization/(arable land+urbanization) function that means more urbanized states had slower pop growth.
If you build stuff that rapidly increased urban center levels, then state was slowing its growth rapidly.

We've done a lot of work on pop growth. The arable land factor remains, as it's meant to represent a growth in the population of settlers across "virgin" land or birth rate stalling out due to lack of available land to settle, but there are several additional factors now as well. We felt Urbanization is more of a secondary influence on birth rate so it has no direct effect, but both Literacy (reduces birth rate) and Pollution (increases Mortality) now have effects on pop growth. Since both Literacy and Pollution tends to be higher in urban areas we still get a similar effect to the mod you're talking about, but with more levers to pull.

Hello,

What performance recommandation should we expect for Apple Silicon chips ? Have you a benchmark to provide ? Thanks !

I'm afraid all I know is "it runs faster now". Our minimum and recommended specs still apply as before.

• Services, Electricity and Transportation are now local goods whose prices are fully set based on local production and consumption and whose market price plays no role at all

Does this mean Electricity needs to be made in each state?

If you want to use Electricity-using PMs there, yes. We've also made it impossible to toggle certain PMs on if the building has no access to the goods in question, which includes Electricity. This can be a little fiddly when you're playing a larger country, we're working on some improved UI tools to manage this smoother in an upcoming hotfix, but more on that next week.

Yes, we have seen this. Yes, it is also funny.

Awesome! Are there any changes in the patch compared to the 1.5-beta branch on Steam?

Quite a bit, yeah. But it was already a major PITA to distinguish the things we'd done from 1.4 to final release of 1.5 for this changelog without accidentally including the interim beta updates, so we didn't have the time to also distinguish the changes from 1.5.5 to 1.5.7 (the former being the final beta release and the latter being the release version). Suffice to say, a lot of things have been fixed or improved in the interim.

This update sounds fantastic.

I can't wait to start a game. Will it be compatible with saves done under the open beta?

Save games are not going to be compatible. Too many underlying changes have happened in the meantime.

Heard the naval invasions were updated, but didn't see it in the log.

There's a couple of things spread here and there about naval invasions. If you search the text for the keywords, you'll find them.
Biggest one is "Naval Invasion Planner / Panel: New interfaces and mechanics for improved control and insight into your naval invasions." which incorporates a couple of things.

 

[Consagrado]

Positivism was one of the factors in the end of the republic and had extreme influence within the Brazilian army, will Deodoro da Fonseca and the military receive this ideology?

 

[Lamartine]

I'm very excited for this update, but I'm going to be honest, I'm not reading all that

 

[Taylor_]

Love all the new modding support! Thanks, excellent job guys.

 

[magriboy0750]

Good afternoon,a great DD and update,and thanks for all these modding changes.They are awesome.However,a question:
Is It possible for you in a future patch,if time permits to add effects for add/remove state resources potentials?I think this can be very helpful for modders.
Thanks for any replies about this.

 

[MathyM]

YAY, we finally have a date. Really happy with the changes. I love local prices and reverse sways.

Has Pedro II's hair color been fixed?

 

[Prob32]

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• Fleets now have a Presence in a Sea Node which affects the effectiveness of Admiral Orders in that Sea Node. Presence is reset whenever a Fleet moves.
• Naval Orders in a Sea Node are now visualized on an emblem surrounding the node
• Fleets and ongoing wars are now listed in Sea Region Panel

Could you expand on the "Presence" mechanic?

• Will this effect convoy raiding/convoy raiding efficiency?
• Will this impact the likely hood of being able to intercept an enemy fleet?
• Will low Presence lower combat efficiency? I.E the fleet moving into a Sea Node to attack has a malice applied?
• For example, if I have a fleet in Gibraltar sea node as Great Britain trying to block Italians from leaving the Mediterranean will this have a high chance of interception once the "Presence" has built?

 

[BrotherJonathan]

Glad that Chile is no longer a recommended tutorial nation. I tried that multiple times for learning the game and I always wound up going bankrupt by like the mid 1840s.

 

[anroid]

Thanks for the Apple Silicon Support, it's much appreciated!

 

[SanicK]

What a massive update. It's looking really good. Keep up the good work!

 

[DrRitterstein]

What laws does corporatism support and how exactly is it related to the devout? When i googled it the only things that showed up didn't seem to have any apparent connection to religion

 

[BrotherJonathan]

What laws does corporatism support and how exactly is it related to the devout? When i googled it the only things that showed up didn't seem to have any apparent connection to religion

Initially, the idea of corporatism began in the late 1800s as religiously-acceptable alternative to both liberal capitalism and socialism. In practice, it doesn't seem to have really gained a ton of traction outside of majority-Catholic nations, and was eventually swallowed by fascism in the 1920s.

 

[Nopeless]

* I'm reposting this from DD 99 in hope of getting an answer from the devs, everyone is free to complement the points presented and give constructive criticism regarding the issue.


We all know seeing is believing, so we must wait to properly judge the direction they took on the narratives.

That being said, does anyone here know if the upcoming update addresses the "rigged civil war (glitch?)" by any chance? - The one where you build barracks in the capital and lands you will keep in the civil war and delete all others so you're sure to win quickly and easily regardless of how powerful/how much land the rebels acquire. As such, you just killed all the troublesome IG`s influence essentially for free.

Such "mechanic" completely breaks the narratives and reason to accomplish the JEs proposed by the update, besides all the trouble it already causes in the base game.

