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bugwar: Must have been someone from north of the Mason-Dixon line.

not necessarily, i live in Florida and meet people every day who are browbeaten into the politically correct mumbo jumbo ! ! :eek:

i may be a Democrat, but i am an American (and, Christian) Democrat: not a commie Democrat, like our not-born-in-America not-President, and those of his ilk ! !

bugwar: ...It's a scary thing, having your mind stuck in the politically correct mob dogma.

to borrow a phrase from the 60's, right on ! ! :cool:
 
i may be a Democrat, but i am an American (and, Christian) Democrat: not a commie Democrat, like our not-born-in-America not-President, and those of his ilk ! !
I wasn't aware that the former 50th state of the US of A had chosen to seperate from the continent and fly it's own flag.

I also am still puzzled how something like a (very) basic healthcare system for everyone would relate to communism but apparently not to christianity. Even more puzzling that christians of all people would loudly oppose their elected president, a man who swore the oath of office with the inofficial addition "so help me god."
 
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Let the flames begin!

. . . not necessarily, i live in Florida and meet people every day who are browbeaten into the politically correct mumbo jumbo ! ! :eek:

Yea, you're right. It ain't only people up North that turn off their brains to enjoy groupthink. I just enjoy tweaking Yankees when I can. :p

On a seperate note, I'm still trying to figure out how Uriah gets the data on Allied aircraft losses, I don't see any messages to that effect when I have air combats.
 
Yes I am keen: this was written before 6AM on Christmas Day: I am the only one up: my daughters no longer get up at 4AM to see if Santa has been. Presents piled under the tree, but no peeking until mass opening frenzy after breakfast. Our job this year: cook huge pork roast and buy ice. For all of you in the chilly northern hemisphere, weather forecast here is 38 degrees Centigrade. So many cold drinks required.


Pretty awesome update, the Luftwaffe and the KM did a great job ! :D
Merry Christmas and Happy New year Uriah.

Thanks Karaiskandar: Joyeux Noel and bonne annee! (Hope that is right: my French is worse than my German)

Another great update, with details on a useful naval engagement. Gibraltar seems certain to fall quickly and that will make the UK's job much harder. Your road to Barbarossa seems clear.

Thanks for this Christmas update. Nobody will mind you playing some other games but we are keen to see how the campaign in Russia will go. As an aside, it was my memories of playing Avalon Hill's Russian Campaign that made the purchase of HOI a necessity. I only play with counters, using military symbols, as this brings back the memories of many fine gaming sessions.

Have a great Christmas!

Thanks shepherd352: I hope you and your fellow 351 (at least) shepherds are watching your flocks by night at this time of year!

I must admit although I like the graphics I rarely use figures: the counters seem more natural to me. Probably from staring at millions of them over the years. My wife always wondered why my friends and I spent so much time looking at tiny bits of cardboard until someone told her there were pictures of naked women on the other side.

Gibraltar is too small to have that many units fighting for it...

There are less and less every day.

Enewald: Gibraltar is too small to have that many units fighting for it...

i thought that Uriah said that he solved that problem ! ! ;)

Merry Christmas ALL ! ! :cool:

All is under control: though as you will see I had to "solve" a Brtish fleet in the harbour

Must have been someone from north of the Mason-Dixon line. It's a scary thing, having your mind stuck in the politically correct mob dogma.

My informant was from Washington DC - and he was more passing information, rather than an opinion. As a side note, he is twenty and just arrived in Australia, where the drinking age is 18. He was with my daughter and her friends, who are all 20+, but have been able to drink (legally) for 2 years. Unfortunately he tried to keep up with them. I shall say no more, other than you cannot put an old head on young shoulders. Christmas morning may be little bright and painful for him.

I hadn't the foggiest. :)

I hope that it was funny though, I'd hate to accidently insult the guy writing this
enjoyable game commentary. :D

How do I put this delicately: in Australia "rooting" is a term used to describe the physical demonstration of love between two people, it is what animals do in season, it is apparently the only thing football players ever thnk about, other than contract negotiations.

bugwar: Must have been someone from north of the Mason-Dixon line.

not necessarily, i live in Florida and meet people every day who are browbeaten into the politically correct mumbo jumbo ! ! :eek:

i may be a Democrat, but i am an American (and, Christian) Democrat: not a commie Democrat, like our not-born-in-America not-President, and those of his ilk ! !

bugwar: ...It's a scary thing, having your mind stuck in the politically correct mob dogma.

to borrow a phrase from the 60's, right on ! ! :cool:

I wasn't aware that the former 50th state of the US of A had chosen to seperate from the continent and fly it's own flag.

