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Stellaris Dev Diary #29 - Pop Factions & Elections

Greetings fellow Spacers!

Today’s dev diary is about Pop Factions and Elections, which might sound like two wildly different topics, but they actually have some common ground. Let’s start with the Pop Factions. Now, as you know, each individual unit of population (a.k.a. “Pop”), has its own race, ethos and possibly even genetic differences compared to its species of origin. People who live far from the capital world of an empire - especially those who live in Administrative Sectors - tend to diverge in their Ethics over time. When you combine this with alien immigration and the conquest of alien worlds, you will soon have to deal with a potentially explosive mix of cultural diversity. As your empire grows, it will get harder and harder to keep everyone happy and your core group of loyalists might eventually find itself a minority. Discontent can manifest in two ways; the happiness of an individual Pop, and the growth of “Factions”, a type of political movement.

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Unhappy Pops will tend to join or start the most appropriate Faction, depending on the reasons for their discontent. The most basic (and probably most dangerous) type of Faction is the Separatists, who desire independence. There are actually three Separatist variations; some want freedom for a single planet, some want their Sector to secede, and some are integrated aliens who seek the restoration of their lost empire. Another important Faction is the Democracy Faction, whose member Pops might prefer a change of Government Form, or just the right to vote (for example in the case of alien Pops who are denied the vote through a Policy.) There are other Factions as well, but one thing they all have in common is that you can actually deal with them before things get violent. This is an important use for Influence (and sometimes Energy Credits.) For example, you could bribe the Faction leader to prevent a revolt for a time, or you could grant a Separatist Faction limited independence as a vassal state. There are different potential actions depending on which type of Faction it is.

This brings us to Elections and how they tie into the overall scheme. All of the Democratic Government Forms in the game have Elections, though the terms might vary. One difference between the various forms of democracy is which leader characters are the most valid and supported candidates for the chief executive office. In a Military Republic, for example, your Admirals and Generals tend to win the elections. However, all of the Faction leaders are also valid candidates; even the ones who seek independence for their species. If a Faction leader wins an election, that does not mean that their demands are immediately met, however. Instead, what happens is that the Faction becomes passive and will not revolt, which is great for you. Unfortunately, it also increases the attraction of the Faction, which means that it is likely to get far more member Pops…

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Does the player have any direct control over Election outcomes? Yes, you can spend Influence in order to campaign for the candidate of your choice, but it’s not a sure thing, and the cost can be prohibitive if the candidate enjoys little popular support.

The main point of the Faction system is that big empires should become unstable and challenging to keep together. You should see a lot of dynamism in the galaxy, with many big empires descending into civil wars and breaking up. Of course, a lot of this depends on your choice of Ethics and general play style (using slavery and purges, etc), which trades internal stability for increased external pressure…

That’s all for now folks! Stay tuned for next week...
 
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yes looks sooooo good and can we purge pops?
You can also purge the pops in the faction...

Why is everybody so fixated on genocide, mass murder, purging, and oppression? I mean it's cool that it is in the game, which makes it feel realistic given all the atrocities from human history, but hell it sounds like half the people here are gonna spend their free time with virtual genocide come 9th of may, which I find.. weird?
 
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Very interesting. Too bad there is no repressive way to deal with factions, in KGB / Gestapo fashion.

I could be mis-remembering, but I'm pretty sure you can assassinate faction leaders.
 
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Will ethics divergence of pops be influenced by in game factors or is it random?

For example, will pops living close to a hostile alien border (and getting frequently raided) become more xenophobic and militaristic over time? Or pop's living in an energy credit rich region becoming more materialistic over time?

It would be interesting to see a direct correlation between the situation of pops and how their ethics diverge, rather than just random divergence.
 
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Very interesting. Too bad there is no repressive way to deal with factions, in KGB / Gestapo fashion.
 
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Yeah, it worries me too. I love Paradox games, but some of their fanbase are a little worrying.
It is just a game. Damn, we are also "fixated" about wars, in every PDS game. It's nothing to worry about.
 
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Stellaris will become the new GTA when it comes to blaming violence on video games.

Every time a kid makes himself a military dictator and conducts systematic purges against members of non-human species in his neighborhood, well we all know what will happen, they will blame Stellaris.
 
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How easy is it to peacefully change the empire ethics?
 
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Is the "random" selection if you don't spend influence completely random, or is it weighted by factors (like the size of factions supporting a leader, or the skill of the leader).

Because it would be a bit irritating to have to spend out to avoid a 1 in 4 chance of Thicky Mc Thick, leader of the insignificant Useless Faction from being elected over other better, more logical candidates.

(or, as in the screenshot, either the two nobodies having more of a chance of being elected than the quite skilled one.

