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Brave Germans, let us not forget who we are and what our country is: A MONARCHY

Bismarck and the Kaiser led Germany from 1871 to become a world power, led us to victory in the Great War, and will continue to lead Germany to her rightful place under the sun! Will you turn your backs on the Fatherland and embrace the barbarians of the Left?

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THIS WILL BE GERMANY IF THE BOLSHEVIKS AND SOCIALISTS GAIN POWER!

Vote PCP in the coming Elections!
 
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Bismarck lead us to victory, and the Kaiser turned his back on Bismarck. This election is not about history however. This election is now. LCP for the wise and fair reign of a superior, and transcendant Germany!
 
Bismarck lead us to victory, and the Kaiser turned his back on Bismarck. This election is not about history however. This election is now. LCP for the wise and fair reign of a superior, and transcendant Germany!

Regardless, we are the Party that supports the Kaiser in-full and we are an Empire lead by the Kaiser. And nothing beats getting back to the Good old days! :cool:
 
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LCP is good. Unfortunately, it is only second best. ;)

The Prussian Conservative Party will carry on the work of Bismarck, to make Germany great and prosporous!
 
The poor understanding is on your side. That may be the reason why you support the Syndicalists. Let me explain:
Let's say merchant A buys item L for 5 Reichsmark and sells it for 10 thus making a profit of 5 Reichsmark. But now a new merchant named B offers the worker to buy item L for 6 Reichsmark and will sell it for 10 for a profit of only 4. Who will the worker sell his item to? Merchant A for 5 Reichsmark or merchant B for 6? Of course the one paying him more. Now merchant B may be making less profit than merchant A before, but now he is making a profit instead of A, so he has got a reason to do this, because he wants to increase his personal wealth.
The other way works exactly like that: If you have merchant C offering to sell his product at 9 Reichsmark and merchant D offering to sell at 10 RM, who will people be buying from? The reason the merchants will do this is exactly the same as above: Personal gain.
No, the poor understanding is most definitely on your side.

You still have not explained why any merchant would pay above the equilibrium price for the farmer's wares, without increasing his own price. Merchants do not care for the farmer's welfare; they care only about getting the highest amount of products for the lowest price. There is simply no reason why any merchant would pay more for his wares than his competitor.

Oh yes, because a german unification without incorporating the german nations into the Reich would totally be a unification :eek:
Oh yes, because when the Roman Empire invaded Gaul, they were obviously "unifying" the Gallic tribes, not "conquering" them.

Maybe you should blame individual kings or persons instead of noncorporeal identities. There is no Prussia that can actually do anything. There may be a Prussian king or a chancellor but you can't just blame a whole nation for a choice one person made.
Yet these are there people who the Prussian Conservative Party eulogises and praises. Bismarck is a 'hero', apparantly, not a militaristic Machiavellian back-stabber. The Prussians claim it was the Kaiser that who is responsible for Germany's glory, when history has shown that it was the monarchs who were the greatest obstacle to any form of German unification.

The same logic is applied if you condemn all leftist movements by saying that one leading person of one movement is an extremist.
Which has been done, repeatedly, throughout this discussion.

I fail to see the relevance of this statement in response to me saying that people are motivated by greed if they are well fed and clothed. Can't you rebuke my argument?
I already have, several times, but perhaps if I use a lovely colourful font you may be able to understand:

The capitalists purport that people are motivated by self-interest.
Labour provides society with goods and services.
Therefore, it is in the interests of the people to work.


So even if we are to follow the egoism of capitalism, our social model is still enabled.

In that logic you can't compare the Army of Napoleon and the Prussian army of that time because from modern view they are equally inflexible and archaic.
Which was why I was directly comparing the Armed Forces of Germany and France in that time period.

I AM talking of your policies of nationalization and stripping the nobility of their rights. If you think that these measures will NOT cause a reaction from said groups you are living in a dream world.
And so you would condemn the government instead of those who fail to abide by the laws of a democratically-elected government?

Again, if the LCP wins the election and implements their policies, causing the Iron Fist Party to respond with an uprising, you say that your sympathies would lie with the Fascists, since the former had 'antagonised' them with their policies?

For the third time: self-serving and fallacious.

But even the french revolutionaries had moderates and extremists, when the latter gained power they started the Reign of Terror. This is why I'm calling for moderation and not extremism.
And do you think that "moderation" would have allowed the French Revolution to be successful?

