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ooc--in my game last night playing as the OE, I had the chance to awaken Nubia also and Fodoron is right about those 4 provinces. I didn't do it (to my chagrin) because 1 of the 4 provinces wasn't mine and it split the nation. Yet that single province was in rebellion. I assumed it would rebel to me, then I could bring in a 4 province Nubia as a good vassal border. Sadly, I had three negative events in a row, bit -3, had a civil war and in the process of restoring the land, the single non-OE province in revolt DID form Nubia and took one of my provinces in turn. However, it left the most southern Nubian (yet owned by my OE) province. So, now I'm stuck with no way to get rid of that province except waiting for a rebellion, unless I go into the save file.

Anyway, all of that to alert us that those are the 4 Nubian provinces, based on my game also.
 
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Senators,

It is with great sadness that I announce the passing of Aureo Barbarigo, King of Jerusalem and Senator of the Maggior Consiglio, Cavaliero di San Marco and Son of St. Mark. He died placidly while in his sleep. Despite having died on Holy Land, he has surprinsingly requested in his will that his remains are buried in Venice. When he arrives he will be received with all the honors, and a memorial will be held at St. Mark.

In an emergency meeting, and considering the situation of war against the Sultan of the Ottomans, the Signoria has decided to invest Senator Angelo Pesaro with the Crown of Jerusalem, after naming him Son of St. Mark.

For those worried about the war, we have received King Barbarigo's last letter, and the latest report from Fodoroni.

Your Doge


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An express letter from the „Vendetta“, the flagship of Admirale Pesaro.

Honorable Doge,
Fellow Senators of the Consiglio Maggiore,

I am deeply honored by the confidence of your vote.

I accept your wise decision and promise to fullfill this new duties as a true and worthy Son of St. Marc.

I apologize for just sending this courier, but after receiving the Consiglio's message I immediately ordered to set course for the Holy Land.
As soon as this war is over I shall return to Venice, so we may celebrate our victory together with my coronation in San Marco.

I am not a warrior like Aureo Barbarigo, but with God's help I hope to be able to succeed where he failed, and to unite and discipline the Knight Orders.
All of the Levante soon will be returned to Christendom!

Angelo I., King of Jerusalem
 
Dear Senators. A decision has been reached. The Consiglio has little interest in Sinai, so we should not try to gain it in war. Nubia however is a different story, and we should try to gain it from the Hedjaz if feasible.

I also wanted to inform the Consiglio about the recent problems with Uskok pirates, that in this year of 1613 have dared to murder commander Cristoforo Venier. According to some reports, the Uskoks opened his chest and devoured his heart after soaking bread in his blood. Perhaps these reports are not absolutely credible, however this type of incidents could easily escalate into a full blown war.

Since in this timeline, the Habsburg are our vassals, I have contacted them and they have agreed to eliminate the Uskok problem [the events will not take place due to Austria being our vassal] once and for all.

However if you are interested in the Uskoks and the war of Gradisca, you could consult my historical notes about the issue.
 
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Dear Doge, my friends of the Senate and all true friends of the great Republic, I write to wish you the Merriest of Christmas seasons. I pray that your family, near and far, enjoy a holiday of vast enjoyment.

As we head to the New Year, though we know that war over religion has begun to wage and rage in the north involving to some degree our vassals and our own interest has us involved in conflicts far from home, let us lift a glass of cheer to welcome in yet another fresh year.

It is my prayer that you have the most wonderful year yet in all of your endeavors. Long live the Republic of Venice.
 
OOC:
Thank you carlec - I'm sure you all will forgive me answering in my native German tongue.

Frohe Weihnachten und einen guten Rutsch ins neue Jahr!

And next year: Venice conquers the world!
 
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OOC:
Thank you carlec - I'm sure you all will forgive me answering in my native German tongue.

Frohe Weihnachten und einen guten Rutsch ins neue Jahr!

And next year: Venice conquers the world!

That's cool--sadly, though I did have 1 year of German in college, I can't make it all out. I mean, I'm guessing its a yuletide blessing, but what is the specific "Frohe Weihnachten?"

How do you celebrate the holiday where you are? Actually, this probably should be in another thread, but I'm just curious. Here near Disney in Florida, its over the top commercialism. One of our local stores had Christmas decorations out October 29th! Grrr! :mad: The reason was that Halloween fell on a Monday, so they wanted that extra weekend of shopping I suppose, but I was stunned. Anyway, we do our level best in our household to keep the focus on the Christ child.

And hey (to stay in topic), Doge, how did the Venetians celebrate the holiday? Does anyone know?
 
Allthough this is somehow off topic:

Frohe Weinachten = Merry Christmas
guten Rutsch ins neue Jahr = Happy New Year (free translation ;) )

I'm going to celebrate the holydays in my home village in the Black Forest. Snow, mountains, dark forests, little remote villages - VERY traditional. I really can't imagine Christmas in a subtropical region like Florida.
Christmas 'bussiness' starts here in October as well; it's a shame, but nobody can force you to participate.

I'm curious too: how did people celebrate christmas in the 17th century? Without Christmas Tree, this one is for sure... .
 
Here is some info from some various web sources (so who knows exactly how accurate):

Italy, too, a very Christian country, has many foods and rituals surrounding Christmas, such as the ritualization of lasagne for Christmas. Many ritual foods have a long history, such a mortadella for Christmas, as we know because mortadelle is mentioned in the statutes of the Cathedral of Nice from 1233 as being made for holidays such as Easter, pentecost, or Christmas along with meat and beans. A famous preparation for Christmas Eve on the island of Burano in the Venetian lagoon is a risi e fasjoi col brodo de gò, rice and beans with a broth made of goby.
http://www.cliffordawright.com/history/christmas.html

The Christmas season in Italy, which lasts for three weeks, begins with the Novena. The Novena is the period of eight days prior to Christmas Day and is an exciting build-up to that special day. It is filled with music and laughter. It is traditional during this period for groups of young musicians to go around the neighborhood playing their musical instruments and singing Christmas Carols and reciting Christmas poems. Sometimes the musicians dress up as Shepherds, sometimes the performers are real Shepherds, dressed up in the rustic style of olden days. They perform at every house along their route and after each performance the house owner usually offers each of the performer a monetary gift in exchange and this money is later on used to buy gifts.

All the necessary preparations for Christmas are also made during the Novena. In Italy, Nativity Scenes are very popular and can be seen displayed in almost every Christian household. In fact the tradition of having Nativity Scenes began in Italy first and traces its origins back to St. Francis of Assisi and Giovanni Vellita, a work-man from the village of Greccio. Apparently St. Francis came up with the idea of performing mass before a recreated version of the Nativity Scene and asked the above mentioned Giovanni Vellita to construct a scaled down model for him.
http://www.buzzle.com/editorials/12-23-2004-63380.asp

Bagpipes are the most common Italian Christmas sound. The zampognari, the shepherds who play the bagpipes, come down from their mountain homes at Christmas time and perform in the market squares. The playing of bagpipes is popular in the regions of Calabria and Abruzzo, and in the piazzas of Rome. The melodies played are adapted from old hill tunes. Modern zampognari wear the traditional outfits of sheepskin vests, leather breeches, and a woolen cloak. The tradition of bagpipes goes back to ancient Roman times. Legend says that the shepherds entertained the Virgin Mary in Bethlehem. During the holiday season. Today, the zampognari stop before every shrine to the Madonna and every Nativity scene.

Children in Italy believe in a female version of Santa Claus called La Befana, an old woman who flies on a broom and brings presents. According to Italian legend, Three Wise Men asked La Befana for directions to Bethlehem. La Befana was asked to join them but declined three times. It took an unusually bright light and a band of angels to convince La Befana that she must join the Wise Men, but she was too late. She never found the Christ child and has been searching ever since. On January 6, the Feast of Epiphany, La Befana goes out on her broom to drop off stockings filled with treats to all the sleeping children of Italy. Just as children in America leave milk and cookies for jolly Santa Claus, La Befana collects messages and refreshments throughout the night.
http://www.initaly.com/regions/xmas/xmas.htm

Well, I couldn't find much related strictly to Venice, but Italy is close enough, no? In any case, Buon Natale!
 
Actually Christmas in Spain is quite similar to Italy. The three kings (6th January) are bigger than Santa Claus/Papa Noel, and hence Christmas holidays go until the 7th of January. We also have Nativity scenes brought to Spain by Maria Amalia of Saxony from Naples in 1759 when his husband Carlos IV of Two Sicilies became the king of Spain, but by now many people believe they were invented in Spain.

