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CK2 Dev Diary #63: In the Emperor's Good Graces

Greetings!

Today I would like to talk to you about some of the ways you can gain the Grace of the Emperor, and ways in which you can use it to your advantage! To interact with China you must be within their diplomatic range - which extends throughout the entire Silk Road, and through the influence of the Western Protectorate and any Tributaries China might have. When you are within diplomatic range you have the options to Pay Tribute and Ask for Boons.

Paying Tribute to the Emperor will get you in their good Graces, giving you the option of asking for Boons. While the first thing that comes to mind would be to become an actual Tributary State to China, there are more ways to earn Grace. Of course, being a Tributary State is one of the most effective ways to earn the Emperors good Grace - having the Emperor like you more for each month you stay a Tributary State - though you have to give up a significant portion of your Wealth and Levy Regain rate. As China prefers their Tributaries to keep paying Tribute to them, they are willing to defend their Tributaries from outside threats - Tributary States will have the option of summoning a regiment of Chinese forces when they are under attack. When playing as a small realm in the Tarim Basin, for example, it is very prudent to become a Chinese Tributary as they will help you fend off ravenous Nomads and expansionist Tibetans alike.
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Not everyone will have the opportunity (or want to give up their sovereignty) to become a Tributary State though, in that case there are other things you can do to earn the Emperor’s good Grace. The two most common things the Emperor requires are more Concubines for the harem and more Eunuchs for the administration. If you are able to find characters that suit either role, you will be able to send them off as Tribute. These characters will most often have to be your close relatives, making the choice whether to send them away or not more tactical (perhaps you’d rather keep your daughter for forming a local alliance, or keep your third son as a backup in case your first two sons bite the dust). Note that you won’t be able to send off characters that stand to inherit titles. The selection of a suitable character is made by executing a new type of ‘third party character’ decision, as can be seen in this screenshot:
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There are also other things you can do to gain the Grace of the Emperor, I won’t go into too much detail, but they include things such as: Offering a Court Physician when China is suffering a Plague, sending Relief while China is suffering a Famine, sending Artifacts or Gold, and more.

Any Grace you’ve earned will persist as long as the same Dynasty sits on the throne in China - Civil Wars and Invasions might result in a new Dynasty taking the Dragon Throne, making you lose any grace you’ve accumulated. Fortunately the Dynasty changes seldomly, and you get ample warning before it happens (so that you get a chance to leverage the Grace you’ve accumulated with the current Dynasty).

Emperors, like most characters in CK2, have their own personalities. This is characterized through the Emperor’s likes and dislikes - if the Emperor favors Buddhists you will find it more rewarding to both be a Buddhist yourself, and to send the Emperor Buddhists as tribute. The opposite is true for being disliked by the Emperor - with the additional threat that they might, just might, treat you as a priority target should they become expansionist!

Now on to using Grace - if you’ve sent enough Tribute to the Emperor you will be able to request Boons. Boons are generally very powerful, and come in many flavors - I won’t go through all of them in this DD, but here are a select few:

Request Peace Deal - The most basic of all Boons, having an active Peace Deal will prevent China from ever targeting you with wars. It is very cheap to get one and, unless you’re taking a risk by saving up for something costly, you should usually be able to afford one. A Peace Deal lasts for a long time, and also persists through multiple characters should the one who requested it die. In addition to preventing the wrath of China, it also gives quite a bit of passive prestige. Do note that if China is in an Expansionist phase they might not want to hand out any Peace Deals, so get them while you can…

Request Strategist - This Boon has a character trained in Chinese Strategy join your court. This character is both a competent commander by himself, but will given time also train your existing commanders in the art of Chinese warfare. This is represented by special Commander Traits with very powerful bonuses.

Request Master Engineer - This Boon has a masterful Chinese Engineer join your court. For as long as this character stays employed, he will improve your demesne with powerful province modifiers - Blast Furnaces, Paper Mills, Fireworks Guilds and other wondrous things. These modifiers tend to help you advance in Military and Economic technology.