Would you have sat down with the French King and have a jovial conversation about how you wanted to strip him of all his power, before begging for him to say yes?

Would you have convened a meeting to discuss what was to be done, stretching on for months on end as you endlessly debated every avenue?

If so, it would be you - not the monarchy - who would have ended up under a guillotine. Your supporters would be massacred by the Army. Your party would be forcefully disbanded. Your revolution would be crushed.

It was not the "moderates" who stormed the Bastille. It was the revolutionaries; those willing to fight and die for freedom, equality and liberty. Without the revolutionaries, there would have been no revolution and by extension, there would be no Germany and there would be no liberalism or democracy.

Just to say, we'd never [revolt against the government] unless the Kaiser willed it.
And behold, as the Fascists clearly display their contempt for democracy.
 
Regardless, we are the Party that supports the Kaiser in-full and we are an Empire lead by the Kaiser. And nothing beats getting back to the Good old days!

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The "Good Old Days"

Vote for change.

Vote UNITED GERMAN SOCIALIST ALLIANCE.

Ein Welt unter sozialismus!

 
No, the poor understanding is most definitely on your side.

You still have not explained why any merchant would pay above the equilibrium price for the farmer's wares, without increasing his own price. Merchants do not care for the farmer's welfare; they care only about getting the highest amount of products for the lowest price. There is simply no reason why any merchant would pay more for his wares than his competitor.
THAT should be easy to understand, considering that the supply of a product is limited and not infinite. If there was an infinite supply of products it would make no sense to pay higher prices, but since the amount that you can buy is limited you have to pay more than your competitors to give the worker a incentive to sell to you instead to your competitors. And it should be obvious that a merchant that sells 10.000 products will make more money than a merchant that sells 100 products, even if the profit of one unit is lower.

Oh yes, because when the Roman Empire invaded Gaul, they were obviously "unifying" the Gallic tribes, not "conquering" them.
Oh right, I forgot that the german people were just tribes that did not want to be unified so they had to be forced to unification. Your analogy sucks.

Yet these are there people who the Prussian Conservative Party eulogises and praises. Bismarck is a 'hero', apparantly, not a militaristic Machiavellian back-stabber. The Prussians claim it was the Kaiser that who is responsible for Germany's glory, when history has shown that it was the monarchs who were the greatest obstacle to any form of German unification.
And of course, since I'm a member of the PCP this argument is totally valid. Except for the fact that I'm not.

Which has been done, repeatedly, throughout this discussion.
Quote me where I did this. I was referring to your policies iirc.

I already have, several times, but perhaps if I use a lovely colourful font you may be able to understand:

The capitalists purport that people are motivated by self-interest.
Labour provides society with goods and services.
Therefore, it is in the interests of the people to work.

So even if we are to follow the egoism of capitalism, our social model is still enabled.
No, because in your social model they are not working for themselves but for everyone. They get the same treatment as everyone else, so there is no reason to excel or for innovation since they will receive no better position than the others as they will always get the same as them.

Which was why I was directly comparing the Armed Forces of Germany and France in that time period.
Last time you said that, and I quote you:
Syriana; said:
I say that claiming our Armed Forces during the Weltkrieg were comparatively better than that of our enemies is a moot point
So which one do you actually do? Did you compare or did you say that the comparison is moot?

And so you would condemn the government instead of those who fail to abide by the laws of a democratically-elected government?

Again, if the LCP wins the election and implements their policies, causing the Iron Fist Party to respond with an uprising, you say that your sympathies would lie with the Fascists, since the former had 'antagonised' them with their policies?
For the third time: self-serving and fallacious.
This is what moderation is all about: Progress without revolution or civil war. A moderate government can and has to make compromises, but with your party programme I doubt that there will be room to compromise as your programme calls for stripping the nobility and the upper class of their wealth, where would you be able to compromise with them?

And do you think that "moderation" would have allowed the French Revolution to be successful?

Would you have sat down with the French King and have a jovial conversation about how you wanted to strip him of all his power, before begging for him to say yes?

Would you have convened a meeting to discuss what was to be done, stretching on for months on end as you endlessly debated every avenue?

If so, it would be you - not the monarchy - who would have ended up under a guillotine. Your supporters would be massacred by the Army. Your party would be forcefully disbanded. Your revolution would be crushed.