It is fitting that we are fighting over Holy Land near Christmas, or sad, I don't really know. In any case we are going to liberate it from Ottoman opression.

I must apologize. The project for a new AI for the entire AGCEEP has taken a lot of my EU2 energies. Posting could also be irregular during Christmas.
 
1609-1613 Account:

Year 1609
-Centralization +1 (now 8) Stability dropped by -1 to +2
Investment shifted to Land at 83%. Naval and Treasury take the rest.
Savoy gained control of Alsace from Bavaria
Galileo Galilei: the modern science is born, historic event happened to us. Innovativeness +1 (to 8), Infra +100
Dauphiné, Switzerland & Hungary declared war on Savoy, Venice & Jerusalem
-Recruited 10000 inf. 2000 cav. for 260D in Mantua
-Built 1 transport in Nile for 12D
-Recruited 3000 inf. 1000 cav. for 81D in Veneto
Great reputation happened to us. Relations with several countries +20

Important international events nearby

Our diplomacy
Bosnia rejected to renew our royal marriage

Year 1610
-Recruited 5000 inf. 1000 cav. for 115D in Veneto
-Recruited 4000 inf. 2000 cav. for 128D in Mantua
Bavaria paid 54D in exchange for separate peace with Savoy
Dauphiné gained control of Savoie
-Built 1 warship in Nile for 43D
Meteor sighted happened to us. Stability -1, revolt risk +2 for 12 months
We gained control of Ansbach from Bavaria

Important international events nearby

Our diplomacy

Year 1611
-Recruited 4000 inf. 1000 cav. for 98D in Veneto
Inquisition failed in Trabzon
Missionary sent to Trabzon (47% chance, 384D)
Foreign drill instructor available happened to us. We chose to decline, -1 vp
-Recruited 3000 inf. 1000 cav. for 81D in Lombardia
-Recruited 2000 inf. 1000 cav. for 64D in Kerala
We gained control of Krain from Hungary
Savoy alliance (us included) paid 250D in exchange for peace with Dauphiné alliance

Important international events nearby

Our diplomacy

Year 1612
We gained control of Bayern
-Built 1 transport in Nile for 12D
-Chief judge built in Apulia for 103D
-Chief judge built in Piemonte for 103D
Death & Taxes happened to us. We chose death, stability +1, loss of TC in ragusa 8 (vs. BTV in Dalmatia +2, revolt in Dalmatia)
-Tax collector built in Ragusa for 51D
-Recruited 3000 inf. 1000 cav. for 81D in Kerala
We reached trade level 8 (no bonus)
MarcAntonio Memmo became our new Doge
We gained control of Alsace from Bavaria
-Built 1 transport in Nile for 12D

Important international events nearby
Burgundy surrendered Morbhidan & Bretagne to Netherlands

Our diplomacy
-Sent 54D personal gift to Bosnia, relations improved by +27 to +22
-Sent 54D personal gift to Jerusalem, relations improved by +56 to +200
-Sent 37D personal gift to Savoy, relations improved by +62 to +79
-Sent 42D personal gift to Austria, relations improved by +90 to +160
-Entered royal marriage with Bosnia
Bavaria accepted to pay 100D and give military access to Venice in exchange for peace
-Sent 54D personal gift to Bosnia, relations improved by +36 to +73
-Sent 37D personal gift to Savoy, relations improved by +15 to +91

Year 1613
Ottoman empire & the Hedjaz declared war on Venice, Savoy & Jerusalem
-Recruited 16000 inf. 5000 cav. for 392D in Thrace
Nobles demand old rights happened to us. We accepted, centralization -1 (vs. stability -2)
-Recruited 3000 inf. 4000 cav. for 171D in Nile
We gained control of Lebanon from Ottoman empire

Important international events nearby
Burgundy surrendered Champagne & Nivernais to Palatinate

Our diplomacy
-Sent 135D state gift to Jerusalem, relations improved by +2 to +200
-Sent 135D state gift to Jerusalem, relations improved by +0 to +200
 
I wish you and your families a good Christmas. May you all prosper in the new year! The next year holds great promises for the new year, but hopefully our neighbours will stop attacking us, so we can concentrate on the new lands in the east.

Senator
Cataldo Barbarigo
 
The Gradenigo family wishes to you all a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
 
Also the Moro family join you in expressing the wish of a Happy Christmas. May our God always turn his benevolent eyes on Venice.