Request Imperial Marriage - The Emperor has many daughters (and in the case of female rulers, cousins and kinsmen) and if you stand in their good Graces you might be allowed to have you or one of your children marry one of them! Such a marriage is not only very prestigious, because a princess doesn’t leave China alone - along with her she will bring a regiment of Honor Guards that you can call upon at will. Unlike the troops you can call upon from being a Chinese Tributary State these Honor Guards can also be used in offensive wars - giving you an edge in warfare. An Imperial Marriage also sets a Peace Deal in place.
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Request Invasion - This is the most costly Boon of them all, and will be a challenge just to gain enough Grace for - if there is a realm that has grown too large and powerful for their own good, you can suggest that China invades them with the sole purpose of dismantling their realm. Of course, it might not be very likely that China would succeed in taking down a distant Empire (i.e. Byzantium) and there is no absolute guarantee that they will win regardless. If you are independent you can choose to join in the war yourself, which is especially useful if you really want the war to succeed. Having Peace Deals with China will protect characters from Requested Invasions and normal invasions alike.

There are plenty of other things you can request; Scholar-Bureaucrats, Siege Engineers, Chinese Artifacts, Silk Road Trade Contracts and more - but I won’t go into more detail in this DD!

Finally I’d like to say that many of these features will be controllable by Game Rules. If you want to disable the Diplomatic Range of China and gain Grace as a count in Ireland you will be able to do so - the same if you do not wish to have China launch any invasions, along with many other things. And as always, if you have any ideas/questions/concerns for Game Rules relating to the features presented in the DD, feel free to suggest them here!
 
Actually, it appears that I suggested something similar before the game is even released!:cool:

The fact that you suggested something like we are getting years ago, while interesting, isn't mutually exclusive with many pro-China people wanting to see a playable China on the map rather than an off-map China that can be interacted with.
 
The fact that you suggested something like we are getting years ago, while interesting, isn't mutually exclusive with many pro-China people wanting to see a playable China on the map rather than an off-map China that can be interacted with.
Of course:confused:
 
"Sanita Arkeesian: CK2 lets you send your daughters to China to be raped! MISOGYNY!!1

Paradox: But you can send your sons there to be eunuchs too! AHA!"


This is exactly how a corporation survives in the modern world. So i don't blame Paradox in the slightest. But thankfully, mods.
Anita Sarcastian or whatever isn't going to shut down a major gaming studio and this game has far worse stuff than just arranging what is in effect a royal marriage. This is a game in which your character can straight up abduct women against their will, a game where you can have children and babies impaled, burnt alive or crushed with rocks (and there are sound effects specifically for that), a game in which incest is not merely possible, but in many cases actually rewarded by the game mechanics. Sending the occasional noblewoman to the imperial palace in China (to live as a concubine, which is not necessarily the same thing as a sex slave despite what orientalists have imagined over the centuries) is really nothing compared to the vast parade of horrors that CKII has you participate in.
 
A question for the devs: The OP says you "request Boons" and "[ask] for Boons". While demanding something from the Emperor of China probably wouldn't be wise (or at least not diplomatic), does the fact that it is called a "request" mean that the Boon might be refused (due to the EoC disliking you, or for some other reason), or is it guaranteed that if you get enough Grace to request a Boon the EoC will grant that Boon?
 
I hope we're not about to get into another round of "get a real computer lololol" here.

I don't suffer any performance issues in anything Paradox, but I have a full-power gaming rig. Paradox' target market is broader than "people who can drop fifteen hundred on a power tower."
 
I hope we're not about to get into another round of "get a real computer lololol" here.

I don't suffer any performance issues in anything Paradox, but I have a full-power gaming rig. Paradox' target market is broader than "people who can drop fifteen hundred on a power tower."

I have an $800 computer I bought when CK2 came out and it doesn't have any trouble running CK2, even when RoI was released. Although I no longer support map expansion, in fact I've changed my mind and think RoI was a mistake that doesn't change the fact that people with shit computers have shit computers. However be that as it may I no longer blame them. Paradox's direction with CK2 after SoA has been a complete misfire and the game has only gotten worse with time. They should have switched to making CK3 after SOA.
 
I have an $800 computer I bought when CK2 came out and it doesn't have any trouble running CK2, even when RoI was released. Although I no longer support map expansion, in fact I've changed my mind and think RoI was a mistake that doesn't change the fact that people with shit computers have shit computers. However be that as it may I no longer blame them. Paradox's direction with CK2 after SoA has been a complete misfire and the game has only gotten worse with time. They should have switched to making CK3 after SOA.

for a start a game ck2 should not be limited by the minimum specs, If China was feasible as some mods have shown then its hardly killing toasters adding it.

secondly the only mistake they made with ROI was not adding more flavor for Indians.

thirdly SOA added badly needed holy orders to anything that wasn't a catholic crusader state.

In fact id say the biggest mistake in ck2 in general is the sameness of playing most characters, all they've done is add add add and never given what was there originally any more depth. The best thing they could do at this point is try to revamp the core mechanics as much as is feasible to give the game more depth so the only difference between a count in Calcutta and a count in Canterbury isn't religious mechanics and a trait...
 
Anita Sarcastian or whatever isn't going to shut down a major gaming studio and this game has far worse stuff than just arranging what is in effect a royal marriage. This is a game in which your character can straight up abduct women against their will, a game where you can have children and babies impaled, burnt alive or crushed with rocks (and there are sound effects specifically for that), a game in which incest is not merely possible, but in many cases actually rewarded by the game mechanics. Sending the occasional noblewoman to the imperial palace in China (to live as a concubine, which is not necessarily the same thing as a sex slave despite what orientalists have imagined over the centuries) is really nothing compared to the vast parade of horrors that CKII has you participate in.
Wait are there actually child-specific death sounds? And am I too much of a good guy for not knowing this in the first place?
 
Wait are there actually child-specific death sounds? And am I too much of a good guy for not knowing this in the first place?
Children only have generic death sounds, you won't hear them being stoned to death or burned like their parents, they'll just cry
 
You'll hear that cry constantly if you play with diseases set on Deadly. You'll hear a symphony of it during the plague. Particularly loud back before rhe latest patch when the Plague was bugged to last 100+ years.

In comparison adults just sigh as they die (edit: from disease/natural causes.)
 
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So is what the Emperor likes and dislikes at all vary based on what is going on within China's neighborhood?

For example, obviously the Emperor won't have any opinion on Germanic Paganism, or even know about it. But if a powerful Germanic Pagan nation shows up on China's doorstep, would it be possible that the Emperor might decide that he likes or dislike Germanic Paganism?

Or is the Emperor stuck with a set series of things to like or dislike?
 
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Children only have generic death sounds, you won't hear them being stoned to death or burned like their parents, they'll just cry
I think older children do have specific death sounds, but babies just cry.
 
I honestly dont care about discussing the China mechanics...i think we should all wait and see what the devs present us and then pass judgement...what i really want is proper education mechanics that effect the overall game. im tired of getting dumbass randomly generated courtiers and vassals when i have level 3 universities in EVERY SINGLE CITY BARONY. Can we fix that please what am i investing in education for than.
 
Children only have generic death sounds, you won't hear them being stoned to death or burned like their parents, they'll just cry
Heh, makes sense I guess - would be kind of weird if Paradox hired a bunch of child voice-actors and told them:" Hey Timmy now pretend you're being stoned to death! No, no, not like that! Imagine all the bones in your body are being broken and your eye just leaked out. More passion into those terrified screams! Now that's a good boy!"
 
Heh, makes sense I guess - would be kind of weird if Paradox hired a bunch of child voice-actors and told them:" Hey Timmy now pretend you're being stoned to death! No, no, not like that! Imagine all the bones in your body are being broken and your eye just leaked out. More passion into those terrified screams! Now that's a good boy!"
I dunno, one of the wheel-breaking voices sounds disturbingly like a baby crying... :eek:
 
What ever happened to QOL/War dlc update that was suppose to happen? Is this asian china thing a part of that or did that DLC/update get scrapped?
 
The QOL and war improvements were always set to arrive next patch. Which happens to include the JD DLC as well.
That reminds me that the upcoming patch will be quite substantial