I also am still puzzled how something like a (very) basic healthcare system for everyone would relate to communism but apparently not to christianity. Even more puzzling that christians of all people would loudly oppose their elected president, a man who swore the oath of office with the inofficial addition "so help me god."


I think that I regret my little jab at political correctness:if we don't get back on track I can see a moderator jumping in. These things can flame quickly.

Remember it is Christmas: be nice!!! And let's keep personal opinions just that.


Yea, you're right. It ain't only people up North that turn off their brains to enjoy groupthink. I just enjoy tweaking Yankees when I can. :p

On a seperate note, I'm still trying to figure out how Uriah gets the data on Allied aircraft losses, I don't see any messages to that effect when I have air combats.

When an air combat starts I note the strength of all the units involved. (I realise that a few aircraft are already dead, but it as close as I can get). When the unit appears again (which they often do), I can see how much reduced they are. Simple, but time consuming. On rare occasions I track the combat hour by hour to see how it is going.

It is more complex in Strat Bombing raids, as the fixed AA kills a few, but I generally ignore that.

It is fairly easy as I pretty much play hour by hour, but I would not recommend it to anyone. Having said that, I do it in normal play when I want to see how tech increases etc impact combat.

Silence you silly yanks, or the Wehrmacht comes and silence thee! :p

Hopefully now all settled, though I would have threatened the 3rd Elf Helper Army, led by the veteran General St Nicholas, and supported by the 1st Tactical Flying Reindeer Squadron. (Only one aircraft, but it has an incredible payload).


The Anonymous Clerk has told me to pass on this message from Berlin 1940:

Frohliche Weihnachten!!! Und ein gutes neues Jahr!!

(Why is Christmas plural in Germany? My never ending struggles with the language - though please note I got the adjective endings correct!)
 
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Enewald: Silence you silly yanks, or the Wehrmacht comes and silence thee! :p

oh goody, i get to try out my shiny new pea-shooter ! ! :D

did i say anything about armor piercing ? ? didn't think so...
 
Heh!

As a side note, he is twenty and just arrived in Australia, where the drinking age is 18. He was with my daughter and her friends, who are all 20+, but have been able to drink (legally) for 2 years. Unfortunately he tried to keep up with them. I shall say no more, other than you cannot put an old head on young shoulders.

Ha, Ha! Put an old head on young ... funny. It is probably a good thing too, otherwise
the species would turn into a bunch of dowderheads, never trying to stretch their limits. :p


How do I put this delicately: in Australia "rooting" is a term used to describe the physical demonstration of love between two people, it is what animals do in season, it is apparently the only thing football players ever thnk about, other than contract negotiations.


ARRG! :eek:o I fearded as much, though in America the term is 'rutting', I believe.


When an air combat starts I note the strength of all the units involved. (I realise that a few aircraft are already dead, but it as close as I can get). When the unit appears again (which they often do), I can see how much reduced they are. Simple, but time consuming. On rare occasions I track the combat hour by hour to see how it is going.

It is more complex in Strat Bombing raids, as the fixed AA kills a few, but I generally ignore that.

It is fairly easy as I pretty much play hour by hour, but I would not recommend it to anyone. Having said that, I do it in normal play when I want to see how tech increases etc impact combat.

Such dedication to the art. :D
 
(Why is Christmas plural in Germany? My never ending struggles with the language - though please note I got the adjective endings correct!)

Why enjoy Christmas on one day, when you can have a long vacation to enjoy many Christmas-days?
Just like it is not holiday, but holidays.
 
The Anonymous Clerk has told me to pass on this message from Berlin 1940:

Frohliche Weihnachten!!! Und ein gutes neues Jahr!!

(Why is Christmas plural in Germany? My never ending struggles with the language - though please note I got the adjective endings correct!)

And a Merry Christmas to you too. :)

Interesting question about the use of the plural. I would guess that it is one of those cases where we silly Germans tried to apply logic to our language (and just made it more complicated as a result. When will we ever learn...). Since Weihnacht means something like Holy Night but the holiday actually lasts longer than just one day, naturally the whole thing is called Holy Nights instead.
 
Actually, there is just one holy night, so it really should be called Weihnacht. Technically speaking, that wish would include all christmas evenings, not only the one at hand. Easter is also such a case; the greeting is frohe Ostern, the equivalent in english would be happy easters.

It's one of those blessing when you grow up with a language, you just don't ask too many questions about then why, you are happy just using it ;)
 
As a fan of using the AI, I thought I should raise some concerns over its limitations as Uriah prepares for Barbarossa.

There seems to be a bug with the way the AI attacks accross allied borders. Every time I have had an AI Army positioned to attack accross an allied border, it tries to move most of its forces to attack accross my border to the objective. Uriah has dramatically rediced the impact of this, by invading Romania but, subject to his war plans, it might affect him in Finland and Hungary.

The AI does not handle its units well in very low supply. In my invasions of Russia, I have withdrawn my Panzer Armies (to just West of Berlin), when supply gets short. Nevertheless, I was still suffering from supply dificulties and was not going to reach Stalingrad in the first campaign season. I adjusted my AI to Defensive stance but they continued to advance (when supply was available). As I was getting no supply in the South, this just increased my supply difficulties. To correct this, I removed AI control and withdrew all units to a Winter defence line (I think this was part of the original plan but was ignored when quick victory seemed within reach). I have reached December 1941, with supply manageable (I use air supply to help divisions that have no supply and are losing org). When the campaign season starts, I will move my upgraded panzers to the front and reactivate the AI.

I keep the SS and specialists (Marines and Paratroops) under my control. I used the marines to do landings in the Baltic, to help Army Group North, and later to reduce pockets or attack key defended localities(which the AI sometimes handles poorly). I tried to use the SS (at Corps strength) to assist break-through and encirclements. I tend to use my paratroops as an air-mobile strategic reserve. Sometimes this means they don't get much action. I only do air assaults when I can guarantee air superiority. I think Uriah is intending a similar approach.

As we have seen in the early campaigns, the AI can be very frustrating but this is also very rewarding. History is full of commanders who don't follow orders (for good and bad) and it is completely unrealistic that every division will adjust its actions with an intimate understanding of the entire Theatre. Unfortunately, the AI will send units off on tasks far away and sometimes leave them idle. It will sometimes show no urgency when a break-through seems likely but it will often maintain a high pace of action. For all these faults it is more realistic than personal control.
 
Agreed on the AI part. I've tried to use it, on all levels with varying targets and units. Some thoughts:

- The AI does not seem to be able to handle a situation where it does have more units than it needs. It then covers what it needs to cover with units and starts piling the surplus troops in one spot. I wouldn't mind if the surplus forces would be evenly distributed (there is no such thing as too much force available) or the AI reporting that it has surplus troops (it does indicate a lack of troops too, why not a surplus?).
- The AI does also not seem to be able to handle the different unit types accordingly. All ground units except garrison units are handled the same way. I've had theatres with inactive fronts (eg after bitter peace event with Russia) and gave them plenty of garrisons and a few regular infantry units. The garrisons were piled somewhere after covering the important parts, the regulars were sent to "cover" the German-Russian border. If in lack of other troops, the garrisons should be sent to the border as well.
- AI handling of air operations does not seem to be good. I've had strategic bombings taking place while there were idle, fully rested sqadrons available. Haven't figured out why this happens. Same for CAS and TACs when assigned to army or corps level to support specific operations. For this case, the associated squadrons should check if one if the units in their organisational unit (corps, army etc) is involved in combat (be it attack, defense, being bombed...) and prioritise these units before supporting other units across the front.
- AI handling of attached units: The AI seems to be fond of sending the units anywhere if they can only get out of reach of their next higher HQ unit. This is somewhat counterproductive. The AI needs to try to keep it's units within command range, otherwise the whole command chain thing only consumes valuable supplies and officers while being basically cosmetic. Theatres keep their units within their operational areas, but they seem to be the only ones.

If we could delete surplus theatres, that would not be that much of a problem, but for some reason unknown to me, we can't. This makes defining theatre commands with rather small operational areas quite a hassle as one can just not get rid of them if things change.

With this experience, I am afraid that Uriah's Barbarossa will spread out into the vast, very poor infrastructure of Russia and the AI being unable to cope with this operation.
 
If we could delete surplus theatres, that would not be that much of a problem, but for some reason unknown to me, we can't. This makes defining theatre commands with rather small operational areas quite a hassle as one can just not get rid of them if things change.