It was not the "moderates" who stormed the Bastille. It was the revolutionaries; those willing to fight and die for freedom, equality and liberty. Without the revolutionaries, there would have been no revolution and by extension, there would be no Germany and there would be no liberalism or democracy.
I was saying that not all parts of the Revolution were extremistic, there were moderate parts within the revolution and the revolution turned ugly when the extremistic parts gained power leading to the beheading of even their fellow revolutionaries. You are implying that moderation is only about sitting down and talking since moderates don't have the spine to do anything, but thats not true, we believe that there are things worth fighting for, like liberty and democracy. But we also know to avoid senseless bloodshed if there is a peaceful way to achieve the same goal even though it might take longer. What extremists on both sides are calling for usually results in bloodshed like in the aftermath of the French revolution when the Jacobines started their reign of terror. That is why I oppose your party and the fascists as well. Moderation is the only way to avoid bringing bloodshed and ruin to Germany.
 
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THAT should be easy to understand, considering that the supply of a product is limited and not infinite. If there was an infinite supply of products it would make no sense to pay higher prices, but since the amount that you can buy is limited you have to pay more than your competitors to give the worker a incentive to sell to you instead to your competitors.
Your competitor will then be forced to pay more, and so on and so forth, thus creating a supply war with no benefit for either party, as they will be receiving less and less profit.

Your model makes no economic sense.

And it should be obvious that a merchant that sells 10.000 products will make more money than a merchant that sells 100 products, even if the profit of one unit is lower.
Not if the latter sells 100 products for 1000 Marks and the former sells 10'000 products for 1 Mark.

Honestly, for a capitalist, you seem to have a rather feeble grasp of economics.

Oh right, I forgot that the german people were just tribes that did not want to be unified so they had to be forced to unification. Your analogy sucks.
Why did Bismarck have to bribe the German Kings to present King William I of Prussia with the title of German Emperor?

Perhaps it is because the German states recognised that the so-called "Iron Chancellor" was not creating a unified German state - he was simply incorporating them into an extension of Prussia.

And of course, since I'm a member of the PCP this argument is totally valid. Except for the fact that I'm not.
Why would your membership - or lack thereof - affect the validity of the argument?

The point still stands.

Quote me where I did this. I was referring to your policies iirc.
I was referring to this thread in general.

No, because in your social model they are not working for themselves but for everyone. They get the same treatment as everyone else, so there is no reason to excel or for innovation since they will receive no better position than the others as they will always get the same as them.
People are inherently ambitious and society will recognise their efforts; natural selection in practice.

So which one do you actually do? Did you compare or did you say that the comparison is moot?
I think the answer is quite evident: "I say that claiming our Armed Forces during the Weltkrieg were comparatively better than that of our enemies is a moot point".

Really, is your grasp of language as feeble as your grasp of economics?

This is what moderation is all about: Progress without revolution or civil war.
You avoid the question:

"Again, if the LCP wins the election and implements their policies, causing the Iron Fist Party to respond with an uprising, you say that your sympathies would lie with the Fascists, since the former had 'antagonised' them with their policies?"

I was saying that not all parts of the Revolution were extremistic, there were moderate parts within the revolution and the revolution turned ugly when the extremistic parts gained power leading to the beheading of even their fellow revolutionaries.
Again, without the so-called extremists, there would be no revolution.

We would all be living under autocratic monarchs, with no parliament, no rights, no constitution and no liberalism.

You are implying that moderation is only about sitting down and talking since moderates don't have the spine to do anything, but thats not true, we believe that there are things worth fighting for, like liberty and democracy. But we also know to avoid senseless bloodshed if there is a peaceful way to achieve the same goal even though it might take longer.
You cannot fight without bloodshed; it is implied.

You alleged moderates are weak-willed, self-righteous cowards, so busy cavorting on your moral high horse that you have little time to come down into reality.
 
So you claim that, under the UGSA, there would be no freedom of thought and we would all be forced to tow the party line.

You then criticise me for not forcing the ABNB to change its military doctrine to mirror mine.

I believe there is a word for this; hypocrisy.

I'll borrow your line again: wanton strawman argument.

That's not the point I made, and you know it. YOU criticized us for holding the Alexists in higher regard than your affiliated parties. Yet, when I point out that you are allied with a party, the same party you also belong to as the second in command in violation of Reichstag party rules, that uses the same Weltkrieg tactics you despise, I'm a hypocrite?

Are you sure you aren't looking in the mirror and seeing yourself? I'm using the exact same logical line you are. PCP = evils for preferring Iron Fist over Bolshevism. Therefore, your party = evil for allying with people using Weltkrieg tactics you hate.
 
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