It also sounds like a hard problem to solve, since technically it's a smart move that could be done IRL (that being the equivalent of rallying all the armed forces to your side, not that rare to happen really) and any attempts towards a solution would mean limiting the player's control in some way.

A plausible way to minimise it would be creating a threshold where if the rebellious IGs are the only powerful ones, they should launch a coup instantly after the secession countdown finishes with no way to counteract. Keeping in mind that mechanics cannot be overcomplicated, the logic where the armed forces are the key for a civil war or coup to happen can be ignored, since it can be understood that the powerful IG has a good amount of influence in the armed forces as well (which means that the armed forces IG itself does not need to directly support and can even oppose the powerful IG but that wouldn't matter).

The player should only be able to oppose them if they have a powerful IG at their side - that is, supporting the law being enacted. That would be both somewhat realistic and would give the player a reason to play by the rules at least for enough time that even when able to fire and rig a civil war there would be significant drawbacks.

That would make it so normally it should be wiser to keep weakening the troublesome IG and empowering another through the intended way (instead of just stomping the opposition pretty much day 1 with no repercussions like currently) and regardless of the "glitch", a civil war would then impact the growth you achieved until then because of how the rebels partially dismantle your economy for their country to survive, therefore presenting an active risk if you wish to crush the opposition.

Also, the coup launched by the powerful rebellious IG should present a significant threat by insta-enacting 2 laws to their liking (2 could be a bit much by default, maybe it could depend on how powerful they were at the time) or get a buff to their clout, making it even harder to combat them in the end if you don't proceed carefully.

I could elaborate much more on this and how it would synergise with the Brazil content pretty well, given the main narrative about the power struggle with the Landowners and the introduction of an instant coup being possible but this thing got this long already so I'll leave any further explanations for future answers.

 

[lachek]

Could you expand on the "Presence" mechanic?

• Will this effect convoy raiding/convoy raiding efficiency?
• Will this impact the likely hood of being able to intercept an enemy fleet?
• Will low Presence lower combat efficiency? I.E the fleet moving into a Sea Node to attack has a malice applied?

Fleet Presence builds up from 0 to 100% while a fleet is stationary in a sea node, and during this time it scales the effectiveness of all commander orders. This means interception, convoy raiding, and convoy defense at the moment, maybe more in the future. In practice this means that when you first arrive in a node you will be pretty ineffective there, and you have to remain there to build up effectiveness. The intent with this feature is to avoid "cat-and-mouse" games - it's always been our intent that you'd position your fleets in strategically relevant nodes and create tangible effects there over time, not chase enemy fleets around the map to try to sink them. Fleet Presence means you're disincentivized from immediately moving away from a node just because an enemy fleet arrived there - it should be better for you to remain and deal your full damage for a while before a naval battle starts, than to move away and resume what you're doing elsewhere, forcing a chase.

However, if you have just arrived at a node and an enemy fleet intercepts you shortly thereafter, Fleet Presence normally won't impact you. If your Order applies some sort of combat efficiency bonus, which a few of the new "special" orders do, this bonus will not be applied in full but you will not be attacked in a disorganized state with heavy combat penalties or anything like that.

• For example, if I have a fleet in Gibraltar sea node as Great Britain trying to block Italians from leaving the Mediterranean will this have a high chance of interception once the "Presence" has built?

Sort of. At the moment interception only works between fleets deployed in that sea node, not ships "passing through". We'd like it to work more like the latter in the future, but it has heavy implications for AI and the travel mechanics, so we can't make that happen quite yet.

 

[EmeraldThanatos]

Turtle Island content?! Let’s gooo

 

[Rabid]

A shame that the new migration system didn't make it but I am really looking forward to enjoying a more polished experience after so long playing the betas!

 

[anbeck]

This is just awesome!

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• Implemented a feature where each time an Admiral loses a battle, he's marked as defeated. When a fleet is composed of only defeated admirals, it's forced to return to its home HQ. Once reaching the HQ all defeated flags are cleared.

Will fleets automatically return to their order after the defeated flags are cleared?

 

[WombatOverlord]

Fleet Presence builds up from 0 to 100% while a fleet is stationary in a sea node, and during this time it scales the effectiveness of all commander orders. This means interception, convoy raiding, and convoy defense at the moment, maybe more in the future. In practice this means that when you first arrive in a node you will be pretty ineffective there, and you have to remain there to build up effectiveness. The intent with this feature is to avoid "cat-and-mouse" games - it's always been our intent that you'd position your fleets in strategically relevant nodes and create tangible effects there over time, not chase enemy fleets around the map to try to sink them. Fleet Presence means you're disincentivized from immediately moving away from a node just because an enemy fleet arrived there - it should be better for you to remain and deal your full damage for a while before a naval battle starts, than to move away and resume what you're doing elsewhere, forcing a chase.

However, if you have just arrived at a node and an enemy fleet intercepts you shortly thereafter, Fleet Presence normally won't impact you. If your Order applies some sort of combat efficiency bonus, which a few of the new "special" orders do, this bonus will not be applied in full but you will not be attacked in a disorganized state with heavy combat penalties or anything like that.

Sort of. At the moment interception only works between fleets deployed in that sea node, not ships "passing through". We'd like it to work more like the latter in the future, but it has heavy implications for AI and the travel mechanics, so we can't make that happen quite yet.

What's attrition look like now when patrolling a sea node at peace? I worry depending on attrition and Fleet Presence gain it might just end up being something you only have to do once a diplo play starts.

 

[PDX_Asteraceae]

What laws does corporatism support and how exactly is it related to the devout? When i googled it the only things that showed up didn't seem to have any apparent connection to religion

See below: