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EU4 - Development Diary - 7th of May 2019

Hi there and welcome to another dev diary for EU4. I am Pierre, I’ve been part of the EU4 Content Design team since December, and I feel honoured to be able to give you your first peeks at the new content we are making for the big European update and expansion we have planned for the end of the year.

This is the first of several dev diaries that will focus on the map changes we have made, giving large parts of the European map a much-needed revamp. I’ll be starting with Germany (which for purely arbitrary reasons shall for today include Switzerland and Bohemia, but not Austria). As @neondt stated in an earlier dev diary, our aim was not to recreate Voltaire’s Nightmare or to populate the entire HRE map with OPMs (this would have been eminently possible) but rather to create more depth and more interesting gameplay situations within it, righting various wrongs and finding ways to better represent the various dynamics of the empire’s territories along the way.

As with previous patches, all map changes shown here will be part of the free patch. In previous map previews, we have often revealed the idea groups of the new tags, and rest assured we will be adding new ideas to replace the generic German ones. However, the work to do so still lies in the future, so in the meantime I’d just like to give a shoutout to this thread – if you want to know what we are looking for in terms of threads suggesting new idea groups, look no further.

So without further ado…

South Germany

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The lack of primogeniture in Bavaria until the 1500s led to several splits of the Duchy in the 14th century before its reunification in 1503. At game start, Wittelsbach Bavaria is divided between Munich, Landshut and Ingolstadt, who will have to fight it out for the duchy (or hope they inherit it). However, Bavaria can console itself with the fact that, once united, it will have considerably more resources at its disposal than in 1.28, with new provinces in Innbaiern (modern Innviertel, ceded to Austria in 1779; capital: Braunau), Freising, Rosenheim and Donauwörth (which has Swabian culture and is a releasable tag). We hope for Bavaria to become a strong power within the HRE in the next patch. To make this more likely, we will be adding DHEs such as this one to the Bavarian sub-duchies:

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Also new to Bavaria is the inclusion of Regensburg as a Free City and Passau as a Bishopric. At present, the latter is a vassal under Munich, since historically Munich’s territories more or less surrounded Passau and we do not wish the latter to be easy food for Bohemia or Austria. Finally, Salzburg (already in the Bavarian geographic area) now has Bavarian culture, which more correctly represents its situation in 1444 – it was part of the Bavarian Circle and was only annexed by Austria as late as 1805.

Moving south, the large province of Tirol has been split in several pieces, with the independent County of Bregenz (currently Austrian culture) to the west representing one of the more challenging starting positions in the HRE (they have 5 development and an heir with low legitimacy). The main province has been further split between Inntal (capital: Innsbruck) and Etschtal (capital: Meran).

Switzerland, too, has seen a makeover. The Swiss Confederacy was a growing power in the 15th century but was not yet close to controlling all of what would become Switzerland. Whilst we elected not to start with individual independent Swiss Cantons (this would simply make them easy prey for Austria, Milan, Savoy and Burgundy), we did split off the largest independent force, the Three Leagues. In the process, Graubünden was split to become Illanz and Chur, and Fribourg/Freiburg was added west of Bern.

Finally, Swabia has seen considerable changes. Firstly, Austria’s holdings in Swabia (or “Further Austria” are better represented, with Breisgau now being ruled by Austria, as it was in history. Baden has been compensated with the addition of Durlach (which would later become Karlsruhe) to its north. Wurttemberg, which was the largest territorial state in Swabia but somehow is an OPM with 6 development in EU4, now has a new province in the form of Urach (capital: Reutlingen) and a substantial buff in terms of development. Additionally, Ravensburg has been swapped for the Free City of Konstanz, Alsace is now the Bishopric of Strasbourg, the new tag of Mulhouse has been added to represent the Decapolis in southern Alsace, and Ulm is no longer wildly mislocated.

To add a bit more interest to the area, states of Swabian culture will now be able to form Swabia.

Central Germany and Bohemia

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Saxony has been given several new provinces but has also been split in two. Like Bavaria, Saxony did not have primogeniture; unlike Bavaria, Saxony never fully resolved this issue. As a result, in the 15th century, it was split several times, with the end result being the Treaty of Leipzig in 1485, where Saxony was split between the two brothers Ernest and Albert on lines similar to those displayed on the map above, except that both continued calling themselves Saxony and Ernest (Thuringia) gained Wittenberg and the Electorate. Thuringia/Ernestine Saxony later lost the Electorate to (Albertine) Saxony and split into many, many pieces. This all lies in the future in 1444 (via several planned DHEs), so the current division is based on that in 1445 between the brothers Friedrich and Wilhelm. Thuringia starts under PU by Saxony, but there will be several events which will make it a difficult subject to keep quiet for Saxony. New provinces are Zwickau in Saxony and three in Thuringia (previously one province with low development), which is now much better represented by Erfurt (Mainz has a core on this province to represent certain historical complexities), Weimar and Coburg (Franconian culture).

Franconia has seen a few more provinces and tags added. Most importantly, Franconia itself is now a formable tag if you manage to unite the Franconian lands. This is however easier said than done as Franconia now includes two Free Cities and lands owned by strong neighbours (i.e. Coburg by Thuringia). Würzburg, the titular holders of the duchy, remain the strongest power, with a new province in Fulda (Rhenish i.e. Hessian culture) and vassal in Bamberg. Their main rivals, Ansbach, now have Bayreuth as their junior partners in PU. They are now also bordered on the west by Rothenburg, another new Free City. Finally, the large province of Mainz has been split and the new Franconian culture province of Aschaffenburg has been added.

Moving West, @Ofaloaf did some pyrotechnics to the lower Rhineland map to make space to squeeze in Jülich (owned by Berg). The Palatinate has a new province in Zweibrücken, and although Hessen has no new provinces, its provinces have been renamed to Oberhessen and Niederhessen, with Niederhessen (Kassel) now the capital and more affluent province.

Finally, Bohemia, like other regions, has gained some new provinces. Lusatia has been split in three (with Oberlausitz split between Bautzen and Görlitz). This has allowed us to make Lusatia an area and releasable tag, with the provinces now having Sorbian culture. Silesia, as you can see, has been split in two between Glogau and Opole. Silesia the tag still exists and can be formed by a Silesian country that owns all of Silesia and is not a subject. Bohemia and Moravia have seen three more provinces added, with space being made for Jindrichuv Hradec, Pardubice and Ostrava. Although this is quite a few new provinces, we split the development of existing provinces to make room for them, so Bohemian starting development is not noticeably higher; we will of course be paying attention to the balance side of things to avoid Bohemia becoming the Ottomans of Europe.

Northern Germany

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We restrained ourselves from adding too many provinces to Brandenburg, mainly because this was not a very densely inhabited area and in 1444 few would have predicted that it would later rise to power. However, they did gain a new province in Brandenburg (the city) and are stronger than most of their neighbours, so if they can secure the alliances needed to keep the likes of Bohemia away, they are still well-placed to expand – especially since the sale of Neumark will now also grant them Dramburg.

Pomerania had a bit of a situation with their lack of primogeniture too (I seem to be repeating myself here). In fact, they split many, many times and were united much more seldom than they were divided. We went for a fairly conservative split and made them into Wolgast in the west and Stettin in the east, with new provinces in Wolgast and Rügen. A united Pomerania will of course be able to form Pomerania. Also, Rügen is a releasable tag that, in homage to Klaus Störtebecker and the hotbed of piracy that was the Baltic, will have the opportunity of going pirate if you own Golden Century.

The smaller states to the west of Brandenburg have each gained provinces, with Mecklenburg now correctly owning Stargard, Lüneburg’s significance better represented by the addition of Celle, and Magdeburg now owning the bishop’s summer residence of Halle. Braunschweig (previously one of the largest provinces of the HRE) has had the city of Göttingen split off it to the south (still owned by the Brunswick tag though) and is bordered to the east by the new Free City of Goslar, and the tag Verden now also owns a province called Verden as well as Stade.

Further west, Cologne too has an extra province in Paderborn (which is a releasable tag) and Berg is our new bordergore galore tag, owning Bielefeld as well as Berg and Jülich. Last but not least, Dortmund has also been added as a Free City.

Another change that we made in the north is in the cultures. There have been many calls for a “Lower Saxon” culture, and we have heeded these calls by splitting the Westphalian culture. Conveniently, this allows us to make the Kingdom of Hannover into the formable for the Lower Saxons and Westphalia into that for the Westphalians and Rhenish peoples.

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As a final note, I’d add that our focus on the Holy Roman Empire gives us a good opportunity to add flavour events for the tags populating it. I’ve been loving reading through the suggestions in threads such as this one. Please keep them coming, and if there is any interesting historical event you would like to see in the game, feel free to ping me (I can also read German and French, so you can send me links in those languages too).

That’s it for now. Next week, I’ll be presenting a few of the German mission trees we have prepared so far.
 
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The actual Valtellina (German: Veltlin) valley would just be part of the province. For sake of abstraction the Grafschafts/Conteas of Bormio (German: Worms) and the Valchiavenna (German: Kleven) valley would also be part of the province. Essentially the modern Italian province of Sondrio. It would essentially be the entire eastern Alps wasteland. As you can see the acquisition of the Italian territories in the 16th century nearly doubled the physical size of the Grey Leagues.

