1.
Greatly expanded
the epithet list. Help with the hard ones would be appreciated.
These monikers are fantastic!
2. You
must include Elvis in the list of Welsh names (from Elvis Sant, who baptized Dewi Sant near the Pressley hills
)
Aye, there is strong evidence that Pressley did origionate from the Presli mountaints in Dyfed.
3. More Welsh flavor events: the Black Cats of Britain (cryptozoology: for hundreds of years people have claimed to see panthers all over Wales and Britain but it's never been verified - eg Cath Palug - as a "boar" event); also
Twrch Trwyth (great boar of the welsh); search for the Cauldron of Plenty; kids should get
really pissy about not having salic gavelkind law; horse events; Irish relations; English march lords on pirate raid; genealogy events giving the Welsh claims on Galloway, Chester, York, etc.
Love this!
4. Most importantly, I was reading the Welsh regnal genealogies and ap is wrong for the period - all "sons of" should be rendered map and all "daughters of" should be rendered merch.
I have not yet found any evidence of this. From the sources I speak with, ap is the correct form even as of the late dark ages. These sources I am speaking with say that Map was archaic Welsh, from the early Dark Ages. It has long since contracted to ap by the 9th century. Some poets may have used the more flourished Map, but this was not the standard. I have not seen in your sources yet where Map was used. ap/ferch are the standard as of the 1066 start as far as I can determine
5. The welsh for "House of Rhodri" (e.g.) is
plant Rhodri. Did they use that in their names? Should it be plant Aberffraw? The names Aberffraw, Dinefwr, Mathrafal are local seats of power, where the various branches of Plant Rhodri origionally held their seat at. I followed the format followed by later historians by describing this or that dynasty as of the Aberffraw line or Dinefwr line. The Welsh, until the modern era, did not have surnames. Surnames are a recent event, and even in a game like CK, it is rather an artifical application for these dynasties that they are so hard-coded. It is a game mechanic. If we were to assign all the branches to Rhodri, we would indeed use Plant Rhodri. But instead, I am using the already established application (for Western Europe anyway) of designating the dynasty name after the principal seat of power. Thus, you have the d'Aquitaine for the Aquitaine line, amongst others.
6. We were talking about the Welsh word for king earlier - it's tywysog. The English just translated it over as Prince to keep Welsh lords on a lower standing (cf. the Chinese huangdi and the wangs or the Byzantine basileus and the reges), so later the Welsh created brenin as a neologism.
Every tywysog was theoretically autonomous but included anyone in charge of a commote - they were that fractured politically. More powerful tywysogs commanded personal or clan loyalty from the other ones, so that they were titled tywysog Gwynedd (eg) instead of being merely tywysog Aberffraw or Ynys Mons. A Tywysog holl Gymru would be king of all Wales.
tywysog / tywysoges is most commonly translated to prince/princess. Brenin/brenhines is translated to king/queen. Another poster claims that tywysog origionated more or less as "leader". And this may be true. Eventually it became a heriditary title associated to prince.
7. From
a couple of the genealogy pages, I put together this:
Llywelyn ii Fawr (the Great) twywsog holl Gymru
mab Iorwerth Drwyndwn (Flatnosed)
mab Owain i Gwynedd tywysog Gwynedd
map Gruffydd ii tywysog Gwynedd
map Cynan ii tywysog Gwynedd
map Hywel iii tywysog Gwynedd
mab Ieuaf tywysog Gwynedd
mab Idwal ii Foel (the Bald) tywysog Gwynedd
mab Anarawd tywysog Gwynedd [founder of the house of Aberffraw]
map Rhodri ii Mawr tywysog holl Gymru [Rodri]
map Merfyn Frych (the Freckled) tywysog Gwynedd [founder of the plant Merfyn]
map Eithyl merch Cynan i Dindaethwy [of plant Cunedda Wledig] ac Gwriad tywysog Ynys Manaw ac Gwynedd
mab Elidyr tywysog Ynys Manaw ac Deheurheged
map Sandde Bryd Angel (Angel-faced) tywysog Ynys Manaw [who faught at Baddon Hill and whose wife was Celenion merch Tutwal Tutclith of the line of Macsen Wledig]
mab Algwyn map Tegyth [whose mother was Anna Morgause sister of Arthwr tywysog Prydain]
map Gwyar
map Dwywg
map Llywarch Hen (the Old)
mab Elidyr Llydanwyn (the Stout & handsome) tywysog Deheurheged
map Meirchion Gul (the Lean) tywysog Rheged
map Gwrst Ledlwm (the Half-naked) tywysog Rheged
map Keneu Sant tywysog Prydain Gogledd
map Coel iii Godebog (the Magnificient) tywysog Gododdin
map Tegfan Gloff (the Lame)
map Deheweint [whose mother was daughter of Coel i Hen]
map Telpwyll
mab Erbin [Vrbanus]
map Gradd [Gratianus]
map Rhyfedel
map Rhydeyrn
mab Euddigan
mab Eudeyrn
mab Eifydd
mab Eudaf [Octavianus]
mab Euddolen
mab Afallach [Avalon, land of the dead]
map Lludd Llaw Ereint (the Silver-handed, god of healing) tywysog Prydain
map Beli Mawr (the Great) tywysog Prydain [Celtic god] [whose wife was Anna the Prophetess, daughter of Joseph Sant ben Matthat of Arimathea who was of David by his son Nathan and Anu, a Celtic goddess, or else the cousin of the Virgin Mary]
map Mynogan tywysog Prydain
mab Capoyr tywysog Prydain
map Gerwyd
map Crydad
map Cynfarch tywysog Cernyw
map Prydain tywysog Cernyw [for whom is named Britain]
mab Aedd Mawr tywysog Cernyw
mab Anwn tywysog Cernyw
map Seisyll tywysog Prydain
map Gwrwst tywysog Prydain
map Riwallon tywysog Prydain
map Cunedda tywysog Prydain [whose mother was Regan, d of Llyr]
map Henwyn tywysog Cymru ac Cernyw
mab Asser tywysog Cymru ac Cernyw
map Cyngen tywysog Cymru ac Cernyw
map Dyfynwal Hen tywysog Cymru ac Cernyw
map Gorwynyawn tywysog Cymru ac Cernyw
map Cymryw tywysog Cymru ac Cernyw [eponym of Cambria][whose mother was Ignoge d king of Greece]
map Bryttys tywyssauc o Ruvein
map Sylhys Hen [Silvius]
map Esgannys tywysog Gwynhir [Alba Longa]
mab Eneas ysgwyt wyn (of the white shield)
map Gwener [Venus] et Ensissesque [Anchises]
map Capys who warned about the Horse
mab Assarakys [Assaracus] tywysog Dardanianorum
map Troyaf [Tros] tywysog Dardanianorum et Troyaf [Troy]
mab Erichthonius tywysog Dardanianorum
map Darda qui vocatur Dardar [Dardanus] tywysog Dardanianorum
map qua vocatur filia Atlas Electrae [the Pleiade] et Mahol Zerahiaid qui frater Achan Zerahiaid the Cursed
map Carmi
map Zabdi
map Zerach [Zerah]
[NB. Zerah's descendants are a little screwy in the Bible - In Joshua, Achan is given as son of Carmi son of Zabdi son of Zerah; in Chronicles, it sez Zerah's children were "Zimri, and Ethan, and Heman, and Calcol, and Dara; five of them in all;" in Kings, it says Solomon is wiser "than Ethan the Ezrahite [which the Rabbis glossed as a variant for Zerahite], and Heman, and Calcol, and Darda, the sons of Mahol" - a little of the funkiness is relieved by the Hebrew "son" referring to any (especially the most exceptional) of one's descendants]
map Juda [Judah] tywysog Israel
map Iacob [qui tamen] Israel [vocatur]
mab Isaac
mab Abram tywysog Damascus [who became] Abraham Sant Wledig
map Tarah Ur y Caldeaid [Terah of Ur of the Chaldees]
map Nachor [Nahor]
map Serug
map Reu
map Peleg [Pelag]
map [a daughter of] Nimrodd [Nimrod] ac Heber [Eber] [who was in] Babel [eponym of Hebrews]
map Selah [Shelah]
map Arphaxad [Arpachshad]
map Sem [Shem]
map Noah
map Lamec [Lamech]
map Methulselah
mab Henoc [Enoch]
map Jered [Jared]
map Mahalaleël
map Cenan [Cainan]
mab Enos ac Noam qua sorer erat
map Seth ac Azura qua sorer erat
mab Adda ac Efa [Adam and Eve]
[I had seen some Welsh Biblical names (eg, Iago is supposedly Jacob) but took these from
the first Welsh Bible]
[Welsh Trojan names from the
Chronicle of the Early Britons by Caradoc of Llancarfan, the Welsh sister work to Geoffrey of Monmouth's history]
8. Certainly, we should push the genealogy back to Rhodri Mawr (of the no-last-name dynasty) to show the connection of the Aberffraw and Dinefwr dynasties.
In the 1066 scenario I assigned Rhodri to the Cunedda dynasty, as his line allegedly springs from that source (this is where Plant Cunedda would come into place if we were translating the "Cunedda Dynasty". The connection between Aberffraw and Dinefwr are between Rhodri's eldest son (who established the Aberffraw line) and his second son (who established the Dinefwr line). I already establish this n the 1066 scenario.
9. Since it's a mod anyway, though, what do you think about coming up with cards all the way back to Adam? I'd help out; I think it'd be funny; and good flavor for the Welsh obsession with genealogy and status
Amusing yes. and I dont see why it couldnt be done. You seem most anxious for this, so mayhap we could do it. Hehe. I have no objections from a historical sense.[/QUOTE]
I still havent found the time to update the mode, mayhap over Christmans. Every time I start the game I still cant continue, as not having modded female succession still upsets me so.