You can (or at least I have) - the trick is to fully absorb a theatre's provinces into another theatre, then disband the one that is now obsolete. If you disband it before it has lost all its notional area then it'll re-appear.

Another AI problem, is the way it handles poor supply. Its probably much quicker than a player to spot where a unit has marginal supply and thus can attack. This is good and bad, the good is its a useful way to maximise activity on a supply-poor sector, the bad is that you can get a number of near random attacks with units 45% out of supply (& who go fully out of supply quite quickly), rather than letting a critical mass come back into supply.
 
You can (or at least I have) - the trick is to fully absorb a theatre's provinces into another theatre, then disband the one that is now obsolete. If you disband it before it has lost all its notional area then it'll re-appear.
Tried that, the disband option is grayed out in my game.

Another AI problem, is the way it handles poor supply. Its probably much quicker than a player to spot where a unit has marginal supply and thus can attack. This is good and bad, the good is its a useful way to maximise activity on a supply-poor sector, the bad is that you can get a number of near random attacks with units 45% out of supply (& who go fully out of supply quite quickly), rather than letting a critical mass come back into supply.

Agreed, although it seems questionable whether or not the AI is able to 'plan' that much. It occasionally launches supporting attacks, which is good, but it does not stop them once the reason for launching them in the first place is not there any more. So while you may handsomely win in one province, the AI sends the men to be slaugthered in another one.
Anti Partisan operations also only work if the AI in question is not a frontline AI, as it will inevitably send all forces fighting the regular enemies while completely disregarding it's rear.
 
Tried that, the disband option is grayed out in my game.

You are absolutely right, must have made this change with the 2.03c patch. Annoying as it was a good trick to raise and destroy theatres as needed. I've put in a bug report to see if they actually meant to do this - I've just tested having removed all units & provinces from the HQ and taken out its commander.
 
I've been adding up a few numbers lately. Numbers reflect lowest estimate for enemy forces and highest estimate for own forces.

Fall Weiss (Operations in Poland)
Losses:
--- Own: 48.927
------ losses in ground battles: 47.631
------ losses due to air attacks: 1.296

--- Polish: 138.595
------ losses in ground battles: 76.767
------ losses due to air attacks: 61.828


Fall Rache (Operations against Denmark)
Losses:
--- Own: 7.768
------ losses in ground battles: 7.768
------ losses due to air attacks: nil

--- Danish: 17.632
------ losses in ground battles: 14.349
------ losses due to air attacks: 3.283

The historically mobilized Danish forces (Zealand and Jutland divisions plus some minor formations) numbered some 14,500

Fall Gelb (until transition to 1.4b)
Losses:
--- Own:64.221
------ losses in ground battles: 62.725
------ losses due to air attacks: 1.496

--- Western Allies (France, Britain, Belgium, Netherlands, Luxembourg): 168.287
------ losses in ground battles: 75.914
------ losses due to air attacks: 92.373


Operations conducted before the 1.3 conspiracy was uncovered (and the game was transitioned to 1.4 beta, post #863)
 
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With this experience, I am afraid that Uriah's Barbarossa will spread out into the vast, very poor infrastructure of Russia and the AI being unable to cope with this operation.

In my last two games I found the AI to be very good at taking ground, using every unit and covering flanks in Russia when controlled at the army level (which is where Uriah delegates in his game). It (the AI) still doesn't seem to know the difference between a panzer and a grenadier, but at least there's no crazy stacking, SRs to Leipzig, or units needed to attack Archangelsk being brought in from Sevastopol. As long as Uriah has enough troops and tech everything should go swimmingly.

edit: I would add that for anti-partisan duties nothing beats 2 transports with 4 para division (@Moskva and Stalingrad) to cover the entire country. The border I hold with a line of 3inf/1 art at lvl 10 fort/100 infra, everything else going back to Germany to be used in further glorious conquest.

edit2: By sufficient forces I mean approx 120 divisions. I usually use 70 infantry divs w/art, 5 mtn div w/eng, 5 mar div w eng, 20 pz div and 20 mot div w/spart. Supporting this would be 9 or 12 int, 4 fighters, 12 TAC, 10 CAS, and 2 transports with 4 divs of paras. Supply stays pretty good and the only holdup is usually while clearing the south end of the line of all the forces deploying up from Bessarabia.
 
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