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While population numbers were low in the region, that was typical of alpine areas and the valleys of the Valtellina were a major source of tax income as tightly controlled a trade route through the Alps. Bormio (technically a vassal of Como rather than directly) in particular.

I just realized that this map was done by my history teacher from high school - cool!
 
What about giving Germany a mission tree?
mission for getting Alsace Lorraine, forming Großdeutschland and expanding east, conquering the other german culture groups, building up a big navy
 
@Developers: Please take a second look at cologne. U give them the province cologne with the city of cologne.This is historicaly wrong. The
archbishop of cologne did not have control over the city of cologne since the 13th century and since 1475 cologne was de iure a free city. So the archbishop did reign their
diocese in the city of Bonn.
If u would split up the province in cologne and Bonn u could create an event for the free city of cologne and u can make Bonn as capital of the dicocese of cologne. This would be historically correct.
 
@Developers: Please take a second look at cologne. U give them the province cologne with the city of cologne.This is historicaly wrong. The
archbishop of cologne did not have control over the city of cologne since the 13th century and since 1475 cologne was de iure a free city. So the archbishop did reign their
diocese in the city of Bonn.
If u would split up the province in cologne and Bonn u could create an event for the free city of cologne and u can make Bonn as capital of the dicocese of cologne. This would be historically correct.
Would be too small for Eu4 standards sadly. Already it's rather small especially with Julich added and the archbiachopric was clearly the most powerful of them.

Also more important counties should probably be added first
 
Can you please make the city of Hamburg into an inland port, kind of like Antwerpen is in the game right now? The Elbe estuary is very uncanny looking. Also I would love to see a more accurate version of the "Stettiner Haff". Since it is also very poorly represented.
 
@Caligula Caesar

The province of Oldenburg should have Lower Saxon culture.
Historically the core territory of Oldenburg was a part of the Engern region between Westfalen and Ostfalen.
Its dialect of Low German is also different from the one spoken in actual Westphalia.

I couldn't agree more. I'm a silent player normally, but this is so wrong. Please add Oldenburg to the Lower Saxon culture, where it's belong more than in the Westphalian Group. Maybe it is for balancing reasons there, but it's just not correct.
 
Regarding Silesia, why name the province Opole from the outset? The German name for the city has always been Oppeln. Now, I am all for adding different names depending on the country currently in possession of a province, but let's make it accurate. If German or Silesian then Oppeln, if Polish then Opole, if Czech then Opolí. Same for the other provinces (e.g. Breslau, Wrocław, Vratislav).
 
Regarding Silesia, why name the province Opole from the outset? The German name for the city has always been Oppeln. Now, I am all for adding different names depending on the country currently in possession of a province, but let's make it accurate. If German or Silesian then Oppeln, if Polish then Opole, if Czech then Opolí. Same for the other provinces (e.g. Breslau, Wrocław, Vratislav).
Silesian is a Slavic language and in Silesian proper it is Opole.

Now you might be confusing it with Germanic Silesian a dialect which has the Same name but is Completely different.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silesian_language

vs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silesian_German

Now the exact extend of what city was under which language is hard to say in 1444. But since we know that the rulers were of the Piast Dynasty or Bohemian dynasty. Its safe to assume that slavic was still the most prominent, especially in upper silesia. Lower Silesia is a bit harder to determin.
 
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Silesian is a Slavic language and in Silesian proper it is Opole.

Now you might be confusing it with Germanic Silesian a dialect which has the Same name but is Completely different.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silesian_language

vs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silesian_German

Now the exact extend of what city was under which language is hard to say in 1444. But since we know that the rulers were of the Piast Dynasty or Bohemian dynasty. Its safe to assume that slavic was still the most prominent, especially in upper silesia. Lower Silesia is a bit harder to determin.


Now as a matter of fact I am and speak Silesian, the more Slavic of the two. Even this one though is heavily Germanized, although admittedly this has happened gradually and most prominently during the industrial revolution. Recently, since its inclusion in Poland after WWII and heavy linguistic repressions until 1989 it has been Polonized to a significant extent. Still, the most common word these days would be Ôpole - the "ô" making a sound like "wo" in the English "won". Not so long ago Ôpeln would be heard as well. Either way, a Silesianized version of either the official Polish or German name.

As regards 1444, the Silesian strain of the Piast dynasty has been heavily Germanized as it came under Czech influence, so that in the 13th century it was well-adapted to the princely squabbles of HRE's politics. It is very safe to say, that by mid-15th century the language used at courts and by the elites was German and Czech, the lower you went the more "original" Silesian appeared in the mix. As for the common folk, the process of Germanization slowly went on with Silesia's ever firmer inclusion in the HRE, so that with time Silesian spoken in Lower Silesia became a variation of standard German - exactly the one you linked to.