Please refer to current US election campaign, thx. Unfortunately, the electorate doesn't always go for the better candidate
 
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Why is everybody so fixated on genocide, mass murder, purging, and oppression? I mean it's cool that it is in the game, which makes it feel realistic given all the atrocities from human history, but hell it sounds like half the people here are gonna spend their free time with virtual genocide come 9th of may, which I find.. weird?

For me it's because it's something that's not usually included in the games that I play. One of the reasons I'm interested in Stellaris is because it feels like a breath of fresh air.
There simply aren't a lot of games out there that let me build a empire on the back of slaves while ruthlessly executing everyone I don't like.
 
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Why is everybody so fixated on genocide, mass murder, purging, and oppression? I mean it's cool that it is in the game, which makes it feel realistic given all the atrocities from human history, but hell it sounds like half the people here are gonna spend their free time with virtual genocide come 9th of may, which I find.. weird?

Yeah, it worries me too. I love Paradox games, but some of their fanbase are a little worrying.
 
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Why is everybody so fixated on genocide, mass murder, purging, and oppression? I mean it's cool that it is in the game, which makes it feel realistic given all the atrocities from human history, but hell it sounds like half the people here are gonna spend their free time with virtual genocide come 9th of may, which I find.. weird?
You sound suspiciously like someone from pacifist-xenophile faction. o_O
Mostly 40k fans, I think. Acting out favorite scifi universes and tropes is something I think most of us will be doing at some point. Their bag just happens to be a tad on the grim dark.
Not really, our passion for repressions, genocides and incest was known long before that. It just looks like WH when PD finally took it all to space.
 
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If a Faction leader wins an election, that does not mean that their demands are immediately met, however. Instead, what happens is that the Faction becomes passive and will not revolt, which is great for you. Unfortunately, it also increases the attraction of the Faction, which means that it is likely to get far more member Pops…
You know what I would absolutely love to see? If a faction leader wins elections, but during his reign the empire would fall on hard times, lose wars, see budget deficit, etc., his faction loses most of popularity and pops leave it because they are disillusioned.
 
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Why is everybody so fixated on genocide, mass murder, purging, and oppression? I mean it's cool that it is in the game, which makes it feel realistic given all the atrocities from human history, but hell it sounds like half the people here are gonna spend their free time with virtual genocide come 9th of may, which I find.. weird?

Most people are going to play human so... it just make perfect sense. You know destroying stuff you can't understand, xenophobia etc...
 
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Why is everybody so fixated on genocide, mass murder, purging, and oppression? I mean it's cool that it is in the game, which makes it feel realistic given all the atrocities from human history, but hell it sounds like half the people here are gonna spend their free time with virtual genocide come 9th of may, which I find.. weird?

Yeah, it worries me too. I love Paradox games, but some of their fanbase are a little worrying.

It is pretty disconcerting to read all this "genocide, mass murder, purging, and oppression" for month. I mean, It's not like that option isn't already in the game, so no reason to say it in every second thread or news.

I too have concerns about people in this forum. People who think games should be played their way and no other, people who confuse reality and video games. People who find it 'worrying' what people do on their own, with their own money and time. People who find it disconcerting to read about people who are excited to Role Play as their favorite fictional empires.

Accept that people have interests that differ from yours. Accept that others have better imaginations than you, and can play as an evil empire without being evil themselves. Accept that you have no right to say they shouldn't enjoy playing out a fantasy version of their favorite space operas.

Listen to the heretic, give medical aid to the mutant, wash the unclean.

I don't know why people keep confusing the Imperium for a sympathetic character.

Cute, I approve :)
Honestly the Imperium is interesting because it cannot be judged by modern morals. It lives in a universe where it is quite literally possible for your thoughts to not only kill you, but damn you to eternal damnation. An open mind is easily manipulated by the powers of chaos, and someone with the best intentions can find themselves driven insane and become the very thing they once despised.
I don't think anyone would say the Imperium is 'good' by our standards, but it is 'good' by the standards of the universe in which it lives, which to me makes it a very interesting empire.

Fascist savagery, exceptionalism, and xenophobia appear to be sharply on the rise in today's society, so while it's distressing, it's not really surprising that it would be reflected in sub-cultures like ours.

Of course, no-one can role play anything, if someone makes a space slaver empire that must actually be their true hidden desires.
/s

Next thing you know people'll say everyone who goes on a murder spree in GTA actually have homicidal & maniacal tendencies.
 
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yes looks sooooo good and can we purge pops?
Lol, check the stickied thread containing all the Dev Diaries. There's a whole dev diary about Purge (to appease all the W40k and genocide fetishists).
 
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Every time a kid makes himself a military dictator and conducts systematic purges against members of non-human species in his neighborhood, well we all know what will happen, they will blame Stellaris.
"First little Timmy made himself the boss of the other kids. He decided what they should play. He decided what candy they would buy. Then, he ordered the mass extinciton of all dogs and cats in the neighborhood. In an interview, Timmy referred to the cats and dogs as "Xeno scum"."
 
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