Vladimir talked about graphs. I personally can't make such graphs (we call them "histogram", no clue about the translating). If he can't too we'll have to make lists or such.
Fernando Torres said:Vladimir talked about graphs. I personally can't make such graphs (we call them "histogram", no clue about the translating). If he can't too we'll have to make lists or such.
Vladimir Pavlov said:You don't have MS Excel? =0.o=
OK, here're two of them... first is Org and second is Morale.
By the way, how do you include pictures in your post?..
I do but i can't do such graphics. Anyway i'll use photofiltre.Vladimir Pavlov said:You don't have MS Excel? =0.o=
OK, here're two of them... first is Org and second is Morale.
By the way, how do you include pictures in your post?..
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### Innovation tree : Germany, Soviet Union and China
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# Innovation 33 +10 org (currently 40)
# Achtung Panzer 36 +10 org (currently 50)
# Movements Doctrine 38 +5 org (currently 55)
# Schwerpunkt Doctrine 39 +5 org (currently 60)
# Blitzkrieg Doctrine 40 +10 org (currently 70)
# Big Spaces Doctrine 41 +10 org (currently 80)
# Desert Warfare 42 +5 org (currently 85)
# Elastic Defense Doctrine 43 +5 org (currently 90)
# Festung Europa Doctrine 44 +5 org (currently 95)
# Volksturm Doctrine 45 -10 org (currently 85)
# Modern Blitzkrieg Doctrine 47 +5 org (currently 100)
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### Soviet/China tree
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### Common
# Mass Warfare 33 -10 (currently 30)
# Human Wave 36 -10 (currently 20)
# Infantry Tank Support 37 +5 (currently 25)
# Broad Front 38 +5 (currently 30)
# Large Formation 39 +5 (currently 35)
### USSR
# Shock Armies 38 (Tuhachevskiy +10)
# Combined Arms 39 (Tuhachevskiy +10 currently 45)
# Lessons of Talvisota 40 +5 (currently 40 with traditional techs)
# Hedgehog Defence 41 +10 (currently 50)
# Mobile Reserve 42 +10 (currently 60)
# Mechanized Wave 43 +10 (currently 70)
# Breakthrough priority 44 +5 (currently 75)
# Mass Urban Assault 45 +5 (currently 80)
# Operational Manoeuvre Groups 47 +10 (currently 90/100 if you choose Tuhachevskiy)
### China
# Scorched Earth Doctrine 40
# Guerilla Warfare 41
# Magnetic Warfare 42
# Furious Response 43
# Regional Warfare 44
# Full-Scale Counter-Offensive 45
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### Traditionnal tech tree : France, UK, US, japan, Italy and other minors
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# Lessons of WWI 33
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### US Specific Tree
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# Material Assault 36
# Firepower Focusing 37
# Elastic defense 38
# Delay defense 39
# Mobile defense 40
# Fire and movement 41
# Integrated Support 42
# Combined Arms Warfare 43
# Mechanized Warfare 44
# Air-Land battle 45
# Rifles in Grass 47
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#### UK/France Tree
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# Human Assault 36
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#### UK specific Tree
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# Movements Warfare 37
# Cruiser Tanks Utilization 38
# Attrition war 39
# Home defense 40
# Desert warfare 41
# Motorized Warfare 42
# Minor invasions doctrine 43
# Continental Liberation doctrine 44
# Breakthrough Priority 45
# Combined Arms 47
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#### France/Japan/Italy/Minors Tree
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# Trenches Warfare 38
# War of Attrition 39
# Infantry Support Doctrine 40
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### France/Italy specific tree
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# Movements Warfare 41
# Desert Warfare 42
# Motorized Warfare 43
# Guerilla Warfare (Italy specific) 44
# Mechanized Warfare (France specific) 44
# Combined Arms 45
# Armored Warfare 47
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## Japan specific tree
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# Amphibious Warfare 41
# Jungle Warfare 42
# Guerilla Warfare 43
# Islands Defense 44
# Desperate Defensive Measures 45
# Small-Force Combined Infiltration 47
Fernando Torres said:Vladimir, i can't see your picture.
No, German has enough but SU has far too much. 60 in 1940 !!! This is damn too much. 40 would be better.Gen. Skobelev said:Hmm, 70 org for Germany in 1940 and USSR with 60? I think Germany should have more - and the high point should be more than 100 if for example UK will reach also 100. I'd put German org to even as high as 80 at the eve of war, then next jump would come just before Barbarossa. And the doctrines of 42-43 would not give much org, instead other bonuses (tactical withdrawal bonus, cheaper units, morale).
And wouldn't it be good to have alternative doctrine for volksturm? That -10 org seems like a very bad penalty.
But yeah, that shape of graph looks better. There should be IMO jumps at the org, it should not be just almost linear straight.
Fernando Torres said:Thats good now don't worry.
As i previously said, we'd better to make the german growth first. What do you think about my values ?
Movements Doctrine 38 +5 org (currently 55)
Schwerpunkt Doctrine 39 +5 org (currently 60)
Blitzkrieg Doctrine 40 +10 org (currently 70)
Fernando Torres said:No, no, this is completely unbalanced. The Allied must have less orga but Germany shall not have 90 or such in 1941.
With my suggestion germany has 80 by Barbarossa. The Soviets could have 50 at the same time and 60 for the UK/US.
Then Soviets and Allied should have 95 by 1945.
For the volksturm, it will give moral bonus and production bonus for infantries.
Vladimir Pavlov said:I'd like to swap Soviet bonus for 40' and 41' to better represent the consequences of the Winter War. But otherwise.. well, in terms of game balance it shall be OK.
IMO, each of Tuhachevsky's doctrines shall give 5 org more, than basic ones.
Fernando Torres said:I made another edit so with Tuhachevskiy you have 100 org by 47 and without its doctrine, you have 90. What di you think about it ?
Vladimir Pavlov said:OK.. now we have 100 for German modern blitz and Soviet OMG (with Tuch.), which fits "mechanized blitzkriegs" of Malinovsky and Meretzkov in Eastern Europe and Manchuria very well. IMO, that's appropriate.