There is a terrific Bohemian map of Silesia from 1561 which clearly calls all locations by their German names, although with outdated spelling:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c5/Mapa_Slezska_1561.jpg

There is little doubt, that official business was conducted in German at the time.


Still, it is just an aside. My main point is to standardize the names. If Ratibor and Breslau, then also Oppeln. If Racibórz and Wrocław, then also Opole. My issue is with mixing Polish and German names.
 
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Love the focus on german provinces.

Is there any chance the Swiss city of Basel might be added (between Bern and Sundgau). At 1444 Basel was actually quite important (Concile of Basel, first Swiss university and to a certain degree the prise in the Swabian War between the Swiss Confederacy). It would add another city state which might be or later on become a free imperial city.

It would be about the same size as Geneva or other city state provinces and indepedent from the Swiss confederacy and its conquest could be part of the Swiss mission tree.

I know it may be a bit late to suggest this (Maybe in another patch :)) but it would be really great if it made it into the game. I was so happy when it was given its proper place in history in CK2.
 
(I'm really sorry for breaking any social conventions here (like necroposting, if this is a thing here) - I'm not a regular active participant.)

It's fairly arbitrary where one culture stops and another starts on quite a few of the German cultures. ...
I'd guess that this is partly true for many other provinces around the world as well. I know that this is super early, but I would like to share my thoughts anyway - I hope that for EU5 a system could be devised with a more robust and dynamic framework for cultures (and maybe even religions). Something more akin to a scale rather than individual discrete cultures. A very general mechanic whereby cultures become more unique by isolation and have varying degrees of similarity to other (usually neighboring) cultures. With cultures becoming gradually more similar to prestigious cultures (which are in your diplo range), also depending on the relations of the countries (less affected by historical rival). With specific events like high war exhaustion and acts of persecution of minorities also sending refugees to neighboring countries and affecting their religious and cultural composition (and the pre-existing cultures themselves).

This would make the engine work better with carry-over saves from CK2 and shattered/randomized worlds. I personally value the simulation aspects of Paradox's strategy games and am sometimes frustrated how the immersion breaks down when you stray too far from real history. I assume that there must be other players with similar preferences to my own. But if not then it is fine if this will not be the direction of the EU franchise. Additionally there can always be other games that cater specifically to my (probably niche) demographic. Thanks for the attention. :)
 
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3 points to map of Bohemia:
1) Name of province "Rudohori" is wrong. The mountains (and ONLY the mountains) were called so in period of late CK2, in the period of EU4 till nowadays it is called Krušné hory in Czech. But that historical region in the EU4 time frame was called Litoměřicko (or Litoměřice if you call all the other regions based on their capitals in EU4 to be consistent).
2) The state which is west part of Bohemia (Plzen+Cheb+Rudohori), correct me if I'm wrong, it has never been split from "core" Bohemia in the EU4 period (it split first time just in the year 1918 for 2 months only and then 1938-1945). There has also never been West Bohemia or East Bohemia, just Bohemia and Moravia plus other states (like Silesia and Lusitania). So more logical would be for me to have the whole state of Bohemia as one (means from Cheb to Pardubice - however Pardubice was also questioned in other post), and maybe reduce the quantity of provinces?
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3) Somebody already mentioned here, region of Kladsko was independent region and part of Bohemia (even in the "state" of Bohemia if using the EU4 teminology) from 12th century. It was separated from Bohemia after 1740' (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/County_of_Kladsko), so should be reflected in the game as well. In the map above it is the right corner over Liegnitz province.
 

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Can we get an area map mode picture? I know this might seem random, but I just realized that France, Italy and the Balkans got one. I'm also curious to how the Low Countries are distributed too, but since it's less of an overhaul I'm not too pressed for it.
 
I know this is an older thread but I just have to express how overjoyed I am to see the updates being made here...Julich's a province I've been wanting to see in the game for so long, plus the fractured states of Bavaria were things I tried to add back when I was making my own sub-mods, and now I don't need to do any editing! I actually stopped playing EUIV a while back because the mods I was making were proving more difficult than I thought, but at the same time I couldn't bring myself to return to vanilla...but this might change things, as I'm now super keen to return to the series that got me interested in Paradox Interactive in the first place. Bravo, good sirs. Bravo.
 
Why doesn't Berg, which is mostly in westphalia, have westphalian culture?
I am from that area and it's clearly westphalian, not rheinish.

i hope under that censored carpet is a devided luxemburg.